Is ethnic globalisation inevitable?

Captain Havoc · 30-05-2019 02:09AM

Why are people getting upity about something that's been going on for thousands of years? My last name is of French origin, although it probably arrived here 800 years ago with the Normans. Three of my grandparents had Irish surnames. If we don't like people coming to Ireland, we can go back to being a tin pot little island in the Atlantic.

Junkyard Tom · 30-05-2019 02:20AM

kneemos wrote: »

Cheese lives abroad ironically.

That's crackers.

donegal_man · 30-05-2019 02:50AM

kneemos wrote: »

Cheese lives abroad ironically.

Ah yes, but but he's an ex-pat. It's only people who move TO Britain are migrants.

Outlaw Pete · 30-05-2019 05:04AM

He's doubling down.............

https://twitter.com/JohnCleese/status/1133944383533793282

Yamanoto · 30-05-2019 07:21AM

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Why are people getting upity about something that's been going on for thousands of years? My last name is of French origin, although it probably arrived here 800 years ago with the Normans. Three of my grandparents had Irish surnames. If we don't like people coming to Ireland, we can go back to being a tin pot little island in the Atlantic.

The volume and rate at which immigration is taking place in Europe essentially means many migrants never have the time or indeed the inclination to attain an understanding of the communities they're landing into. Rather than being allowed to acclimatise and naturally assimilate over time, the sheer weight of numbers encourages them to stay separate and exist as distinct and parallel communities.

There are myriad examples of this playing out across the continent & the societal consequences for both migrants and the native population, always strangers to one another, are invariably negative.

There has to be a first-person plural, a "we", if the many individuals are to form a bond of neighborliness, accepting and respecting each other's opinions and desires, regardless of disagreements. What too much mass immigration too quickly does is fracture and fragment communities & that's a jigsaw you'll struggle to ever successfully piece together.

Yurt2 · 30-05-2019 07:36AM

Yamanoto wrote: »

The volume and rate at which immigration is taking place in Europe essentially means many migrants never have the time or indeed the inclination to attain an understanding of the communities they're landing into. Rather than being allowed to acclimatise and naturally assimilate over time, the sheer weight of numbers encourages them to stay separate and exist as distinct and parallel communities.

This is all too true. I wandered into an ethnic enclave in Brussels a few years back. No French or Dutch spoken on the streets and quite frankly the place was an outpost of the Levant. The fact that it was located in a Belgian city appeared incidental.

If we are comfortable with this outcome or not, I think we should have an honest conversation about it. I certainly wouldn't want it for Ireland. Immigration, fine, to an extent. But we're actually quite a desirable place to live, we can afford to be picky about who we permit to live here; so let's exercise some quality control.

Poor Uncle Tom · 30-05-2019 07:38AM

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Why are people getting upity about something that's been going on for thousands of years? My last name is of French origin, although it probably arrived here 800 years ago with the Normans. Three of my grandparents had Irish surnames. If we don't like people coming to Ireland, we can go back to being a tin pot little island in the Atlantic.

I believe Havoc is descended from that great nobleman Genghis Khan, who made casting his DNA an art form, along with liberating men from their heads.

Kintarō Hattori · 30-05-2019 07:52AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Because I don't care very much for the nation state, not a fan of patriotism or nationalism, and tend to view humanity (i.e. all 7.5 billion of us) collectively as one.

I can't imagine the majority of the developing world sharing your viewpoint.

AMG1988 · 30-05-2019 07:57AM

With the world becoming more and more accessible its a given. I am not against it, as long as the emigrating ethnicity integrate into the culture & community of the country they are moving to!

_Brian · 30-05-2019 08:57AM

AMG1988 wrote: »

With the world becoming more and more accessible its a given. I am not against it, as long as the emigrating ethnicity integrate into the culture & community of the country they are moving to!

Thing is though culture tends to develop and gain influence from others who interact in a positive way.

Over time cultures will mingle more and more, it’s already happening and will happen more given enough time.

We have to start thinking there is only one race, the human race, actual differences within are perceived and change over time.

CelticRambler · 30-05-2019 09:00AM

Bentlee Colossal Tux wrote: »

BUT across all developed countries no matter the culture or 'multi-culture', the fertility rate is falling because women are not having families like they use to, due to work/career been their first priority and everything been so damn expensive.

You've got that all wrong. :P Fertility rates are falling because women are better educated. It's as simple as that, and it's equally true for "non developed" countries. In fact, some of what you might call Third World countries have birth rates lower than places in the West.

Yamanoto wrote: »

Rather than being allowed to acclimatise and naturally assimilate over time, the sheer weight of numbers encourages them to stay separate and exist as distinct and parallel communities.

Hmm. A bit like the Amish in the US, or the Travellers in Ireland? Great proof of natural assimilation over time there.

gozunda · 30-05-2019 09:15AM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

I can't imagine the majority of the developing world sharing your viewpoint.

Nor much of the developing either. It's funny that some of those pushing diversity in effect negate it and simply promote a free for all with none.

I wonder do the same idealists leave their doors open to the street and tell all and sundry just to wander in and help themselves?

Brussels Sprout · 30-05-2019 09:18AM

In the long run, if we survive, we'll all end up looking like Brazilians (apparently they are the most mixed race nation on earth).

How bad!!!

ohnonotgmail · 30-05-2019 09:20AM

Do we really need another thread with Great Replacement nonsense?

Your Face · 30-05-2019 09:21AM

Rather boringly - I think everything in moderation.

Except partying - go hard or go home.

steddyeddy · 30-05-2019 09:32AM

Deleted User wrote: »

They didn't take over they settled the land in those countries it is different from illegal immigration

They confiscated native land in favour of the settlers, strengthened the caste system in India and partitioned Ireland, India and Bengal at one point. British immigration to other countries has been an incredibly destructive force. Immigration from former British colonies has been an incredibly constructive force. They really need to get over themselves.

steddyeddy · 30-05-2019 09:36AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Only in certain parts of the world. The white empire is over. This is the generation that screwed it up after a millenia of dominance. There are parts of Eastern Europe that will never be conquered though.

Samely the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans will never be opened up to "diversity". The Western Europe and America will be their history lesson.

Sadly a lot of your children, grandchildren will have nowhere to go. Eastern Europe will just close themselves off, Asia will remain the same, The US and Canada will be gone too. They'll be living in a 3rd world ****hole.

Over the space of 100 years we will have went from the most advanced people on the planet to importing lesser cultures and getting lesser culture. We will be living off handouts from China.

You cannot consider China a lesser culture? China has millennia if culture.

Cordell · 30-05-2019 09:41AM

So does India, even more so does Egypt. And still...

steddyeddy · 30-05-2019 10:03AM

Cordell wrote: »

So does India, even more so does Egypt. And still...

But China's a super power. There's a difference in comparing it to India or Egypt.

Mad_maxx · 30-05-2019 10:07AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

But China's a super power. There's a difference in comparing it to India or Egypt.

China had the world's largest economy for 80% of the past two thousand years, around the time the industrial revolution began in England, China entered its weakest phase and stayed down until 1976, the last four decades has seen it resume its role of a giant

Cordell · 30-05-2019 10:07AM

And so is Russia, but that does not make it a better culture.

Thelonious Monk · 30-05-2019 10:08AM

I couldn’t care less what colour people are in Ireland in 50 years. People are people. Humans are dynamic and things change.

Mad_maxx · 30-05-2019 10:09AM

Cordell wrote: »

And so is Russia, but that does not make it a better culture.

Russia is not a super power, its a big north Korea, lots of weapons but that's it, Italy has a larger economy

Mad_maxx · 30-05-2019 10:10AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I couldn’t care less what colour people are in Ireland in 50 years. People are people. Humans are dynamic and things change.

People are inherently tribal and primitive, I live in rural Ireland and folks from two parishes over are loathed

Danzy · 30-05-2019 10:11AM

As long as the loce affair with free market liberalism continues it is inevitable.

You won't have large migration without neoliberal economics and vice versa.

Cordell · 30-05-2019 10:12AM

In any case, being a superpower does not mean having better culture.
If it needs to be said, I will say it: western culture is the best culture, from arts to science and technology and society and liberties and human rights.

Thelonious Monk · 30-05-2019 10:12AM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

People are inherently tribal and primitive, I live in rural Ireland and folks from two parishes over are loathed

Well that’s pretty weird and you all need to get out more

topper75 · 30-05-2019 10:21AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Because I don't care very much for the nation state, not a fan of patriotism or nationalism, and tend to view humanity (i.e. all 7.5 billion of us) collectively as one.

That might make sense in a planet of infinite resources.

Have you really thought through what it would be like to remove the nation state?

Warlords. Lots of them. You probably won't be one though. Not good.

silverharp · 30-05-2019 10:37AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The same John Cleese who's clearing off to the Caribbean? He's just another old hypocrite who contributes nothing. He dog whistles about London not being English while he's off to whiten up Nevis.

the people complaining and virtue signalling about him the most live in Ayrian fortresses like the Cotswolds , that ironic.

Grayson · 30-05-2019 10:47AM

Didn't John Cleese clarify that what he meant is that it's not polite and his comment had nothing to do with race or ethnicity.

Is ethnic globalisation inevitable?

Comments