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Healthy baby aborted at 15 weeks

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    #1412
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Abortion has been around as long as humans have been.
    There will always be a percentage of women who cannot or will not remain pregnant, for their own personal reasons.
    It isn't a new or modern concept at all.

    An links to it


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    #1413
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Wh9 invented abortion anyways?

    Abortion has probably existed for as long as women were aware of what pregnancy was. It's mentioned in humanity's most ancient writings according to wiki:
    The Vedic and smrti laws of India reflected a concern with preserving the male seed of the three upper castes; and the religious courts imposed various penances for the woman or excommunication for a priest who provided an abortion. In the epic Ramayana, there is description that the practice of abortion was being done by the surgeons or barbers in those days.

    The only evidence of the death penalty being mandated for abortion in the ancient laws is found in Assyrian Law, in the Code of Assura, c. 1075 BCE; and this is imposed only on a woman who procures an abortion against her husband's wishes. The first recorded evidence of induced abortion is from the Egyptian Ebers Papyrus in 1550 BCE.


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    #1414
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,275 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Titclamp wrote: »
    An links to it

    Links to what? do you have a genuine question that you want answered?


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    #1415
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Titclamp wrote: »
    An links to it

    I always wonder why some posters post at length about a subject they clearly have a strong opinion about but appear to be unable to google for information for themselves. I assume it's a deliberate strategy.


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    #1416
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    volchitsa wrote: »
    Abortion has probably existed for as long as women were aware of what pregnancy was. It's mentioned in humanity's most ancient writings according to wiki:

    Why was there such outrage then as now.


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    #1417
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,521 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Wh9 invented abortion anyways?

    It was widely accepted in ancient Greece and Rome.


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    #1418
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    volchitsa wrote: »
    I always wonder why some posters post at length about a subject they clearly have a strong opinion about but appear to be unable to google for information for themselves. I assume it's a deliberate strategy.

    Yes its deliberately to get information.


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    #1419
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,521 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Titclamp wrote: »
    An links to it

    Look it up. You obviously have access to the internet.


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    #1420
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It was widely accepted in ancient Greece and Rome.

    So was pedophilia


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    #1421
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Yes its deliberately to get information.

    No it's obviously not. You'd google it yourself if that was what you wanted.


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    #1422
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    volchitsa wrote: »
    No it's obviously not. You'd google it yourself if that was what you wanted.

    And what is it so ? Its not what I wanted its why I asked so I didn't have to search endlessly.


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    #1423
    Plumbthedepths
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    volchitsa wrote: »
    No it's obviously not. You'd google it yourself if that was what you wanted.

    The poster you are responding to has all the hallmarks of a WUM.


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    #1424
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Titclamp wrote: »
    An links to it

    Its widely accepted common knowledge that abortion has always existed.
    More ancient methods involved ingesting poisons, then coat hangers, back street surgeries and throwing themselves down the stairs.
    In more mordern times, we travelled to the UK to avail of competant medical care over there.

    So long as there are women becoming pregnant, there will be women needing a termination. It has always been this way and it will continue to be this way, whether its illegal or whether its regulated.
    This is a fact of life.

    If you truly want to learn more, google is your friend.


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    #1425
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Why is asking questions so irritating for some?


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    #1426
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Titclamp wrote: »
    So was pedophilia

    So?


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    #1427
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,521 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    From reading a couple of threads here there are a few people who are vigorously opposed to abortion, and write about the sanctity of life, and yet are posting against vaccinations that save lives and prevent agony for women and children. Double standards, to say the least.


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    #1428
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Its widely accepted common knowledge that abortion has always existed.
    More ancient methods involved ingesting poisons, then coat hangers, back street surgeries and throwing themselves down the stairs.
    In more mordern times, we travelled to the UK to avail of competant medical care over there.

    So long as there are women becoming pregnant, there will be women needing a termination. It has always been this way and it will continue to be this way, whether its illegal or whether its regulated.
    This is a fact of life.

    If you truly want to learn more, google is your friend.

    Google isn't always the most reliable source is it.


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    #1429
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Why is asking questions so irritating for some?

    Because you could very easily google these things if you were truly interested in learning. This thread isn't your personal researching service.
    We aren't here to provide you with information you could very easily find for yourself.


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    #1430
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Google isn't always the most reliable source is it.

    And boards.ie is?


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    #1431
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Because you could very easily google these things if you were truly interested in learning. This thread isn't your personal researching service.
    We aren't here to provide you with information you could very easily find for yourself.

    I'm not really interested in learning about the history of abortion. Why I asked for links.

    Well if there's no real information then its just opinion.


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    #1432
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    And boards.ie is?[/quote

    Tries to sound like it is.


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    #1433
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Titclamp wrote: »
    I'm not really interested in learning about the history of abortion. Why I asked for links.

    Well if there's no real information then its just opinion.
    Titclamp wrote: »
    Wh9 invented abortion anyways?

    You don't seem to know what you're looking for at all. If you truly want to learn I'm sure you are more than capable of conducting a google search, finding impartial websites isn't particularly difficult either.
    Best of luck.


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    #1434
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You don't seem to know what you're looking for at all. If you truly want to learn I'm sure you are more than capable of conducting a google search, finding impartial websites isn't particularly difficult either.
    Best of luck.

    You can be apathetic about a subject and still ask a question.

    Its boring anyways. Brings out the neuroticism in everyone.


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    #1435
    Graces7
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    Before abortion, there is a human life

    After abortion, no life

    And that stage of life is where we were all at at one time. Without it we do not exist.

    It is the ultimate betrayal.


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    #1436
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Before abortion, there is a human life

    After abortion, no life

    And that stage of life is where we were all at at one time. Without it we do not exist.

    It is the ultimate betrayal.

    We were all eggs and sperm too, but so what? I really don't get this "betrayal" thing - is it betrayal to use contraception to stop babies who would otherwise be conceived?

    Isn't it more important to be able to care for those babies that are actually born than to just bring as many as possible of them unthinkingly into the world?


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    #1437
    seamus
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    Titclamp wrote: »
    So was pedophilia
    So was bathing, watching plays, playing sports, debating, eating, drinking, laughing.

    What's your point?


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    #1438
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    volchitsa wrote: »
    We were all eggs and sperm too, but so what? I really don't get this "betrayal" thing - is it betrayal to use contraception to stop babies who would otherwise be conceived?

    Isn't it more important to be able to care for those babies that are actually born than to just bring as many as possible of them unthinkingly into the world?

    So is it harder to care for a baby noe than say 200 years ago?


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    #1439
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    seamus wrote: »
    So was bathing, watching plays, playing sports, debating, eating, drinking, laughing.

    What's your point?

    Yeah raping children might be the same as laughing in your head


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    #1440
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Titclamp wrote: »
    So is it harder to care for a baby noe than say 200 years ago?

    Maybe you should just make your point rather than asking questions and then saying you aren't interested in the answers.


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    #1441
    dartboardio
    Registered Users Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Abortion is legal.

    Fair is fair.

    Whether that's at two weeks or fifteen weeks, so be it.


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