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Healthy baby aborted at 15 weeks

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    #662
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Totally relevant if you consider the unborn child a human in their own right.

    What if the woman doesn't want to carry it?


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    #663
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Totally relevant if you consider the unborn child a human in their own right.

    Ah, well Ireland doesn’t so it is irrelevant.


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    #664
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    What if the woman doesn't want to carry it?

    Then she should probably seek help from a mental health expert.


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    #665
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    amcalester wrote: »
    Ah, well Ireland doesn’t so it is irrelevant.

    So the child becomes a human once it exits the vagina?


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    #666
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Then she should probably seek help from a mental health expert.

    And if she does and still doesn't want to carry it?


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    #667
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Why is a parent abusing their children any of our business?

    No, why is a woman deciding what to do with her own body any of our business?

    The law doesn't consider a termination within the parameters as 'child abuse' so frankly you can take your prejudicial morals and stick them up your hole.


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    #668
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    stefanovich wrote: »
    So the child becomes a human once it exits the vagina?

    You left out in it’s own right.


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    #669
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    And if she does and still doesn't want to carry it?

    Look, I am against abortion. It's impossible arguing minutia like this. Moral relativism and language games.

    I think there is something wrong with a woman who wants an abortion. It's beyond unnatural.


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    #670
    Hannibal_Smith
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Look, I am against abortion. It's impossible arguing minutia like this. Moral relativism and language games.

    I think there is something wrong with a woman who wants an abortion. It's beyond unnatural.

    There are no language games. It is a very simple question.


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    #671
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Look, I am against abortion. It's impossible arguing minutia like this. Moral relativism and language games.

    I think there is something wrong with a woman who wants an abortion. It's beyond unnatural.

    I think there's something wrong with wanting to control what other people do with their own bodies.

    If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one.

    If a woman is raped, you would see something wrong with her not wanting to go through with a subsequent pregnancy?


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    #672
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    And if she does and still doesn't want to carry it?

    Continued help? Sectioned?


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    #673
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Continued help? Sectioned?

    All the while remaining pregnant against her wishes?


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    #674
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Continued help? Sectioned?

    And forced to give birth?

    What about women who travel for an abortion? Stop them at the airport?


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    #675
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I think there's something wrong with wanting to control what other people do with their own bodies.

    If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one.

    If a woman is raped, you would see something wrong with her not wanting to go through with a subsequent pregnancy?

    So if someone wants to slit their wrists you wouldn't try to stop them?

    Rape is wrong and evil and bad. Terminating the pregnancy solves nothing. Just adds to the tragedy.


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    #676
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    All the while remaining pregnant against her wishes?
    amcalester wrote: »
    And forced to give birth?

    What about women who travel for an abortion? Stop them at the airport?

    Yes, yes and yes.


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    #677
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    stefanovich wrote: »
    So if someone wants to slit their wrists you wouldn't try to stop them?

    Rape is wrong and evil and bad. Terminating the pregnancy solves nothing. Just adds to the tragedy.

    Someone slitting their wrists is putting their life in danger. You continue your whataboutery though.

    So you would force the raped woman to have the baby and deal with that trauma for the rest of her life through the child.

    Honestly, you have zero compassion or care for women here, to the point that you would have them sectioned for not wanting to go through a pregnancy for any reason.


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    #678
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Yes, yes and yes.


    So once pregnant, women lose their right to free travel?

    Do you envision mandatory pregnancy tests at all airports/ports?

    Should all women of childbearing age have their post inspected (like they do in prisons), just in case they order the medication online?

    Should all women have to perform monthly governent-required pregnancy tests, and, if they test positive one month and negative the next, should they have to provide evidence that this occurred due to natural causes?


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    #679
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Yes, yes and yes.

    Disgusting attitude.

    You’d probably deny the child access to vaccines then as well.

    You’ve a quare set of morals.


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    #680
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,409 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Continued help? Sectioned?

    You want to lock a woman up because she doesn't want to stay pregnant?

    How would you do that?

    Padded cell? Strapped to bed? Force fed until she goes into labour and delivers?


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    #681
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Someone slitting their wrists is putting their life in danger. You continue your whataboutery though.

    So you would force the raped woman to have the baby and deal with that trauma for the rest of her life through the child.

    Honestly, you have zero compassion or care for women here, to the point that you would have them sectioned for not wanting to go through a pregnancy for any reason.

    You are throwing extreme cases at me to make your point.

    The first thing I mentioned was helping and supporting the woman.

    If the woman does not want to keep the baby it can be adopted by someone who will love it.


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    #682
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    amcalester wrote: »
    Disgusting attitude.

    You’d probably deny the child access to vaccines then as well.

    You’ve a quare set of morals.

    The child that should have been aborted?


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    #683
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,409 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stefanovich wrote: »
    You are throwing extreme cases at me to make your point.

    The first thing I mentioned was helping and supporting the woman.

    If the woman does not want to keep the baby it can be adopted by someone who will love it.

    If that were yhe case there wouldn't be a long list of children currently waiting to be adopted.

    How do you think we could persuade people to adopt thousands of new borns a year?

    How many children currently on the adoption list will you yourself be taking in?


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    #684
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    stefanovich wrote: »
    You are throwing extreme cases at me to make your point.

    The first thing I mentioned was helping and supporting the woman.

    If the woman does not want to keep the baby it can be adopted by someone who will love it.

    But you have no interest in helping women. You want them locked away in a facility against their will because they don't want to continue with a pregnancy.

    That's mind-boggling stuff.


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    #685
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You want to lock a woman up because she doesn't want to stay pregnant?

    How would you do that?

    Padded cell? Strapped to bed? Force fed until she goes into labour and delivers?

    Absolutely not. Given care and support and help.


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    #686
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    If that were yhe case there wouldn't be a long list of children currently waiting to be adopted.

    How do you think we could persuade people to adopt thousands of new borns a year?

    How many children currently on the adoption list will you yourself be taking in?

    Oh I forgot. We solve our population issue by importing people from abroad.

    There's many parents that are desperate to adopt. There is literally 0 adoption of Irish children.


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    #687
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    stefanovich wrote: »
    You are throwing extreme cases at me to make your point.

    The first thing I mentioned was helping and supporting the woman.

    If the woman does not want to keep the baby it can be adopted by someone who will love it.

    If the woman does not want to be pregnant you have suggested sectioning her with a view to her remaining pregnant. 9 months of pregnancy and child birth against her will.

    Is that the support you're talking about?


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    #688
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,409 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Absolutely not. Given care and support and help.

    What if she doesn't want "care and help" what if she just wants to have an abortion?


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    #689
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Absolutely not. Given care and support and help.


    To do what you want.
    Not what they want.






    That's not care, that's not help, that's most definitely not support.


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    #690
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Anorexia is a mental illness which could have serious consequences for someone's health.

    It's not just women who suffer from anorexia either but you go on your spate of whataboutery there.

    I did mention women AND men. So all mentally ill no matter what their ilness should be forcibly treated against their will? I seem to remember homosexuality and grandma sexuality being mental illnesses so you'll forgive me if I think that mental illness isn't a rock solid area.


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    #691
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Faugheen wrote: »
    But you have no interest in helping women. You want them locked away in a facility against their will because they don't want to continue with a pregnancy.

    That's mind-boggling stuff.

    Very controlling behavior. The type of thing an abuser would do and explain away as “I’m doing it to protect you”.


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