Is ethnic globalisation inevitable?

SharpshooterTom

Today John Cleese says London no longer feels like an English city, and I'm sure many people of his generation agree. We're increasingly seeing more and more people in the world try to fight growing tide of globalisation at the ballot box, movements like Brexit and Trump were largely fueled as a result of a backlash to ongoing globalisation.

Have a look at the percentage of white British population in the UK for example since World War II:

1951 - 99.8%
1961 - 99.2%
1971 - 97.8%
1981 - 96.5%
1991 - 94.5%
2001 - 92.1%
2011 - 87.0%
2021 - (probably somewhere in the 80%-85% region)

This is only going in one direction. Now I'm personally a fan of globalisation and embrace this change, but a lot of people as we know don't and movements like Trump and Brexit are largely motivated (although not every Brexit/Trump voter I stress voted because of this) to try and stop what they see as the erosion of the nation state and ongoing cultural and ethnic globalisation.

I personally think these people (e.g. Gemma O'Doherty) are on losing cause, ethnic globalisation to me is simply inevitable. The vast majority of human population isn't white, infact only 10-15% is, and obviously a lot of non whites are going to continue to flock to wealthier countries (which largely happen to be white) and thus demographic changes ensure.

Is ethnic globalisation of humanity inevitable?

_blaaz

The british are in no position to complain...given the way they took over america,nz and oz in particular


Yanks complaining about immigrants and removing local white population is perhaps the most un-selfaware thing i ever encountered.....and i taught it was someone piss taking first time i red it

kneemos

_blaaz wrote: »

The british are in position to complain...given the way they took over america,nz and oz in particular


Yanks complaining about immigrants and removing local white population is perhaps the un-selfaware thing i ever encountered.....and i taught it was someone piss taking first time i red it

Cheese lives abroad ironically.

China is becoming a huge global super power and it limits its immigration - not wanting to be like the west. I think the diversity of cultures just creates problems - birds of a feather flock together. And the people with no identity are the most pitiful and will be taken advantage of. Also the west is a big attraction to people who want free social welfare benefits, thats why alot of migrants bypass alot of safe countries to get here. On the other hand I think that limited immigration of intelligent people on work visas is extremely beneficial for the economy and also these people are alot more civilised. BUT across all developed countries no matter the culture or 'multi-culture', the fertility rate is falling because women are not having families like they use to, due to work/career been their first priority and everything been so damn expensive. So the idea of mass immigration is a temporary solution to this. In the long run I think the issue will be how to increase the fertility rate, that or increase automation. Then if you have less people, well you will need those kids to be high IQ so that they can be engineers to run the automation tools. We would need some fundamental changes in our society for that to happen

Hobosan

_blaaz wrote: »

The british are in position to complain...given the way they took over america,nz and oz in particular


Yanks complaining about immigrants and removing local white population is perhaps the un-selfaware thing i ever encountered.....and i taught it was someone piss taking first time i red it

You don't mind if I have your house do you? Considering your British ancestry like. I have it on good authority that you have no right to complain.

Yes.

Especially now that climate change has kicked in.

There'll definitely be wars over it.

ancapailldorcha

The same John Cleese who's clearing off to the Caribbean? He's just another old hypocrite who contributes nothing. He dog whistles about London not being English while he's off to whiten up Nevis.

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The same John Cleese who's clearing off to the Caribbean? He's just another old hypocrite who contributes nothing. He dog whistles about London not being English while he's off to whiten up Nevis.

He is allowed express his opinion you know.

_blaaz

_blaaz wrote: »

The british are in position to complain...given the way they took over america,nz and oz in particular


Yanks complaining about immigrants and removing local white population is perhaps the un-selfaware thing i ever encountered.....and i taught it was someone piss taking first time i red it

They didn't take over they settled the land in those countries it is different from illegal immigration

ancapailldorcha

Deleted User wrote: »

He is allowed express his opinion you know.

And I can criticise said opinion last I checked.

kneemos

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They didn't take over they settled the land in those countries it is different from illegal immigration

Claimed it for themselves,raped their resources and subjugated the natives you mean.

dxhound2005

Where there is emigration and immigration, mixed race will be a feature. It is the group with the largest increase in the UK census. Someone living there could have grandparents from Jamaica, England, Ireland and Russia. What does that make them? And if they have children with a Nigerian, what then?

SharpshooterTom

I saw a poll on here asking Irish people whether they would be ok if White Irish people became a minority in Ireland.

75% were against it, which to me is surprising, because to me whether they like it or not its very likely to happen anyway and I think those people should just accept that and embrace it.

AndyTheDude

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Now I'm personally a fan of globalisation and embrace this change

Care to elaborate? Why do you embrace globalistaion and are a fan of it?

Hobosan

kneemos wrote: »

Claimed it for themselves,raped their resources and subjugated the natives you mean.

Fools... they should have raped the natives and claimed the resources. What on Earth what were they thinking?

AndyTheDude

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

I saw a poll on here asking Irish people whether they would be ok if White Irish people became a minority in Ireland.

75% were against it, which to me is surprising, because to me whether they like it or not its very likely to happen anyway and I think those people should just accept that and embrace it.

Unbelievable post. Why should Irish people embrace becoming a minority in their own land???

SharpshooterTom

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Care to elaborate? Why do you embrace globalistaion and are a fan of it?

Because I don't care very much for the nation state, not a fan of patriotism or nationalism, and tend to view humanity (i.e. all 7.5 billion of us) collectively as one.

Richard Hillman

Only in certain parts of the world. The white empire is over. This is the generation that screwed it up after a millenia of dominance. There are parts of Eastern Europe that will never be conquered though.

Samely the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans will never be opened up to "diversity". The Western Europe and America will be their history lesson.

Sadly a lot of your children, grandchildren will have nowhere to go. Eastern Europe will just close themselves off, Asia will remain the same, The US and Canada will be gone too. They'll be living in a 3rd world ****hole.

Over the space of 100 years we will have went from the most advanced people on the planet to importing lesser cultures and getting lesser culture. We will be living off handouts from China.

AndyTheDude

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Because I don't care very much for the nation state, not a fan of patriotism or nationalism, and tend to view humanity (i.e. all 7.5 billion of us) collectively as one.

Would you be ok with 7.495 billion people moving in to Ireland? Do you think the system would handle it? I'd say the housing crisis would get slightly worse, no? :rolleyes:

policarp

Ethnic spread has happened thousands of years ago,
The Romans did it.
The Vikings did it.
The Normans did it.
The Brits did it.

riffmongous

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Only in certain parts of the world. The white empire is over. This is the generation that screwed it up after a millenia of dominance. There are parts of Eastern Europe that will never be conquered though.

Samely the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans will never be opened up to "diversity". The Western Europe and America will be their history lesson.

Sadly a lot of your children, grandchildren will have nowhere to go. Eastern Europe will just close themselves off, Asia will remain the same, The US and Canada will be gone too. They'll be living in a 3rd world ****hole.

Over the space of 100 years we will have went from the most advanced people on the planet to importing lesser cultures and getting lesser culture. We will be living off handouts from China.

Get a grip man, white supremacist nonsense

SharpshooterTom

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Would you be ok with 7.495 billion people moving in to Ireland? Do you think the system would handle it? I'd say the housing crisis would get slightly worse, no? :rolleyes:

Yeah but that's a hypothetical situation that will never happen even in an pure open borders world.

I do think there is a problem with current overpopulation in the world though. We're growing at a billion every 12 years which I think don't think is good.

Outlaw Pete

On the back of much criticism today from liberal quarters he has released the following statement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWWdk-GVZV8

policarp

There is a prophesy saying that the Irish will be re-christianised by those we christianised.

riffmongous

kneemos wrote: »

Cheese lives abroad ironically.

Really? What a twat

Hobosan

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Because I don't care very much for the nation state, not a fan of patriotism or nationalism, and tend to view humanity (i.e. all 7.5 billion of us) collectively as one.

You're around 7.5 billion times more caring than the average person, which is very commendable.

Hobosan

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Would you be ok with 7.495 billion people moving in to Ireland? Do you think the system would handle it? I'd say the housing crisis would get slightly worse, no? :rolleyes:

7.495 billion people moving to Ireland would be a dream come true for any Irish people clever enough to move abroad.

AndyTheDude

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Yeah but that's a hypothetical situation that will never happen even in an pure open borders world.

Sure. Still, there's probably a few hundred million people very eager to set their foot on Irish soil. Arrival of only a few million of those would completely collapse the healthcare/education/welfare/housing system here.

So, where do you draw a line in the sand? Is there a line at all? I am genuinely interested in your way of thinking.

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

I do think there is a problem with current overpopulation in the world though. We're growing at a billion every 12 years which I think don't think is good.

Well, the numbers don't lie. It's not exactly "we", is it?

Varik

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Well, the numbers don't lie. It's not exactly "we", is it?

It's fine, climate change will sort it out.

policarp

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

On the back of much criticism today from liberal quarters he has released the following statement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWWdk-GVZV8

VOX

AllForIt

The fool John Cleese moved to the Caribbean when he could have just moved to Brixton.

Captain Havoc

Why are people getting upity about something that's been going on for thousands of years? My last name is of French origin, although it probably arrived here 800 years ago with the Normans. Three of my grandparents had Irish surnames. If we don't like people coming to Ireland, we can go back to being a tin pot little island in the Atlantic.

Junkyard Tom

kneemos wrote: »

Cheese lives abroad ironically.

That's crackers.

donegal_man

kneemos wrote: »

Cheese lives abroad ironically.

Ah yes, but but he's an ex-pat. It's only people who move TO Britain are migrants.

Outlaw Pete

He's doubling down.............


https://twitter.com/JohnCleese/status/1133944383533793282

Yamanoto

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Why are people getting upity about something that's been going on for thousands of years? My last name is of French origin, although it probably arrived here 800 years ago with the Normans. Three of my grandparents had Irish surnames. If we don't like people coming to Ireland, we can go back to being a tin pot little island in the Atlantic.

The volume and rate at which immigration is taking place in Europe essentially means many migrants never have the time or indeed the inclination to attain an understanding of the communities they're landing into. Rather than being allowed to acclimatise and naturally assimilate over time, the sheer weight of numbers encourages them to stay separate and exist as distinct and parallel communities.

There are myriad examples of this playing out across the continent & the societal consequences for both migrants and the native population, always strangers to one another, are invariably negative.

There has to be a first-person plural, a "we", if the many individuals are to form a bond of neighborliness, accepting and respecting each other's opinions and desires, regardless of disagreements. What too much mass immigration too quickly does is fracture and fragment communities & that's a jigsaw you'll struggle to ever successfully piece together.

Yurt2

Yamanoto wrote: »

The volume and rate at which immigration is taking place in Europe essentially means many migrants never have the time or indeed the inclination to attain an understanding of the communities they're landing into. Rather than being allowed to acclimatise and naturally assimilate over time, the sheer weight of numbers encourages them to stay separate and exist as distinct and parallel communities.

This is all too true. I wandered into an ethnic enclave in Brussels a few years back. No French or Dutch spoken on the streets and quite frankly the place was an outpost of the Levant. The fact that it was located in a Belgian city appeared incidental.

If we are comfortable with this outcome or not, I think we should have an honest conversation about it. I certainly wouldn't want it for Ireland. Immigration, fine, to an extent. But we're actually quite a desirable place to live, we can afford to be picky about who we permit to live here; so let's exercise some quality control.

Poor Uncle Tom

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Why are people getting upity about something that's been going on for thousands of years? My last name is of French origin, although it probably arrived here 800 years ago with the Normans. Three of my grandparents had Irish surnames. If we don't like people coming to Ireland, we can go back to being a tin pot little island in the Atlantic.

I believe Havoc is descended from that great nobleman Genghis Khan, who made casting his DNA an art form, along with liberating men from their heads.

Kintarō Hattori

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Because I don't care very much for the nation state, not a fan of patriotism or nationalism, and tend to view humanity (i.e. all 7.5 billion of us) collectively as one.

I can't imagine the majority of the developing world sharing your viewpoint.

AMG1988

With the world becoming more and more accessible its a given. I am not against it, as long as the emigrating ethnicity integrate into the culture & community of the country they are moving to!

_Brian

AMG1988 wrote: »

With the world becoming more and more accessible its a given. I am not against it, as long as the emigrating ethnicity integrate into the culture & community of the country they are moving to!

Thing is though culture tends to develop and gain influence from others who interact in a positive way.

Over time cultures will mingle more and more, it’s already happening and will happen more given enough time.

We have to start thinking there is only one race, the human race, actual differences within are perceived and change over time.

CelticRambler

Bentlee Colossal Tux wrote: »

BUT across all developed countries no matter the culture or 'multi-culture', the fertility rate is falling because women are not having families like they use to, due to work/career been their first priority and everything been so damn expensive.

You've got that all wrong. :P Fertility rates are falling because women are better educated. It's as simple as that, and it's equally true for "non developed" countries. In fact, some of what you might call Third World countries have birth rates lower than places in the West.

Yamanoto wrote: »

Rather than being allowed to acclimatise and naturally assimilate over time, the sheer weight of numbers encourages them to stay separate and exist as distinct and parallel communities.

Hmm. A bit like the Amish in the US, or the Travellers in Ireland? Great proof of natural assimilation over time there.

gozunda

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

I can't imagine the majority of the developing world sharing your viewpoint.

Nor much of the developing either. It's funny that some of those pushing diversity in effect negate it and simply promote a free for all with none.

I wonder do the same idealists leave their doors open to the street and tell all and sundry just to wander in and help themselves?

Brussels Sprout

In the long run, if we survive, we'll all end up looking like Brazilians (apparently they are the most mixed race nation on earth).

How bad!!!

ohnonotgmail

Do we really need another thread with Great Replacement nonsense?

Your Face

Rather boringly - I think everything in moderation.

Except partying - go hard or go home.

steddyeddy

Deleted User wrote: »

They didn't take over they settled the land in those countries it is different from illegal immigration

They confiscated native land in favour of the settlers, strengthened the caste system in India and partitioned Ireland, India and Bengal at one point. British immigration to other countries has been an incredibly destructive force. Immigration from former British colonies has been an incredibly constructive force. They really need to get over themselves.

steddyeddy

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Only in certain parts of the world. The white empire is over. This is the generation that screwed it up after a millenia of dominance. There are parts of Eastern Europe that will never be conquered though.

Samely the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans will never be opened up to "diversity". The Western Europe and America will be their history lesson.

Sadly a lot of your children, grandchildren will have nowhere to go. Eastern Europe will just close themselves off, Asia will remain the same, The US and Canada will be gone too. They'll be living in a 3rd world ****hole.

Over the space of 100 years we will have went from the most advanced people on the planet to importing lesser cultures and getting lesser culture. We will be living off handouts from China.

You cannot consider China a lesser culture? China has millennia if culture.

Cordell

So does India, even more so does Egypt. And still...

steddyeddy

Cordell wrote: »

So does India, even more so does Egypt. And still...

But China's a super power. There's a difference in comparing it to India or Egypt.

Mad_maxx

steddyeddy wrote: »

But China's a super power. There's a difference in comparing it to India or Egypt.

China had the world's largest economy for 80% of the past two thousand years, around the time the industrial revolution began in England, China entered its weakest phase and stayed down until 1976, the last four decades has seen it resume its role of a giant