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David Curran - double murderer out on day release

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    #62
    howamidifferent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    And deny Human rights.

    He shouldnt have any.


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    #63
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    howamidifferent wrote: »
    He shouldnt have any.

    Hahahaha


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    #64
    fryup
    Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    I have known David in a professional capacity since he was 10.

    in what way? juvenile detention? social worker?


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    #65
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,622 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    And deny Human rights.

    Which of his rights is infringed by locking him up forever?


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    #66
    the.red.baron
    Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    prohibition of inhuman and degrading treatment


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    #67
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Well even though a harsher sentence structure has never been tried it's somehow proven it doesn't work in this country. also look at america's justice system I mean we both speak english so our countries' and cultures are exactly the same.

    I disagree that it doesn't work. How many burglaries, rapes , murders etc are committed by a person during, say, 40 years they are sitting in jail?

    If someone gets out there a certain chance they will reoffend . Lets say its 50%. Its 0% while they are in jail.


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    #68
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    Hahahaha

    How about a murder serves the same sentence as the person they killed? Simple swap system. As long as they stay dead, you stay in jail.

    Seems fair.


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    #69
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    Nermal wrote: »
    Which of his rights is infringed by locking him up forever?

    Well considering in 2017 a European judge ruled life means life, was appealed mast year to consider it inhumane and degrading to be incarcerated for life.


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    #70
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    How about a murder serves the same sentence as the person they killed? Simple swap system. As long as they stay dead, you stay in jail.

    Seems fair.

    That would be great if we were playing FIFA and transferring players but this is real life.


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    #71
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    That would be great if we were playing FIFA and transferring players but this is real life.

    Yep, real life where if you stab someone in the head with a screwdriver, they die.

    Then ,funnily enough, if you stab another person in the head with the same screwdriver, they die too.


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    #72
    the.red.baron
    Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    depends what you want from prison really


    just punishment or also rehabilitation


    here it is both


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    #73
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Yep, real life where if you stab someone in the head with a screwdriver, they die.

    Then ,funnily enough, if you stab another person in the head with the same screwdriver, they die too.

    Good when you come back to reality I'll communicate with you.


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    #74
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,622 ✭✭✭Nermal


    the.red.baron wrote: »
    prohibition of inhuman and degrading treatment
    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    Well considering in 2017 a European judge ruled life means life, was appealed mast year to consider it inhumane and degrading to be incarcerated for life.

    'Because a judge says it is so' is not an argument. How about you come up with your own rationale for how it is inhumane or degrading to imprison someone without possibility of parole?


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    #75
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    If someone like Curran isn't a candidate for a whole life sentence who is? What would someone need to do??


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    #76
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    eviltwin wrote: »
    If someone like Curran isn't a candidate for a whole life sentence who is? What would someone need to do??

    shoot a journalist on the Naas Road


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    #77
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    shoot a journalist on the Naas Road

    Still not, BM has moved from Portlaoise to supportive unit in Wheatfield, East wing. He will be out within 5 years.


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    #78
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    Nermal wrote: »
    'Because a judge says it is so' is not an argument. How about you come up with your own rationale for how it is inhumane or degrading to imprison someone without possibility of parole?

    Ok well it is degrading and inhumane as Entire life incarceration removes the rehabilitation element when that is what prison is about. The time within a prison without your liberty is punishment, Your rehabilitation takes place within those confines. It is Degrading to allow another man control your life till your dying days, You are being punished being within the prison regime.

    I would much rather some rehabilitate then spend their lives within a jail and murder a prison officer or another inmate which is happening weekly in the american penal system.

    Outside the fact its illegal, The law you are saying these men should be cast off for breaking- you are now indicating it should be broken. :confused::confused::confused:


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    #79
    the.red.baron
    Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    Nermal wrote: »
    'Because a judge says it is so' is not an argument. How about you come up with your own rationale for how it is inhumane or degrading to imprison someone without possibility of parole?






    there was no argument, you asked a question you got an answer


    why do you think the justice system is setup this way? I mean typically it wasn't starting from a default stance of leniency


    Are you for the death penalty?



    it depends what you want from it, punishment or rehabilitation


    which do you want?


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    #80
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,622 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    Ok well it is degrading and inhumane as Entire life incarceration removes the rehabilitation element when that is what prison is about.

    It's not solely about rehabilitation, it's about punishment and protecting the public too.
    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    Outside the fact its illegal, The law you are saying these men should be cast off for breaking- you are now indicating it should be broken. :confused::confused::confused:

    Changed, not broken.
    the.red.baron wrote: »
    it depends what you want from it, punishment or rehabilitation
    which do you want?

    Punishment.


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    #81
    the.red.baron
    Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    as was said, it's also a tool for behavior control


    no parole and no death sentence, no consequence to bad behaviour


    some people will never get out and some people deserve a second chance


    some people can change, perhaps he has


    I doubt if he hadn't they would just look at day release for the craic


    15 -20 years is still a big deterent


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    #82
    the.red.baron
    Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    Nermal wrote: »
    It's not solely about rehabilitation, it's about punishment and protecting the public too.



    Changed, not broken.




    And maybe he is no longer a danger to the public, do you know this?


    17 to 27 lots of people change


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    #83
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    Nermal wrote: »
    It's not solely about rehabilitation, it's about punishment and protecting the public too.



    Changed, not broken.

    Are you in a better position to judge safety of the public then those employed by the state to do so? And who are working with him.

    Have you dealt with David curran since his incarceration begun?

    Can you accurately say David hasnt changed?

    You have formed an opinion it is biased and you are emotional regarding it?
    You cannot judge a man with emotion.


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    #84
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,622 ✭✭✭Nermal


    the.red.baron wrote: »
    And maybe he is no longer a danger to the public, do you know this?

    Would you stake your life on it? Would any member of 'professions' who might judge him to be rehabilitated stake theirs? If not, why should they stake the lives of the public?


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    #85
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Who here would be willing to gamble with their own life that hes rehabilitated?


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    #86
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    I would happily pay more tax for bigger prisons so scum like this stayed locked up for longer.

    The problem is people won't 'happily pay more tax' for anything. We would have very few issues with services if people happily paid more taxes.


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    #87
    the.red.baron
    Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    Nermal wrote: »
    Would you stake your life on it? Would any member of 'professions' who might judge him to be rehabilitated stake theirs? If not, why should they stake the lives of the public?




    he was out for the day, how many did he murder?


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    #88
    the.red.baron
    Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    The problem is people won't 'happily pay more tax' for anything. We would have very few issues with services if people happily paid more taxes.




    not sure all the issues with services are entirely down to budgets


    Would you be happy paying 75% tax to have it pissed down the drain


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    #89
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    the.red.baron wrote: »
    he was out for the day, how many did he murder?

    Apparently he was out a few years ago to visit his mother in hospital.
    Murdered a whole hospital.


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    #90
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Apparently he was out a few years ago to visit his mother in hospital.
    Murdered a whole hospital.

    Would you stake your life on it?


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    #91
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    the.red.baron wrote: »
    not sure all the issues with services are entirely down to budgets


    Would you be happy paying 75% tax to have it pissed down the drain


    Obviously not all issues with services are entirely down to budgets but you saw what happened when the government tried to get users of water pay for a water service. Pandemonium!, marches and protests up and down the country until it was scrapped. And guess what some gobshytes think that the water service is now free! It's free all right, free for those who won't get off their arse and work for a living.


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