DCM 2019 - Mentored Novices Thread

rovers_runner

If anyone got as far as their shopping cart try again now, it should have your entry sitting their in a processing state.

YeaYeaSure

Just got a ticket in the last 5mins if anyone has given up maybe try again now.

kemcloughlin

niallo27 wrote: »

Anyone able to get tickets this morning

Yes me and husband did but it took a total of 2 hours!

DeepBlue

YeaYeaSure wrote: »

Just got a ticket in the last 5mins if anyone has given up maybe try again now.

Just got one even though KBC said it was sold out 40 minutes ago.

bucky08

i got my entry took two hours to go through at 11am.

Runner 79

Hi All

I will be attempting my first marathon in October.. have been gradually increasing my weekly mileage since last March. I have ran 60km last week.The week before I ran 35 km..I have not been using any training plan. I originally had never even considered a marathon but as my weekly mileage continued to rise I decided to sign up for the Galway bay run in October.

I have a half marathon best of 1:44.

I sweat a lot when out running and am wondering how good running gels are?
The last month I have attempted to run the full marathon distance but have hit a wall at mile 20 and stopped each time..all though the route I have been running has a lot of hills.

I find running a lot of hills are a good help in training. Maybe I will try a flatter route the next time I try to run all of the 26miles.

Just wanted to share my experience with marathon training so far..Apologies for the random post!

skyblue46

Runner 79 wrote: »

Hi All

I will be attempting my first marathon in October.. have been gradually increasing my weekly mileage since last March. I have ran 60km last week.The week before I ran 35 km..I have not been using any training plan. I originally had never even considered a marathon but as my weekly mileage continued to rise I decided to sign up for the Galway bay run in October.

I have a half marathon best of 1:44.

I sweat a lot when out running and am wondering how good running gels are?
The last month I have attempted to run the full marathon distance but have hit a wall at mile 20 and stopped each time..all though the route I have been running has a lot of hills.

I find running a lot of hills are a good help in training. Maybe I will try a flatter route the next time I try to run all of the 26miles.

Just wanted to share my experience with marathon training so far..Apologies for the random post!

Well done so far but get on a plan, any plan. To even consider running 26 miles in training is totally barking mad! :pac: In fact to be running 20 while still months away from target marathon is only putting undue stress on the body.

Huzzah!

Runner 79 wrote: »

Hi All

I will be attempting my first marathon in October.. have been gradually increasing my weekly mileage since last March. I have ran 60km last week.The week before I ran 35 km..I have not been using any training plan. I originally had never even considered a marathon but as my weekly mileage continued to rise I decided to sign up for the Galway bay run in October.

I have a half marathon best of 1:44.

I sweat a lot when out running and am wondering how good running gels are?
The last month I have attempted to run the full marathon distance but have hit a wall at mile 20 and stopped each time..all though the route I have been running has a lot of hills.

I find running a lot of hills are a good help in training. Maybe I will try a flatter route the next time I try to run all of the 26miles.

Just wanted to share my experience with marathon training so far..Apologies for the random post!

Hi Runner 79 and welcome. Have a look at the plans in the opening post and see if you like the look of either. I'd recommend taking a structured approach to training for the marathon and it's not too late to start following a plan. The Boards plan looks like it might be a good fit. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding your post, but please don't run 26 miles all at once in training. Leave that to the day itself.

Huzzah!

kemcloughlin wrote: »

Hi,

I am a bit late to this! Just saw it on Facebook...and have spent hours going through all the posts so far. Looks brilliant.

Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)

I am very very new to running. I am 42 and started last year, running my first 5K on my own on January 1st. Since then I have become hooked. I am slow!

Best 5K road race 7th June 31:31
Best Templemore Parkrun 22nd June 32:12
Best 6k road race 26th May Kyle GAA 40:24
Best 10K 16th June Kildare Thoroughbred 1:05:33

5K time gone from 37 to 31:31 since January.

Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
No

How much training do you currently do ? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
I have just finished week 5 of the DCM training plan - advanced section. So I am currently running 4-5 times a week.

What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
To put that medal around my neck

How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
As above.

What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up?
Injury.

Why are you running this marathon?
I have lost 51/2 stone since October and running is so new to me - this would be a massive achievement.

Strava Profile - can I join the group please? Kathy McLoughlin is the profile if anyone wants to follow it.

Welcome to the thread. Losing 5.5stone is an incredible achievement. Well done.

kemcloughlin wrote: »

Yes me and husband did but it took a total of 2 hours!

Yay!

Runner 79

Maybe it is crazy but I just feel like I need to know I can run the full distance..

I run all year around not just to sign up for races It's a way of life for me and I love running.
Will have a look at training plans but I just feel like going back to week one of a training plan would be a backwards step for me.

Thanks for your feedback

skyblue46

Just curious to know if there were any fallers at the get an entry hurdle. It seemed that quite a few of those on the thread were waiting on getting an entry today.

Huzzah!

pd79 wrote: »

Week 1 review

Week one went well, did 25k over three runs, found run on sat difficult with heat, need to go out earlier in day. Also need to drink more water

Took it easy on all runs, hoping for 5hr or just under for marathon, doing lsr at 7;00 pace, and midweek runs at 6:45, would this be about right ?
I did dream about marathon all night Friday night, dreamt I couldnt find start line, got lost etc! Had bit of a mental wobble thinking I wont be up to the challenge, but I'm just going to take it one run at a time .
Here's to week two!

I think you're running too fast. If you put it into context: a 5 hour marathon is approx 7:00/km - so your runs are all at PMP or quicker. Try and slow your runs right down.

mutley18

skyblue46 wrote: »

Just curious to know if there were any fallers at the get an entry hurdle. It seemed that quite a few of those on the thread were waiting on getting an entry today.

I have been silenty taking part in this thread as I didnt want to get involved until my entry was confirmed. I had no luck today with that shambles so good luck to all who did!

Would anyone recommend another marathon at home or abroad late this year or early next year?

Singer

rovers_runner wrote: »

Bit of a joke, seeing they let a number of their mates register yesterday morning on the qt.
Would be interested to know which running clubs were tipped off about the "system testing" yesterday morning....

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

There's nothing to suggest that it wasn't a simple mistake. There's not a conspiracy against you. The volunteers that run DCM run a spectacular event that is now massively over-subscribed.

Huzzah!

Runner 79 wrote: »

Maybe it is crazy but I just feel like I need to know I can run the full distance..

I run all year around not just to sign up for races It's a way of life for me and I love running.
Will have a look at training plans but I just feel like going back to week one of a training plan would be a backwards step for me.

Thanks for your feedback

It might be a step back but it might also be a step forward. Good luck with it anyway!

Singer

rovers_runner wrote: »

I don't have an interest in entering but it's very unfair on those who do.
If they have put their hands up last night and said they've sold 1000 or more of the remaining entries at least people could set their expectations.

Funny how Cork Athletics groups had a chance to notify people about the secret testing time yesterday.....

Of course as soon as it was noticed news quickly went around the various running groups via Whatsapp etc. - why wouldn't it?

Runner 79

Huzzah! wrote: »

It might be a step back but it might also be a step forward. Good luck with it anyway!

Thanks Huzzah 😄

Huzzah!

DBB wrote: »

Well done everyone... One week down, 17 to go! Eek!
Can I ask our fab experts... I've deviated a bit from the start of the marathon plan, in that I signed up for the Clontarf Half next Saturday, as a goal to get my miles up over the past few months for the start of the marathon block itself. It'll be the furthest I'll ever have run in one go, ever!
I've been following the HHN1 half marathon plan, but due to starting it a little earlier, I've upped my lsr to just short of 18km yesterday... Rightly or wrongly There has been a nice, gradual build-up to this point.
Now... I'm categorically not one of the people running too fast as I'm training to heart rate, which dictates my speed, and I know I'll never set the world on fire with my paces anyway! I'm a plodder, and that's fine with me
Anyway, my question is this... Once I get next week's HM under my belt (hopefully!), how do I go about merging back into the marathon plan? I plan to follow the HHN1 Marathon plan.
For instance, do I drop my mileage to fit with the HH plan? Or not?! I assume I'll drop the miles in the week after the HM at least, to recover. But what then?

Can I also ask, what intervals do you guys advise taking gels during long runs?

I'm very tempted to adopt the Bananaleaf Method for race reporting... Hopefully I'll have something to report on next week! Eek again!

Thanks all!

Take a down week after the half - you'll be glad of it. Are you plan on doing the Race Series 10k?

pd79

Huzzah! wrote: »

I think you're running too fast. If you put it into context: a 5 hour marathon is approx 7:00/km - so your runs are all at PMP or quicker. Try and slow your runs right down.

Will do , cheers

DBB

Huzzah! wrote: »

Take a down week after the half - you'll be glad of it. Are you plan on doing the Race Series 10k?

Thanks Huzzah!
It's not in the plan to be honest. I did the Women's Mini Marathon at the start of June. I'm in for the Clontarf HM next week, then I'm thinking of the Tullamore HM on Aug 31st, which is 3 weeks ahead of the DCM Race Series HM, I'm trying to make life easier for myself as Tullamore is way easier for me to get to!
Finally, I'm in for the Longwood Three Quarters Marathon, which tallies with the longest LSR on the HHN1 plan.
How does that sound?

Huzzah!

DBB wrote: »

Thanks Huzzah!
It's not in the plan to be honest. I did the Women's Mini Marathon at the start of June. I'm in for the Clontarf HM next week, then I'm thinking of the Tullamore HM on Aug 31st, which is 3 weeks ahead of the DCM Race Series HM, I'm trying to make life easier for myself as Tullamore is way easier for me to get to!
Finally, I'm in for the Longwood Three Quarters Marathon, which tallies with the longest LSR on the HHN1 plan.
How does that sound?

That's fine - it's definitely not compulsory. I just needed to know so that I could advise on how to structure your week. I'll have a wee think and be back

Unknownability

DBB wrote: »

Thanks Huzzah!
It's not in the plan to be honest. I did the Women's Mini Marathon at the start of June. I'm in for the Clontarf HM next week, then I'm thinking of the Tullamore HM on Aug 31st, which is 3 weeks ahead of the DCM Race Series HM, I'm trying to make life easier for myself as Tullamore is way easier for me to get to!
Finally, I'm in for the Longwood Three Quarters Marathon, which tallies with the longest LSR on the HHN1 plan.
How does that sound?

I have the same issue, I'm not doing the race series either and doing Tullamore instead.

Currently regigging the plan to suit, ie take out the slow down leading up to the 10k and then switching week leading up to the half around.

Mr. Guappa

Unknownability wrote: »

I have the same issue, I'm not doing the race series either and doing Tullamore instead.

Currently regigging the plan to suit, ie take out the slow down leading up to the 10k and then switching week leading up to the half around.

Ahead of the weeks that have races in the plans, we will also give adjusted weeks for those not partaking in the races. I wouldn't do too much rejigging, stay on plan, and the week of Tullamore we can advise how to adjust that particular week.

Unknownability

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Ahead of the weeks that have races in the plans, we will also give adjusted weeks for those not partaking in the races. I wouldn't do too much rejigging, stay on plan, and the week of Tullamore we can advise how to adjust that particular week.

Thanks, Is that a differnet tab on the spreadsheet in post 1?

Mr. Guappa

Unknownability wrote: »

Thanks, Is that a differnet tab on the spreadsheet in post 1?

It's not on the spreadsheet, we'll just post it on the thread the Sunday before. The week of the 10k I think the plans just have a 13 mile LSR (boards) or 9 mile LSR (HHN1) replacing the 10k race.

kemcloughlin

Wondering if you can help answer wondering thoughts... I am following the DCM advanced plan... this week it’s

Monday rest
Tuesday 4-6 miles
Weds 4-6 miles + 5x50 strides
Thursday 4-6 miles
Friday rest
Saturday 4 miles
Sunday 8-10 miles

The problem is - I have booked a sports deep tissue massage for Friday night and on Saturday I have the Roscommon 10 mile race.

Questions: How best should I rejig my week? Is it ok to proceed with the massage the night before the 10 miler? I am guessing I just swop Sat and Sun around? And I know you are going to tell me that Roscommon should be done 1 min per mile slower than PMP?

Huzzah!

Huzzah! wrote: »

That's fine - it's definitely not compulsory. I just needed to know so that I could advise on how to structure your week. I'll have a wee think and be back

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

It's not on the spreadsheet, we'll just post it on the thread the Sunday before. The week of the 10k I think the plans just have a 13 mile LSR (boards) or 9 mile LSR (HHN1) replacing the 10k race.

DBB, I think if you take an easy week the week after the half, then it won’t be too much of a step back to jump into the marathon plan the following week.

kyomi

Well done and best of luck to all those who got marathon entries this morning.

Last week's training went fine - 27 miles in total including an 11-mile long run (was meant to be 10 but I ended up a bit further from my house than I'd calculated...).

I was put in touch with a group who are running about my pace (10.20 and slower) for the long runs so I went out with them on Sunday and really enjoyed it. Up to now I've been doing most of the long runs on my own because whenever I would run with clubmates I always ended up speeding up without even realising it. So it's nice to have a choice of running with company again!

Next week I'm planning a speed or hill session on Tuesday, short easy run Wednesday, longer easy run Thursday, rest Friday, easy parkrun Saturday and a 14 mile long run on Sunday. The Sunday run will be the longest I've done in a couple of years, but I've done 13 a couple of times so it should be fine. Looking forward to getting stuck in to the plan for a second week!

mister paul

A quick question for those more experienced than I with this whole marathon thing, I'm following the meno plan after talking to people from these parts who've used it before and reckon I'll be able for it. Just starting week 2 now.

My 5k PB (May '19) is 19:44 (also ran 19:46 in the same month)

Based on the "more accurate" marathon calculator (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/marathon-calculator/) and a plan that should average 44 miles per week during marathon training, I should be able to run a 3:24 marathon. That's a pace of about 7:47 per mile.

The general consensus seems to be that other calculators are relatively accurate for every distance up to and including half-marathon but they have me running about 3:10 for the marathon (not a snowballs hope in hell of hitting that).

So my question, should my 10k, 10m and HM target paces be derived using my 5k time on the tinman calculator, or should I enter the project 538 marathon time into tinman and use that as a basis to get the other paces?

Or is there a third way of calculating them that I haven't considered?

There's a fairly big difference between working up from 5k and down from marathon (Project 538 estimate).

Distance|Project 538|Pace|Tinman|Pace
26.2|3:23:59|7:47|3:09:59|7:15
13.1|1:37:57|7:28|1:31:14|6:57
10m|1:13:19|7:19|1:08:18|6:49
10k|44:08|7:06|41:06|6:36

Hope the question makes sense to someone...

cumminsciaran

Late to the party so hope its ok posting this now?

•Have you raced before?
I have done various race distances mainly 5Km and 10Km (Raheny 5mile is my favourite) and I completed the DCM 1/2 marathon last year, my longest race but I have completed this distance during training a few times.
Recent PBs are as follows 5Km 20:58 2018 (21:16 May19)
10Km 46:54 2018
1/2 Marathon 01:47:18(Date and distance please!)

•Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training?
No
•I'm training anywhere between 2 and 5 times a week. I'm working shift and find it very hard on nights to get motivated to do anything. I run anything from 3 miles to 10 miles at present at varied paces. Tempos are usually 3 to 5 miles @ 7:30-8:00 Min/Mile, LSR done @ 8:30-9:00 Min/Mile, Hills done at 6 Min/Mile and 400s @ 1 min:20secs. Cross training is non existent, and on my long weeks working motivation is very low. I think I could be preforming a lot better than I am with the right mindset.
• I would love to hit 3:30:00 but realistically I'm probably looking at 4 hours or sub 4, third goal if all goes horribly wrong is to just finish.
•Realistically 4 days but I can push that to 5 on my short weeks if not six and then 3 on my long week working. Looking at the Intermediate plan so far but as I have never tackled this sort of training it is very hard to make your mind up as not every plan will suit everyone.
•My biggest fear is not finishing. Or making a bags of my training and feeling like I could have given/done more
•I used to follow my dad around the road running circuit when we were kids and after giving up athletics in my early teens I though now was as good a time as any to get back into it and do some of the races my dad did