Are we used to Dublin being a Kip?

Riesen_Meal

Mad_maxx wrote: »

For its size, Limerick has far more scum than any city in the country including Dublin, it has four council estates which bar perhaps Darndale, no other city can compete with in the pond life department

Not sure I'd agree with that, I think all areas have relative "kips" Ballybeg in Waterford, Ballybane/Tuam in Galway, Southhill in Limerick, Moneymore in Drogheda etc etc

You can't tar all so called "bad area's" with one brush, every area in most countries has it's own sh1tholes...

Most people in these places are decent, it's a few scumbags who wreck it for everyone...

Mad_maxx

Fieldog wrote: »

Not sure I'd agree with that, I think all areas have relative "kips" Ballybeg in Waterford, Ballybane/Tuam in Galway, Southhill in Limerick, Moneymore in Drogheda etc etc

You can't tar all so called "bad area's" with one brush, every area in most countries has it's own sh1tholes...

Most people in these places are decent, it's a few scumbags who wreck it for everyone...

Nowhere in Galway ( and I don't rate Galway) comes close to any of the four notorious council estates in Limerick, neither does monamore in Drogheda

Ash.J.Williams

Joints of weed.... Lord save us

Chris_Heilong

Still there is no where else in Ireland I would rather live.

Spanish Eyes

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Regarding the drug clinics Here’s a thought

Hse buys a knackered clapped out ship on the cheap

put a drug treatment centre onboard and get the addicts on board then sail out a fair distance into the sea and everyone happy.

They can sit on the deck playing aslan and hard house thru their tinny phone speakers to their hearts content. Smoking sH1t hash and drinking cans of the cheapest cider available.

Probably will need a bit of security but no harm. Eastern European ex special forces would relish such a novel task.

Then regenerate the city centre

Free seasickness pills with yer Methadone

recedite

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Joints of weed.... Lord save us

In fairness, the quote in context goes..

dreamliner wrote: »

The fact they were smoking weed at what appeared to be 12 years of age finished it off for him, he couldn't understand how any society deems that normal.

joe swanson

In comparison to most European capitals , Dublin unfortunately is a kip. I have had the good luck to be able to travel to many European cities and you can walk around most city centre s without much worry for your personal safety. Dublin city centre however just seems to be a meeting place for the scum of the county to congregate and engage in whatever behaviour they want . I would imagine coming here as a tourist would not be pleasurable

corner of hells

joe swanson wrote: »

In comparison to most European capitals , Dublin unfortunately is a kip. I have had the good luck to be able to travel to many European cities and you can walk around most city centre s without much worry for your personal safety. Dublin city centre however just seems to be a meeting place for the scum of the county to congregate and engage in whatever behaviour they want . I would imagine coming here as a tourist would not be pleasurable

Yet nearly 6 million tourists visited Dublin in 2017.

Thelonious Monk

What annoys me is walking around some streets in town where the paths and kerbs are just in absolute bits like someone's been hammering at them with kango hammers and bulldozers. Baggot St and Merrion Row spring to mind, and South Anne St. It just looks terrible, for all the money we squander in this country you'd think they'd be able to get the little things right.
Also pedestrians are not favoured at crossings, the car is. Even at lunchtime you've to wait a bloody age on the tiny footpaths in certain parts of the city, when the streets are packed, for the lights to change so you can cross. Again Baggot St and Merrion Row are terrible for this. Lots of streets have plenty of room to accommodate bigger footpaths and cycle lanes but nothing is being done.

Spanish Eyes

corner of hells wrote: »

Yet nearly 6 million tourists visited Dublin in 2017.

To be quite honest, the city is for its people, if the people living there are treated with respect by the powers that be, ie cleaning the place, policing it, maintaining it and moving the scumbag clinics out, then tourists will love it.

Sure all they do is go to Temple Bar and Trinity and Guinness, and Dublin Castle. Doubt many go down Talbot Street or Parnell area.

Dublin is for us, the rest should follow. Time to man the barricades. Those of you with a vote in the Inner City Wards, please give the candidates a rollicking.

But I suppose all they are interested in in a house for Molly or Joe near the Ma, at taxpayer's expense.

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What annoys me is walking around some streets in town where the paths and kerbs are just in absolute bits like someone's been hammering at them with kango hammers and bulldozers. Baggot St and Merrion Row spring to mind, and South Anne St. It just looks terrible, for all the money we squander in this country you'd think they'd be able to get the little things right.

I'm almost convinced that Dublin City Council have some kind of competition running to see who can be the first to tear up a newly laid pavement and re-fill it with a big dirty-looking lump of tarmac that isn't even trying to blend in.

Its either that or they simply could not give a fcuk. Its not a phenomenon I've noticed elsewhere.

corner of hells

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

To be quite honest, the city is for its people, if the people living there are treated with respect by the powers that be, ie cleaning the place, policing it, maintaining it and moving the scumbag clinics out, then tourists will love it.

Sure all they do is go to Temple Bar and Trinity and Guinness, and Dublin Castle. Doubt many go down Talbot Street or Parnell area.

Dublin is for us, the rest should follow. Time to man the barricades. Those of you with a vote in the Inner City Wards, please give the candidates a rollicking.

But I suppose all they are interested in in a house for Molly or Joe near the Ma, at taxpayer's expense.

Move the clinics where ?

Spanish Eyes

corner of hells wrote: »

Move the clinics where ?

Out of the city centre and tourist areas for a start. But you know this already. Any suggestions yourself? Unless you are a hard Leftie apologist you know this is the right thing to do now for the sake of our City.

I am sure someone somewhere could find a spot or two in an industrial estate or near a Traveller camp, you know, places where no one else will ever go, and not near a DART or LUAS either, make them walk, lazy gits. That is satirical, but as always has a grain of truth.

I didn't cause the junkie problem, but am paying for the fallout every day. MQI and all other clinics should not be anywhere near the city centre. Ever. But no one will speak up.

woodchuck

I walk through a not so nice area of Dublin on my way home and the amount of rubbish in that area is unreal. Today I passed a group of teenagers and one of them casually threw an empty chip bag onto the road. I would have loved to have said something to him, but I genuinely would've feared for my safety (a small woman against a gang of teenagers).

He was just so bloody casual about it though! It's not like it's difficult to find a bin, they're everywhere. Walk 10/20 minutes down the road to a better area and there is noticeably less litter.

I blame the parents. How difficult is it to teach your kids not to litter?!

corner of hells

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Out of the city centre and tourist areas for a start. But you know this already. Any suggestions yourself? Unless you are a hard Leftie apologist you know this is the right thing to do now for the sake of our City.

I am sure someone somewhere could find a spot or two in an industrial estate or near a Traveller camp, you know, places where no one else will ever go, and not near a DART or LUAS either, make them walk, lazy gits. That is satirical, but as always has a grain of truth.

I didn't cause the junkie problem, but am paying for the fallout every day. MQI and all other clinics should not be anywhere near the city centre. Ever. But no one will speak up.

I'm certainly no apologist but just saying move the "clinics" is no answer.
Logisticaly you've to move an astonishing amount of services from accommodation, clinics (I'm taking it that you mean methadone clinics) needle exchanges , specialised medical care both physical and mental health , an example would be the guide clinic .
The list is endless.
You mentioned MQI, which in itself is not a clinic.

Spanish Eyes

woodchuck wrote: »

I walk through a not so nice area of Dublin on my way home and the amount of rubbish in that area is unreal. Today I passed a group of teenagers and one of them casually threw an empty chip bag onto the road. I would have loved to have said something to him, but I genuinely would've feared for my safety (a small woman against a gang of teenagers).

He was just so bloody casual about it though! It's not like it's difficult to find a bin, they're everywhere. Walk 10/20 minutes down the road to a better area and there is noticeably less litter.

I blame the parents. How difficult is it to teach your kids not to litter?!

Lack of education and a lack of respect too. God I sound like a dyed in the wool Tory there!. But the truth is, in well maintained areas it is sustained, but where there is no sense of respect or pride in an area it just gets worse.

I honestly don't know what the answer is anymore, given the inalienable civil rights afforded to everyone no matter how they seem to behave. Or lack of enforcement of the law, I dunno.

Sad to see parts of the city decaying before our eyes. No one seems to care. Apart from people like ourselves who would really like to see someone take it in hand. But in certain areas, I think it has gone beyond the point of no return now.

Spanish Eyes

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm certainly no apologist but just saying move the "clinics" is no answer.
Logisticaly you've to move an astonishing amount of services from accommodation, clinics (I'm taking it that you mean methadone clinics) needle exchanges , specialised medical care both physical and mental health , an example would be the guide clinic .
The list is endless.
You mentioned MQI, which in itself is not a clinic.

I wasn't having a go at you personally, just to mention.

But if you cannot suggest a solution, well the clinics are here to stay within the City Centre aren't they? MQI is a methadone centre, soon to have an injection centre also. Right beside Patricks Cathedral and the Four Courts.

That cannot be sustained, it is not viable anymore. The clients are driving ordinary citizens and visitors nuts with their scumbaggery.

There are endless solutions if the will was there. But it isn't. I am unhappy about that TBH.

corner of hells

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I wasn't having a go at you personally, just to mention.

But if you cannot suggest a solution, well the clinics are here to stay within the City Centre aren't they? MQI is a methadone centre, soon to have an injection centre also. Right beside Patricks Cathedral and the Four Courts.

That cannot be sustained, it is not viable anymore. The clients are driving ordinary citizens and visitors nuts with their scumbaggery.

There are endless solutions if the will was there. But it isn't. I am unhappy about that TBH.

I can't suggest a solution , no local authority residents association etc would ever accept those services in thier localities.
MQI does not give out methadone.

Hal3000

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

When you have pride in your home and area, the place will be looked after generally speaking, even if it is from volunteers and Tidy Towns etc.

Where there is no connection to a place, or dare I say it, when some people get things for nothing, they are unlikely to care about litter or graffiti or anything like that. Always someone else's problem, never theirs even if they create it.

North City needs a bloody good makeover. But what does Owen Keegan care? He sits up there in his eyrie in Wood Quay, has use of the staff canteen, and probably has never walked the city, good and bad bits during his tenure. He was the previous incumbent in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Council. Nice job of the main street there.

They don't give a fig. It is very sad to me. Hopefully a directly elected Mayor might get the ball rolling. Sigh, another ten years for that I suppose.

Totally agree. The council are fantastic at emptying bins and driving / sitting on their holes in vans. Again ZERO accountability. I personally think street sanitation must be taken away from DCC and privatized. Use our property tax to bring the place up to scratch. They seem to be able to do it in every other country except here . We are a nation full of excuses, costs, staff, insurance etc etc...

I'm half thinking of starting a boards thread called post your pics of Dublin the Kip !!

Spanish Eyes

corner of hells wrote: »

I can't suggest a solution , no local authority residents association etc would ever accept those services in thier localities.
MQI does not give out methadone.

Ok what does the MQI centre on the Quays provide that results in fighting and police arrivals, and ambulances a lot!

As a pp mentioned, the bus stop outside MQ was moved closer to the Merchant Pub because it was so dangerous for those waiting for a bus outside it. Great solution. Make the working people suffer for the transgressions of those using a centre like MQI. They should be moved from there. Where to I don't know, will be like the Travellers, the immigrant centres, the hubs, you name it. Doesn't have to be a residential area at all.

But at the end of the day, there are places outside the city but no one will commit, maybe it is a Union issue, but I thought all those working in such centres were altruists, and would do anything to help the poor crathurs.

Thelonious Monk

Wow, the idea of methadone clinics beside halting sites and all the madness that would ensue...
mind blown.

Spanish Eyes

Hal3000 wrote: »

Totally agree. The council are fantastic at emptying bins and driving / sitting on their holes in vans. Again ZERO accountability. I personally think street sanitation must be taken away from DCC and privatized. Use our property tax to bring the place up to scratch. They seem to be able to do it in every other country except here . We are a nation full of excuses, costs, staff, insurance etc etc...

I'm half thinking of starting a boards thread called post your pics of Dublin the Kip just so your councils can see how awful the place is becoming.

Please do, and hope you get loads of pix. Then send the thread to Owen Keegan and copy to all DCC Councillors. Better get on yer bike, the local elections loom!

I don't have a vote within DCC, but that doesn't mean I don't care. In fact our Dublin Council are ace. They plant trees, clean the roads, fix potholes, they are OK IMO, always room for improvement tho!

Spanish Eyes

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Wow, the idea of methadone clinics beside halting sites and all the madness that would ensue...
mind blown.

Would be a good experiment in coalescing scumbags anyway.

cgcsb

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What annoys me is walking around some streets in town where the paths and kerbs are just in absolute bits like someone's been hammering at them with kango hammers and bulldozers. Baggot St and Merrion Row spring to mind, and South Anne St. It just looks terrible, for all the money we squander in this country you'd think they'd be able to get the little things right.
Also pedestrians are not favoured at crossings, the car is. Even at lunchtime you've to wait a bloody age on the tiny footpaths in certain parts of the city, when the streets are packed, for the lights to change so you can cross. Again Baggot St and Merrion Row are terrible for this. Lots of streets have plenty of room to accommodate bigger footpaths and cycle lanes but nothing is being done.

This times a million the streetscape mostly looks like bombsites. Even streets next to Grafton street are a patchwork of different materials at different levels. The footpath situation is arguably worse than it is Turkey. And of course cars get priority everywhere. Even the trendies on south william street have to walk in single file and stand in doorways to let others past in order to accommodate three car widths for motorists. Merrion Row is an absolute danger for pedestrians. The UN needs to step in there.

cgcsb

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Wow, the idea of methadone clinics beside halting sites and all the madness that would ensue...
mind blown.

It could be a perfect solution actually. Solved through mutual agreement.

DubInTheWest

topper75 wrote: »

Was this 'Limerick is a kip' lie purely fabricated by Dublin-based media as an attempt to deflect from Dublin issues?

What do you know first-hand about Limerick, if anything? I don't think you are 100% on Limerick either.

I know a bit about Limerick first hand. I've lived in Ballyfermot, Clondalkin and Tallaght and am well acquainted with north/south inner city Dublin. Right now I'm living and working in the west of Ireland and Limerick is an absolute pit of a place. 'Some,' parts of the city is 'ok,' but not many. I've travelled Ireland from Antrim to Derry to Cork. Limerick is like Dublin about 20 years ago with horses roaming the streets but there are dirt birds everywhere. Believe me or believe me not, it's true.

Yurt2

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I know a bit about Limerick first hand. I've lived in Ballyfermot, Clondalkin and Tallaght and am well acquainted with north/south inner city Dublin. Right now I'm living and working in the west of Ireland and Limerick is an absolute pit of a place. 'Some,' parts of the city is 'ok,' but not many. I've travelled Ireland from Antrim to Derry to Cork. Limerick is like Dublin about 20 years ago with horses roaming the streets but there are dirt birds everywhere. Believe me or believe me not, it's true.

Clearly you're a very stable genius.

Mad_maxx

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I know a bit about Limerick first hand. I've lived in Ballyfermot, Clondalkin and Tallaght and am well acquainted with north/south inner city Dublin. Right now I'm living and working in the west of Ireland and Limerick is an absolute pit of a place. 'Some,' parts of the city is 'ok,' but not many. I've travelled Ireland from Antrim to Derry to Cork. Limerick is like Dublin about 20 years ago with horses roaming the streets but there are dirt birds everywhere. Believe me or believe me not, it's true.

Limerick city Council is exceptionally useless and the standard is low nationwide

EICVD

It’s all the Guberments fault, Dublin be a grand spot if it wasn’t for that shower, probably....

jimgoose

DubInTheWest wrote: »

...Limerick is like Dublin about 20 years ago with horses roaming the streets but there are dirt birds everywhere. Believe me or believe me not, it's true.

There are no horses "roaming the streets" in Limerick, with the possible exception of Childers Road (a.k.a. the Shams-Élysées ), and that's well outside the city centre. I'll concede that Upper William Street is a bit grubby-looking these last few years, with some, shall we say, colourful denizens, but it would be a stretch all the same to describe it as in any way dangerous.