General Chat 2019/20

extra gravy

The wonderfish wrote: »

Any idea if Guendozi is a likely starter for Arsenal? Could be a real value at 4.5m if he kicks on from last yr

He'll probably start some games when rotation kicks in but the first choice pairing is likely to be Xhaka/Torreira. They're also rumoured to be signing Ceballos on from RM, he's a CM but we'll have to wait and see what formation Emery starts the season with.

Shedite27

Really think I'm gonna end up squeezing Kane into the starting XI.
Downgrading Laporte/Sterling/Siggy to Zincheko/DeBruyne/Perez gets me to upgrade Jota to Kane.

Had a look at Aguero last night too. Basically you've Aguero + 6.5m or Sterling +6.5 striker. It's amazing how close the 6.5 mids and 6.5 forwards ended up last year (a lot of these changed position)

6.5m Mids
Pérez 141
Redmond 137
Townsend 135
Doucouré 124
Brooks 123

6.5m Defs
King 141
Jota 139
Deulofeu 133
Wood 131
Murray 129

Perez seems the big winner, seeing as he now is a mid, in a higher scoring team.

Also reiterates the value in the 6.5m defender range - all of these beat any of the mids/fwds last year
van Dijk 208
Laporte 177
David Luiz 164
Alonso 161
Azpilicueta 158
Digne 158
Walker 150
Pereira 146
Doherty 144

manual_man

Some good stats, except a 6.5 def is the equivalent of a 7.0 mid or fwd (because of 4.0 def bench fodder as opposed to 4.5)

Shedite27

manual_man wrote: »

Some good stats, except a 6.5 def is the equivalent of a 7.0 mid or fwd (because of 4.0 def bench fodder as opposed to 4.5)

Even subscribing to that theory there's still no 7m forwards getting on that list.

Also, I'll have a 4m Def fodder and a 4.5m Def/Mid fodder regardless which was I go.

Scorpion Sting

It looks like Mané is gonna be back earlier than expected.

Liverpool have confirmed Sadio Mané will return to the club on August 5, after the Community Shield final against Manchester City.

Klopp: "Sadio is in good shape. He is now on holiday, not the longest one. He will be back on August 5, after the Man City game. That means he had 2 weeks. There is 4 or 5 days to prepare for Norwich, 10 days for Chelsea [UEFA Super Cup]."

alchemist33

From reddit, a playlist for fpl managers...

manual_man

Shedite27 wrote: »

Even subscribing to that theory there's still no 7m forwards getting on that list.

Also, I'll have a 4m Def fodder and a 4.5m Def/Mid fodder regardless which was I go.

But there is £6.5m forwards(and Perez/Tielemans in midfield) worth considering as opposed to 6m defenders. I'm not arguing against a strong defense, in fact i put forward the idea of a 5 man defense early on. I'd go so far as to say 2 of VVD/TAA/Robertson + Laporte is almost a must starting out. It's after that where you have genuine dilemmas between defenders and mids/forwards.

Shedite27

manual_man wrote: »

But there is £6.5m forwards(and Perez/Tielemans in midfield) worth considering as opposed to 6m defenders. I'm not arguing against a strong defense, in fact i put forward the idea of a 5 man defense early on. I'd go so far as to say 2 of VVD/TAA/Robertson + Laporte is almost a must starting out. It's after that where you have genuine dilemmas between defenders and mids/forwards.

I think my problem last year was I had Richarlison, Maddison and Barkley (don't ask) all at the same price. Once one of them stops firing, if there's nobody else at that price, you need to make 2 changes to change. I can see a lot of people getting "stuck" at the 6.5m zone this year. If a Son or Vardy goes nuts it'll be a lot of changes to fit them in.

manual_man

Shedite27 wrote: »

I think my problem last year was I had Richarlison, Maddison and Barkley (don't ask) all at the same price. Once one of them stops firing, if there's nobody else at that price, you need to make 2 changes to change. I can see a lot of people getting "stuck" at the 6.5m zone this year. If a Son or Vardy goes nuts it'll be a lot of changes to fit them in.

Well I guess that's where having Salah and Sterling means you have to have some cheaper attackers(assuming you have a few premium defenders). 2 transfers isn't the biggest deal though. You just don't want to be doing it all the time

extra gravy

Abraham and Batshauyi come in at 7m...

Scorpion Sting

extra gravy wrote: »

Abraham and Batshauyi come in at 7m...

Thank feck they finally added them. Fairly ridiculous they weren’t added until now.

km79

Zouma 5ml

manual_man

Mount 6m

el Fenomeno

Any sign of Dean Henderson?

Scorpion Sting

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Any sign of Dean Henderson?

He’s still with Man United so if that rumoured move to Sheffield United goes through he’ll be added and probably at 4.5.

ThunbergsAreGo

It's sort of ridiculous they are waiting for that before pricing him

dsmythy

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Any sign of Dean Henderson?

Waiting for him myself hoping for a magical 4.0 starter. Already three keepers in the game for United I doubt he'll be added until he moves or appears on the bench.

sheroman01

Palace's team last Friday, lost 1-0 to Forest. On paper, seems to be close to their starting 11, besides keeper possibly. 4m Kelly plays as well as 6m Benteke.

Hennessey, Van Aanholt, Dann, Kelly, Ward, Meyer, Milivojevic, McArthur, Townsend, Schlupp, Benteke.

Scorpion Sting

Newcastle have signed highly-rated Brazilian striker Joelinton. He could be a good pick-up later in the season when I expect Bruce to have either been sacked or resigned.

extra gravy

km79 wrote: »

Zouma 5ml

Will be watching him very closely. Could be a short term bargain until Rüdiger is back fit.

Pete_Cavan

extra gravy wrote: »

Abraham and Batshauyi come in at 7m...

Hmmm probably priced right but I was hoping for a 6 or 6.5 for Abraham. I guess neither are really an option until one becomes nailed on which could take a while as Lamps will probably want to allow both a chance to stake their claim.

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https://twitter.com/roneildinho/status/1153574960130080768?s=19


Thought this was an excellent read.

2nd Row Donkey

extra gravy wrote:

Thought this was an excellent read.

I just pictured Sheldon from the big bang theory rolling a dice to make basic decisions.

ThunbergsAreGo

Cant help feel that this big at the back is a bit of a trap this early in the season.

Very very hard to jump off to a premium forward/mid

km79

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/roneildinho/status/1153574960130080768?s=19


Thought this was an excellent read.

Very interesting
http://twitter.com/roneildinho/status/1153574966803218433

Klopporama has always said this
Doesn’t want a strong bench as it’s only a headache
It’s food for thought no doubt
I’ll be going with one starting keeper anyway
It’s juts a question of whether it’s a 4.5 or 5.5
Not sure I can afford the extra million

Pete_Cavan

I don't consider having a couple of decent playing options on the bench a headache. I enjoy picking my starting team each week, although perhaps I am alone in that. I take comfort in knowing that I have a decent 4.5 defender who can do a job. I generally go with 3 at the back so he can either come in for a defender or go to 4 at the back depending on fixtures, injuries, suspensions, etc. The 0.5 is worth it for the flexibility imo.

I also don't get the set and forget keeper. 2 x 4.5 = 9 with the benefit of (most) being able to avoid the big teams. Set and forget means you spend more on keepers or you go with a 5 starting keeper, none of whom I'd want to be relying on 100%. You are also only an injury away from having to use a transfer just to be able to field a playing keeper. There is always great value to be had in the 4.5 keepers, it's just hard to know who they are at the start of the season.

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Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I don't consider having a couple of decent playing options on the bench a headache. I enjoy picking my starting team each week, although perhaps I am alone in that. I take comfort in knowing that I have a decent 4.5 defender who can do a job. I generally go with 3 at the back so he can either come in for a defender or go to 4 at the back depending on fixtures, injuries, suspensions, etc. The 0.5 is worth it for the flexibility imo.

I also don't get the set and forget keeper. 2 x 4.5 = 9 with the benefit of (most) being able to avoid the big teams. Set and forget means you spend more on keepers or you go with a 5 starting keeper, none of whom I'd want to be relying on 100%. You are also only an injury away from having to use a transfer just to be able to field a playing keeper. There is always great value to be had in the 4.5 keepers, it's just hard to know who they are at the start of the season.

I don't think he's saying don't have a decent bench. By all means have a 4.5m defender who came come in in case of injury/suspension just not someone you'd play by choice each week.

The problem with rotating gks is that the seemingly good fixture doesn't always turn out that way. You play the one with the good fixture, he gets two points. The one you bench goes to Old Trafford, keeps an unlikely clean sheet, gets a load of save points and ends up with a 12 pointer. That's the worse case scenario but it's happened me before and has caused frustration and that may have impacted my decisions after that. Went with a set and forget last season and I was much happier with it.

km79

extra gravy wrote: »

I don't think he's saying don't have a decent bench. By all means have a 4.5m defender who came come in in case of injury/suspension just not someone you'd play by choice each week.

The problem with rotating gks is that the seemingly good fixture doesn't always turn out that way. You play the one with the good fixture, he gets two points. The one you bench goes to Old Trafford, keeps an unlikely clean sheet, gets a load of save points and ends up with a 12 pointer. That's the worse case scenario but it's happened me before and has caused frustration and that may have impacted my decisions after that. Went with a set and forget last season and I was much happier with it.

Yes
Tom Heaton I think it was
Sickener
I’m going Ryan and button as it stands

F1ngers

km79 wrote: »

I’m going Ryan and button as it stands

I'll end up with those 2 I reckon.
But first I'll have 15(hopefully) starters for gw2/3 and bb.

I usually wc over international break and that's when I'll have Ryan/Button.

Pete_Cavan

extra gravy wrote: »

I don't think he's saying don't have a decent bench. By all means have a 4.5m defender who came come in in case of injury/suspension just not someone you'd play by choice each week.

Maybe I am misinterpreting this. I took "no 4.5 rotating DEFs" to mean have a set back 4/3 and 1/2 4.0 on the bench. Why spend the extra 0.5 on a defender if you have no intention of using them?

The problem with rotating gks is that the seemingly good fixture doesn't always turn out that way. You play the one with the good fixture, he gets two points. The one you bench goes to Old Trafford, keeps an unlikely clean sheet, gets a load of save points and ends up with a 12 pointer. That's the worse case scenario but it's happened me before and has caused frustration and that may have impacted my decisions after that. Went with a set and forget last season and I was much happier with it.

Things don't always work out the way you planned, that's part and parcel of the game. Personally, I'd rather take that chance rather than spend the same or more budget on a set and forget keeper who will no doubt cause similar disappointment at some stage and be an injury away from fielding 10 players.

km79

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Maybe I am misinterpreting this. I took "no 4.5 rotating DEFs" to mean have a set back 4/3 and 1/2 4.0 on the bench. Why spend the extra 0.5 on a defender if you have no intention of using them?

Things don't always work out the way you planned, that's part and parcel of the game. Personally, I'd rather take that chance rather than spend the same or more budget on a set and forget keeper who will no doubt cause similar disappointment at some stage and be an injury away from fielding 10 players.

km79

http://twitter.com/FFScout/status/1154003890473439234

That’s a strong city line up
Angelina left back
Kdb deep
Sterling up top
Km79s Head melted

Pete_Cavan

km79 wrote: »

Yes I know you can go set and forget with both keepers being from the same club. I wouldn't want to be exclusively relying on any of those clubs for keeper points though.

Scorpion Sting

km79 wrote: »

http://twitter.com/FFScout/status/1154003890473439234

That’s a strong city line up
Angelina left back
Kdb deep
Sterling up top
Km79s Head melted

Angelino has been very poor during preseason so I feel it's Zinchenko's spot to lose while Mendy is out injured.

ShimSlady

KDB playing deep is a concern

extra gravy

Abraham getting the no. 9 shirt...might indicate that he'll be the main man at the start anyway

extra gravy

AWB at 34% ownership bloody hell. Half thinking of getting him just to cover potential United clean sheets.

extra gravy

Fee agreed between PSG and Everton for Gueye...

https://twitter.com/Reuser5/status/1154044020047269889?s=19

The real mccoy 91

extra gravy wrote: »

Fee agreed between PSG and Everton for Gueye...

https://twitter.com/Reuser5/status/1154044020047269889?s=19

Their defenders suddenly look a bit on the pricey side now

Dr. Bre

Is it possible to have salah Kane sterling and still have a decent team around them ?

Scorpion Sting

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Is it possible to have salah Kane sterling and still have a decent team around them ?

Yes I tried one with Auba instead of Kane and happy enough with the team.

2nd Row Donkey

Dr. Bre wrote:

Is it possible to have salah Kane sterling and still have a decent team around them ?

Heres a shot


4.5m playing keeper

VVD, Azpilicueta, Dunk, Lascelles (or some other 4.5m def)

Salah Sterling Moura Jorghinho

Kane Vardy


4m non playing keeper
4m defender (Kelly of palace looks best option)
Dedonker
Greenwood

Dr. Bre

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

Heres a shot


4.5m playing keeper

VVD, Azpilicueta, Dunk, Lascelles (or some other 4.5m def)

Salah Sterling Moura Jorghinho

Kane Vardy


4m non playing keeper
4m defender (Kelly of palace looks best option)
Dedonker
Greenwood

Not bad!

sheroman01

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Is it possible to have salah Kane sterling and still have a decent team around them ?

My team has them...along with TAA Robertson and Digne! It's a risk but I'm going with it. There's always early WC...

manual_man

Take out Salah and put in Auba instead and it gives you a good captain option every week:

Ryan(or other 4.5)
TAA Robertson Coleman Zinchenko
Tielemans Perez Sterling
Kane Auba Jota

Not bad

Pete_Cavan

I'm thinking something along the lines of:

2 x 4.5 keepers
TAA Zinchenko Zouma Diop Kelly (CP)
Sterling Mané Moura Yarmo Guendouzi
Kane Wilson 4.5 striker

Moura is a three week punt, can change to Pulisic/Martial depending on form. Alternatively I could go with Lucas Perez from the start and spend the extra 1.0 elsewhere.

Downgrading Wilson would also allow for upgrades elsewhere. Wilson to Abraham allows Yarmo to become Perez and Moura become Siggy.

machiavellianme

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I'm thinking something along the lines of:

2 x 4.5 keepers
TAA Zinchenko Zouma Diop Kelly (CP)
Sterling Manoura Yarmo Guendouzi
Kane Wilson 4.5 striker

Moura is a three week punt, can change to Pulisic/Martial depending on form. Alternatively I could go with Lucas Perez from the start and spend the extra 1.0 elsewhere.

Downgrading Wilson would also allow for upgrades elsewhere. Wilson to Abraham allows Yarmo to become Perez and Moura become Siggy.

Swap out Mane. He'll only just be back from the AFCON.

Pete_Cavan

machiavellianme wrote: »

Swap out Mane. He'll only just be back from the AFCON.

He's on holiday now but back with the squad this weekend I believe. He probably won't start GW1 but should be there for GW2. Salah requires too much downgrading elsewhere and trying to get Mané in later will be a nightmare, best just to start with him.

ThunbergsAreGo

Dunks transfer (if it comes) is probably too late in the window for GW1 start

km79

Martial goal