Public/Private worker gap to grow

Pkiernan

Public so called workers to get full parental pay for 7 weeks while us idiots in the private sector will just get the dole equivalent.

WTF is this government doing?

dresden8

Pkiernan wrote: »

Public so called workers to get full parental pay for 7 weeks while us idiots in the private sector will just get the dole equivalent.

WTF is this government doing?

You should get a better job.

Yer Da sells Avon

dresden8 wrote: »

You should get a better job.

Or unionise and demand a livable level of parental pay.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Rabble, rabble, rabble.

Nothing is stopping private sector employers from topping up their employees wages, but many of them obviously won't do that.

It isn't up to the Government to make sure their employees get no more than those in private enterprise.

Yurt2

So-called post by a so-called boards user. This is my so-called reply.

Pkiernan

Easy to spot the lefty unemployed or underemployed on boards!

Shame on you.

MrFresh

Great news. The more time parents can spend with their children during their formative years the better for everyone.

Yurt2

Pkiernan wrote: »

Easy to spot the lefty unemployed or underemployed on boards!

Shame on you.

Gainfully employed my so-called friend. Maybe you need a so-called hobby, might take the so-called edge off.

Yer Da sells Avon

Pkiernan wrote: »

Easy to spot the lefty unemployed or underemployed on boards!

Shame on you.

I work six days a week for the private sector. Does it bother me that I don't reap the same rewards as people doing the same job in the public sector? Yes, it does a bit, but I'm not about to start whining like a baby about a situation that I walked into with my eyes open, and could walk out of tomorrow if I wanted to.

WoollyRedHat

Pkiernan wrote: »

Public so called workers to get full parental pay for 7 weeks while us idiots in the private sector will just get the dole equivalent.

WTF is this government doing?

Do you know how many people are classified as Public Sector workers in Ireland? Or about diversifications that exist in terms of work they do? No you don't have a clue I imagine, because you are playing one of the most tired tropes that has ever existed in Irish public discourse.

dxhound2005

Pkiernan wrote: »

Public so called workers to get full parental pay for 7 weeks while us idiots in the private sector will just get the dole equivalent.

WTF is this government doing?

When did this start? And what is parental pay?

mad muffin

*shrugs* my sprog producing days are behind me…

Abba987

dxhound2005 wrote: »

When did this start? And what is parental pay?

I've never heard of 7 weeks paid parental pay

AndrewJRenko

Pkiernan wrote: »

WTF is this government doing?

Supporting parents to raise their families at a difficult time perhaps?

But if you do want to compare public and private, make sure you do a full comparison. Make sure you include all those benefits that white collar workers have, include work from home (aka cutting the grass time), health insurance, disability insurance etc.

ToddyDoody

Yurt! wrote: »

Gainfully employed my so-called friend. Maybe you need a so-called hobby, might take the so-called edge off.

'I should never have taught him that word'

Fann Linn

Plenty of jobs going in the public sector.

Publicjobs.ie»»»»»

janfebmar

Abba987 wrote: »

I've never heard of 7 weeks paid parental pay

Surely if public sector employees are to get that, paid out of general taxation, then private sector employees and self employed will GET THE SAME PAY out of general taxation?

Like hell they will.

If it's any consolation to the OP and his spectacularly benighted worldview the vast majority of the 300,000 "lefties" who constitute Ireland's public sector pay an extra 10%, or more, per annum in tax than other PAYE taxpayers do. Time to google PRD/ASC.

It is, nevertheless, a really extraordinarily special kind of special to focus on other PAYE workers when there are hundreds of thousands of "cash in the hand" members of Ireland's self-employed sector for whom tax evasion is an integral part of their business model. Start with tradesmen, move on to structural engineers, architects, medical doctors, all owners of retail businesses...

mooreman09

Pkiernan wrote: »

Public so called workers to get full parental pay for 7 weeks while us idiots in the private sector will just get the dole equivalent.

WTF is this government doing?

Stop whinging. I'm in the private sector and doing fine. You get what you put in. Plenty of opportunities and rewards. Stop comparing yourself to others and do your best.

Weak.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Pkiernan wrote: »

Public so called workers to get full parental pay for 7 weeks while us idiots in the private sector will just get the dole equivalent.

WTF is this government doing?

You need to take it up with your employer. Two of our family, who are Private Sector workers, got full pay less the amount of the Paternity Benefit payment.

janfebmar

Ronnie Tiny Warden wrote: »

You need to take it up with your employer.

Most small businesses cannot afford to give their employees an extra 7 weeks holidays on full pay. And will the government pay self employed and businesses the same as it does its own employees for these extra holidays? No.

Abba987

janfebmar wrote: »

Surely if public sector employees are to get that, paid out of general taxation, then private sector employees and self employed will GET THE SAME PAY out of general taxation?

Like hell they will.

But are they getting It? Genuine question

Your Face

All whinge and no action.

TheValeyard

mad muffin wrote: »

*shrugs* my sprog producing days are behind me…

I prefer the term 'Ballbag Gremlins'

PhoenixParker

Pkiernan wrote: »

Public so called workers to get full parental pay for 7 weeks while us idiots in the private sector will just get the dole equivalent.

WTF is this government doing?

Source?

Fann Linn

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Source?

A wild imagination.

banie01

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

I prefer the term 'Ballbag Gremlins'

Crotch goblin is my personal favourite

B.A._Baracus

Hey op
Stop moaning and get a job in the public sector if it bothers you that much.

You're all the same. Moan moan moan about what others are getting. But don't tell me, when posed with the obvious question of why don't you do the same you like to reply with "*moan* why I do I have to it's not fair"

Life ain't fair.

TheValeyard

banie01 wrote: »

Crotch goblin is my personal favourite

That's the one! Reddit pic?

banie01

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

That's the one! Reddit pic?

Yep!

Pkiernan

Ronnie Tiny Warden wrote: »

You need to take it up with your employer. Two of our family, who are Private Sector workers, got full pay less the amount of the Paternity Benefit payment.

I'm very well paid and not in need of this additional free money for civil servants.

It is nonetheless disgraceful that a sector of our workforce gets every gold plated benefit going, while the hard working private sector tax payer foot their bills.

But hey, dont worry, the ultra hard left never let the facts get in the way of their opinion.

Pkiernan

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Source?

Here ya go friend:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/alarm-at-cost-of-7week-paid-parental-leave-38035345.html

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Pkiernan wrote: »

I'm very well paid and not in need of this additional free money for civil servants.

It is nonetheless disgraceful that a sector of our workforce gets every gold plated benefit going, while the hard working private sector tax payer foot their bills.

But hey, dont worry, the ultra hard left never let the facts get in the way of their opinion.

suicide_circus

anything that encourages working people rather than non working people to have kids is to be applauded

Still waters

suicide_circus wrote: »

anything that encourages working people rather than non working people to have kids is to be applauded

Indeed, its just a pity that encouragement is directed only at certain sections of society instead of evenly distributed throughout, when it's more beneficial for certain individuals to stay at home and remain in a perpetual state of pregnancy then it becomes a very hard pill to swallow for squeezed private sector drones

suicide_circus

could there be an issue constitutionally? are all the children of the state not meant to be valued equally?

This thread exists merely to troll public sector workers for the sake of it. Maybe OP should do without public services altogether, eg fire brigade, ambulance etc etc etc. it’s always possible to live on an offshore island with minimal call upon public services.

dxhound2005

Pkiernan wrote: »

Here ya go friend:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/alarm-at-cost-of-7week-paid-parental-leave-38035345.html

Where does it say that it is for public sector only?

Teddy Daniels

suicide_circus wrote: »

could there be an issue constitutionally? are all the children of the state not meant to be valued equally?

Short answer is no. The main reason is that they are all being treated equally but their parents are sometimes being paid more.

If I was in the public sector doing my job I’d be on 50-60% less. Fair enough I’d have flexitime and better pension and holidays and full pay for 6 weeks instead of 245 per week.

There’s never a thread about google employees getting skateboards or Abbott employees getting shares.

relax carry on

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Where does it say that it is for public sector only?

Checked another older article and can't find any mention of it being for public sector only.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/parents-of-newborns-to-get-seven-weeks-paid-leave-each-by-2021-1.3702969

You seem to have issues with the public sector in general OP. Care to share?

janfebmar

Pkiernan wrote: »

I'm very well paid and not in need of this additional free money for civil servants.

It is nonetheless disgraceful that a sector of our workforce gets every gold plated benefit going, while the hard working private sector tax payer foot their bills.

Correct, footing the bills without the pension or security.

TCM

Pkiernan wrote:

Public so called workers to get full parental pay for 7 weeks while us idiots in the private sector will just get the dole equivalent.

'...so called workers...' The next time you or your kin urgently need a nurse, a doctor, a garda, a fireman, a paramedic etc, etc., call somebody in the private sector.

AndrewJRenko

Pkiernan wrote: »

I'm very well paid and not in need of this additional free money for civil servants.

It is nonetheless disgraceful that a sector of our workforce gets every gold plated benefit going, while the hard working private sector tax payer foot their bills.

But hey, dont worry, the ultra hard left never let the facts get in the way of their opinion.

Tell us more about these gold plated benefits? Civil servants have no health insurance, no disability insurance, no bonus, no Christmas party or nights out.

What gold plated benefits are you talking about?

TCM

janfebmar wrote:

Correct, footing the bills without the pension or security.

Tough, my heart is bleeding for private sector workers.

TCM

TCM wrote: »

'...so called workers...' The next time you or your kin urgently need a nurse, a doctor, a garda, a fireman, a paramedic etc, etc., call somebody in the private sector.

Get over yourself. Those people are well paid for their jobs and are more than willing to go on strike if they want to. Then do we call them?

If you want food, clothing or fuel, then you can call nurse, a doctor, a garda, a fireman, a paramedic etc, etc. Oh wait...

We should be extremely grateful those lowest paid slaves working picking spuds off the ground for example aren't all out on strike starving the rest of us out of it. They are the real heroes in modern society.

How much would a nurse do on an empty stomach?

They certainly wouldn't do much for the wages food and retail staff are on. That's the real wealth gap.

enricoh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This thread exists merely to troll public sector workers for the sake of it. Maybe OP should do without public services altogether, eg fire brigade, ambulance etc etc etc. it’s always possible to live on an offshore island with minimal call upon public services.

I doubt the op wishes to do without public services altogether. However public servants in ireland get paid 40% more than private sector workers. In the uk its 1%. Instead of closing that gap the government is giving even more benefits. Unfair and unsustainable.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/dan-obrien-how-the-government-continues-to-prioritise-public-sector-pay-levels-above-all-else-37368536.html&ved=2ahUKEwjI_ryZg-LhAhXnXhUIHUz8BGEQFjACegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw0bGr2cdjc7mQhnBf7qmBib&ampcf=1

Wildly Boaring

Public and semi state hiring like crazy right now.

Easy to get in during a rising economy. Impossible in a recession.

May get the CV polished up if public sector is all that.

Keeping the eye open myself but my private sector job pays a bit too well in comparison.

Twenty Grand

janfebmar wrote: »

Correct, footing the bills without the pension or security.

Ehh, then just get a pension?

I'm private and I get pension, bonus, shares and health.
Far better than any public servant doing an equivalent job.

If your job conditions are sh*t then work to get a better job. Don't whinge that others are doing better than you are.

Wanderer78

Twenty Grand wrote:

If your job conditions are sh*t then work to get a better job. Don't whinge that others are doing better than you are.

Unfortunately we don't live in a society of equal opportunities, some will always have poorer opportunities of employment and pay

AndrewJRenko

salonfire wrote: »

Those people are well paid for their jobs and are more than willing to go on strike if they want to. Then do we call them?

More than willing? Do you think any nurse or teacher or paramedic wants to spend their days walking up and down outside in the pi$$ings of rain with no pay instead of doing their paid job inside? Strikes are a last resort.

And yes, if you need the nurse or the paramedic when you're on strike, you do still call them - because they always continue to provide emergency service during strikes.

salonfire wrote: »

We should be extremely grateful those lowest paid slaves working picking spuds off the ground for example aren't all out on strike starving the rest of us out of it. They are the real heroes in modern society.

How much would a nurse do on an empty stomach?

Maybe we should be encouraging the lowest paid slaves to organise and unionise so they can make sure they get decent working conditions instead?

salonfire wrote: »

They certainly wouldn't do much for the wages food and retail staff are on. That's the real wealth gap.

Yes, that's the gap all right - the gap between jobs that require three or four years of college, supervised work placement, regulated continuous professional development and the risk of going to prison if you screw up and jobs that can be done by a 17 year old between 5th year and 6th year.

Why would you expect the wages of unqualified roles and roles that require professional qualifications to be the same?

AndrewJRenko

enricoh wrote: »

I doubt the op wishes to do without public services altogether. However public servants in ireland get paid 40% more than private sector workers. In the uk its 1%. Instead of closing that gap the government is giving even more benefits. Unfair and unsustainable.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/dan-obrien-how-the-government-continues-to-prioritise-public-sector-pay-levels-above-all-else-37368536.html&ved=2ahUKEwjI_ryZg-LhAhXnXhUIHUz8BGEQFjACegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw0bGr2cdjc7mQhnBf7qmBib&ampcf=1

The problem with Dan O'Brien articles in the Indo (and most articles that mention 'public sector' in the Indo) is that you need to dig behind the details.

Bland comparisons between UK and Irish public sector staff is comparing apples and oranges. The UK have outsourced many traditional public sector jobs, so prison officers, healthcare staff, school support staff in the UK will often be private sector. So the comparisons don't really hold.

But Dan is quite happy to gloss over this.

This proposal is exactly the same as maternity leave. The state provides a basic level of service, and decent employers (public or private) top this up.

Sorry if the facts don't suit those who want to fuel false division.