David Curran - double murderer out on day release

Fakediamond

I am genuinely shocked that the double murderer David Curran has been given day release only 9 years into a double life sentence. Who authorised this? If it was the Parole Board then they need to be getting better advice than they have clearly received up to now.

As a society we need to get better at understanding that model behaviour in prison rarely translates into the same behaviour back in the toxic environment that created it. Having a dysfunctional childhood can create very dangerous adults, who would find it difficult, if not impossible to change their ways. It’s not like he’s returning to a loving, functioning family, who disapprove of the behaviour and can help him to become a model citizen.

Squatter

Fakediamond wrote: »

I am genuinely shocked that the double murderer David Curran has been given day release only 9 years into a double life sentence. Who authorised this? If it was the Parole Board then they need to be getting better advice than they have clearly received up to now.

As a society we need to get better at understanding that model behaviour in prison rarely translates into the same behaviour back in the toxic environment that created it. Having a dysfunctional childhood can create very dangerous adults, who would find it difficult, if not impossible to change their ways. It’s not like he’s returning to a loving, functioning family, who disapprove of the behaviour and can help him to become a model citizen.

Is his father still locked up?

BattleCorp

Life doesn't mean life in this country.

It's usually about 18 years I think.

Beta Ray Bill

The glaring reality here is that we need more Prisons

In particular for young offenders, Oberstown has been full for years now.
People under 18 get sentenced and then are just freed as there is no where to put them.

Life should be Life (At least 30 years)
9 years for a double murder is shocking.

Prisons require a lot of money.
But sure we'd rather spend the money on getting fibre broadband out to farmers in the middle or no where OR p***ing Billions away on a children's hospital that's not really fit for purpose.

Joke!

Fakediamond

@Squatter - I don’t know

@battlecorp - it’s closer to 20 years now and depends on circumstances surrounding the original crime and the potential for rehabilitation. Those murders were particularly brutal and the behaviour psychopathic (in my opinion).

To be clear, he only got out for 8 hours according to media reports but it’s an indication that he’s already on the path to full release, which is incredible given the brutality of the crimes.

SEPT 23 1989

BattleCorp wrote: »

Life doesn't mean life in this country.

It's usually about 18 years I think.

depends on who you murder

Boom_Bap

Some family.
David locked up for double murder.
Father locked up for Tiger Kidnapping.
Brother murdered by his best mate.

BattleCorp

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Some family.
David locked up for double murder.
Father locked up for Tiger Kidnapping.
Brother murdered by his best mate.

Ahhhh, that explains the short sentence. Underprivileged upbringing.

Squatter

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Some family.
David locked up for double murder.
Father locked up for Tiger Kidnapping.
Brother murdered by his best mate.

Mother was badly burned in a fire-bombing which, according to AGS, wasn't related to the son's crimes.

Scoundrel

BattleCorp wrote: »

Ahhhh, that explains the short sentence. Underprivileged upbringing.

He didn't get a short sentence he got 2 life sentences.

Squatter

Scoundrel wrote: »

He didn't get a short sentence he got 2 life sentences.

Concurrent, not consecutive. So a 50% discount from day one!

Fr_Dougal

Scumbag.

Hobosan

We could try setting up a space programme and allowing utterly depraved criminals to run the thing. That has been known to decrease recidivism in the past.

.Charlo

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Scumbag.

Hopefully he'll be dead soon enough. The more pond life like him that lead short lives the better.

DEFTLEFTHAND

BattleCorp wrote: »

Life doesn't mean life in this country.

It's usually about 18 years I think.

It can do, the likes of John Shaw has been in prison for 43 years.

They'll usually get parole eventually though. The average time served these days is 22 yrs. However the sentence never goes away, they're subject to a lot of restrictions and can be returned to prison for any minor offence.

political analyst

The fact that Curran was 17 at the time of the murders may have been a factor in the Parole Board's decision because that meant that the life sentence for murder was not mandatory in his case.

kowloon

grahambo wrote: »

Prisons require a lot of money.
But sure we'd rather spend the money on getting fibre broadband out to farmers in the middle or no where OR p***ing Billions away on a children's hospital that's not really fit for purpose.

Joke!

The billions go to the contractors, not the actual services. Wait until we have privately run prisons.

Edgware

.Charlo wrote: »

Hopefully he'll be dead soon enough. The more pond life like him that lead short lives the better.

And hope hes getting his hole opened every day in the showers. A dirtbag from a dirtbag family

Dick phelan

Should have got 50 or 60 years minimum. Irish justice is a joke, why is nobody doing anything about it? Like why isn't it a major political issue in elections. I feel like someone who proposed building new prisons and harsher sentences would gain traction.

dhaughton99

Redhead. Explains it all.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Life imprisonment in Ireland means 15-20 years absolute maximum and that would be in the case of someone who constantly broke prison rules etc Everyone else gets out in 14/15 years because the whole Irish justice system is a complete joke from the idiot judges who are so far detached from reality that they shouldn't really be allowed to even live in our societies let alone pass judgement in legal cases to the overcrowded revolving door prison service to the solicitors/barristers who lie/cheat and defraud the court system to make money from these scumbags. The whole thing needs to be overhauled but sure we've known that for decades and absolutely zero has been done about to date and unlikely ever to be done about it.

JohnnyFlash

Edgware wrote: »

And hope hes getting his hole opened every day in the showers. A dirtbag from a dirtbag family

Bizarre revenge fantasy. Something you ain’t telling us?

Hal3000

The regulars will be on here soon saying day release is a good thing. Let's understand why, harsh sentences are bad... Yada yada absolute horses*it...

Sundance_Kid

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Scumbag.

An ugly scumbag at that

Beechwoodspark

I’ve said it many times on boards but once more

We no longer have capital punishment in this country. Wrongly in my view but in the circumstances

Prison needs to be FAR FAR FAR HARSHER than it is

corner of hells

Fakediamond wrote: »

I am genuinely shocked that the double murderer David Curran has been given day release only 9 years into a double life sentence. Who authorised this? If it was the Parole Board then they need to be getting better advice than they have clearly received up to now.

As a society we need to get better at understanding that model behaviour in prison rarely translates into the same behaviour back in the toxic environment that created it. Having a dysfunctional childhood can create very dangerous adults, who would find it difficult, if not impossible to change their ways. It’s not like he’s returning to a loving, functioning family, who disapprove of the behaviour and can help him to become a model citizen.

Throw us up an ol' link there .

Riesen_Meal

Sunday world sitting on my table, a few more up to date pictures of this scaldy looking killer :

Beechwoodspark

Someone like him should never see outside of his cell for the rest of his life

Shackled to the wall in a hellhole of a cell until his dying day should be what prison is like for such scum

Trigger Happy

I would happily pay more tax for bigger prisons so scum like this stayed locked up for longer.

Fakediamond

corner of hells wrote: »

Throw us up an ol' link there .

I heard the victims former employer speaking about it on liveline today. He is still traumatised by the murders and their families in Poland are beyond devastated.

Bobblehats

Somethings not right here he should come out looking the way he went in not vica versa.... was obviously in his element

Birneybau

Those poor Polish fellas just trying to make good lives for themselves over here.

The details of their deaths have stayed with me over the years.

Bobblehats

Birneybau wrote: »

Those poor Polish fellas just trying to make good lives for themselves over here.

The details of their deaths have stayed with me over the years.

I remember it well; too close to home I used to kick a ball around down there.

Motivator

I remember this case well, really shocking and upsetting murders. Not much to say about his release to be honest, this kind of stuff just doesn’t even shock me anymore. The whole legal system in this country is one big joke.

political analyst

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Life imprisonment in Ireland means 15-20 years absolute maximum and that would be in the case of someone who constantly broke prison rules etc Everyone else gets out in 14/15 years because the whole Irish justice system is a complete joke from the idiot judges who are so far detached from reality that they shouldn't really be allowed to even live in our societies let alone pass judgement in legal cases to the overcrowded revolving door prison service to the solicitors/barristers who lie/cheat and defraud the court system to make money from these scumbags. The whole thing needs to be overhauled but sure we've known that for decades and absolutely zero has been done about to date and unlikely ever to be done about it.

That's not the judges' fault - they don't have the power to set minimum tariffs in murder cases except where the perpetrator is a juvenile.

mikemac2

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Life imprisonment in Ireland means 15-20 years absolute maximum and that would be in the case of someone who constantly broke prison rules etc Everyone else gets out in 14/15 years because the whole Irish justice system

As already posted John Shaw served 42 years

Malcolm McArthur served 30 years

El_Bee

How many convictions did he have before he killed? how many opportunities did our justice system have to safeguard society from him?

El_Bee

Hal3000 wrote: »

The regulars will be on here soon saying day release is a good thing. Let's understand why, harsh sentences are bad... Yada yada absolute horses*it...

Well even though a harsher sentence structure has never been tried it's somehow proven it doesn't work in this country. also look at america's justice system I mean we both speak english so our countries' and cultures are exactly the same.

Dirkziggler

I love wandering into a thread like this.

1) David will serve a minimum of 25 years after 7 years served all lifers are entitled to Day release on agreement this will be once in a blue moon.

2) David does his jail in 23 hour segregation in Arbour hill due to previous attacks he refuses to mix with sex offenders So is in his cell 23/hours a day.

3) He deserves to be punished but getting all carried away saying he should never get out is just silly as this isn't nor will it ever be the case.

Can we not discuss why people disagree with the release and why people believe it is productive. Rather then being childish and unrealistic.

El_Bee

Dirkziggler wrote: »

I love wandering into a thread like this.

1) David will serve a minimum of 25 years after 7 years served all lifers are entitled to Day release on agreement this will be once in a blue moon.

2) David does his jail in 23 hour segregation in Arbour hill due to previous attacks he refuses to mix with sex offenders So is in his cell 23/hours a day.

3) He deserves to be punished but getting all carried away saying he should never get out is just silly as this isn't nor will it ever be the case.

Can we not discuss why people disagree with the release and why people believe it is productive. Rather then being childish and unrealistic.

Honestly I don't have problem with his day release if there were clear indicators of reform in his character and a catalogue of good behaviour stretching back to his imprisonment. my issue is with the justice system in general, like I've already asked how many times was he before the courts? how many people are at risk right now because other violent criminals with double digit convictions who should be away from society are out because of light or suspended sentences?

Lackey

Dirkziggler wrote: »

I love wandering into a thread like this.

3) He deserves to be punished but getting all carried away saying he should never get out is just silly as this isn't nor will it ever be the case.

Can we not discuss why people disagree with the release and why people believe it is productive. Rather then being childish and unrealistic.

Maybe if he stabbed 2 of your loved ones in the head with a screwdriver you’d feel differently ?

If you think he shouldn’t be locked away forever would you like him living next door to you?

I don’t want him released because he stabbed two men in the head with a screwdriver


He should never see the light of day again

Edgware

Dirkziggler wrote: »

I love wandering into a thread like this.

1) David will serve a minimum of 25 years after 7 years served all lifers are entitled to Day release on agreement this will be once in a blue moon.

2) David does his jail in 23 hour segregation in Arbour hill due to previous attacks he refuses to mix with sex offenders So is in his cell 23/hours a day.

3) He deserves to be punished but getting all carried away saying he should never get out is just silly as this isn't nor will it ever be the case.

Can we not discuss why people disagree with the release and why people believe it is productive. Rather then being childish and unrealistic.

Ah poor little David. Hopefully he will be castrated before he gets a chance to father some kid who will end up like him or his scumbag father

freshpopcorn

Dick phelan wrote: »

Should have got 50 or 60 years minimum. Irish justice is a joke, why is nobody doing anything about it? Like why isn't it a major political issue in elections. I feel like someone who proposed building new prisons and harsher sentences would gain traction.

From my memory of theast general election Lucinda Creighton suggested something about stricter sentences/three strikes/etc.
She was basically laughed at for it.

Lackey

freshpopcorn wrote: »

From my memory of theast general election Lucinda Creighton suggested something about stricter sentences/three strikes/etc.
She was basically laughed at for it.

I think her lack of popularity was more to do with her anti abortion stance but I’m not sure?

freshpopcorn

Lackey wrote: »

I think her lack of popularity was more to do with her anti abortion stance but I’m not sure?

I get this but people can be very funny about harsher sentences from what I've seen.

Dirkziggler

El_Bee wrote: »

Honestly I don't have problem with his day release if there were clear indicators of reform in his character and a catalogue of good behaviour stretching back to his imprisonment. my issue is with the justice system in general, like I've already asked how many times was he before the courts? how many people are at risk right now because other violent criminals with double digit convictions who should be away from society are out because of light or suspended sentences?

I can't answer regarding his previous as imnnot sure I know he wasn't in St Patrick's or Oberstown before this crime, but would be guessing at his previous and ive no interest in doing that. I have known David in a professional capacity since he was 10. He is a man and should be made answer to his crimes. But saying he should never get out well thats just silly, childish and uneducated.

Wheeliebin30

Dirkziggler wrote: »

I can't answer regarding his previous as imnnot sure I know he wasn't in St Patrick's or Oberstown before this crime, but would be guessing at his previous and ive no interest in doing that. I have known David in a professional capacity since he was 10. He is a man and should be made answer to his crimes. But saying he should never get out well thats just silly, childish and uneducated.

A professional capacity!!

Thanks for my Monday night laugh...

Dirkziggler

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

A professional capacity!!

Thanks for my Monday night laugh...

Yes he attended a service I work for.

Gimme A Pound

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

A professional capacity!!

Thanks for my Monday night laugh...

Social worker I guess?

I don't agree with the torture and rape talk, but I don't think this man should get out for a long time for sure - not until he's old. How can it be known how safe people would be around him? Isn't there the risk that he'd become more violent/unhinged in jail?

Fakediamond

Dirkziggler wrote: »

I love wandering into a thread like this.

1) David will serve a minimum of 25 years after 7 years served all lifers are entitled to Day release on agreement this will be once in a blue moon.

2) David does his jail in 23 hour segregation in Arbour hill due to previous attacks he refuses to mix with sex offenders So is in his cell 23/hours a day.

3) He deserves to be punished but getting all carried away saying he should never get out is just silly as this isn't nor will it ever be the case.

Can we not discuss why people disagree with the release and why people believe it is productive. Rather then being childish and unrealistic.

Ok.

1) I disagree because it is too soon for the victims to accept that justice is being served.
2) while I’m not entitled to know this, I would like to know that he is capable of being rehabilitated before letting him out, even for a day.
3) I do not agree that it is silly to think that he will never be released, some people are too dangerous to be out in society. Prison should primarily be used for this category of person as they pose the greatest risk of causing physical harm to their fellow humans. I don’t know if DC is one of those, but I think services such as prison psychologists/probation officers/ prison management can be manipulated into thinking that perpetrators have changed. The crime was especially brutal and violent and that should be acknowledged in considering any release.
4) can’t think of any reason why it’s productive to allow day release so early in a sentence, it sets up an expectation that will make him push for further concessions and I feel it’s way too soon for that.

jay0109

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Yes he attended a service I work for.

It seems that it worked out well for him :rolleyes: