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Extinction Rebellion Ireland

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    #2372
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,006 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    blinding wrote: »
    Is there an argument that only taxis ( perhaps electric ) should be used inside say City Limits or some set area in cities ?

    Yes, but you just know that when you get the call to pick up the three supermodels, it will be 2 mins into your 30min charging session.


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    #2373
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    blinding wrote: »
    Is there an argument that only taxis ( perhaps electric ) should be used inside say City Limits or some set area in cities ?

    That has been proposed a few times, with magnetic induction chargers built into the taxi ranks to keep them topped up.


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    #2374
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    That has been proposed a few times, with magnetic induction chargers built into the taxi ranks to keep them topped up.
    It would be a nice experiment to try for a city . Public transport would have to be very good as well obviously .


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    #2375
    runawaybishop
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    blinding wrote: »
    It would be a nice experiment to try for a city . Public transport would have to be very good as well obviously .

    Yeah, similarly there was discussion of induction chargers at intersections/traffic lights to recharge electric automated buses that just do simple loops. I know a few cities have trialled electric automated buses successfully


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    #2376
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Shorts and bikini protest planned by the XR hive mind in response to what it interpreted as Leo Varadkar making a joke of their religion. Not looking forward to the sight of emaciated vegan cult members nearly in the nip.


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    #2377
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Shorts and bikini protest planned by the XR hive mind in response to what it interpreted as Leo Varadkar making a joke of their religion. Not looking forward to the sight of emaciated vegan cult members nearly in the nip.

    in this weather? at this latitude? at this time of year?


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    #2378
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    in this weather? at this latitude? at this time of year?

    It should be funny. They are cold misfortunes at the best of times, they won't even work to warm themselves, I can imagine how baltic they are going to be standing around in shorts and bikinis in November like a bunch of demented wallys. They will have to put a pot of lentil soup on standby.


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    #2379
    mgn
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    Meanwhile in New Delhi the pollution is so bad that planes can't land and have to be divided, schools closed and people told to stay indoors if the can.
    Why don't the go out there and protest,


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    #2380
    Plumbthedepths
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    mgn wrote: »
    Meanwhile in New Delhi the pollution is so bad that planes can't land and have to be divided, schools closed and people told to stay indoors if the can.
    Why don't the go out there and protest,

    Because that would actually make sense, you are talking about morons that stopped mass public transport.


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    #2381
    is_that_so
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    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Yeah, similarly there was discussion of induction chargers at intersections/traffic lights to recharge electric automated buses that just do simple loops. I know a few cities have trialled electric automated buses successfully
    Long way from there. Let's get the actual upgrade to the network right first!


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    #2382
    Harika
    Registered Users Posts: 4,430 ✭✭✭Harika


    mgn wrote: »
    Meanwhile in New Delhi the pollution is so bad that planes can't land and have to be divided, schools closed and people told to stay indoors if the can.
    Why don't the go out there and protest,

    Yeah it makes sense to fly across the globe to protest in a foreign country, to a government that you cannot vote for :rolleyes: They will take you seriously :pac:


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    #2383
    blinding
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    Harika wrote: »
    Yeah it makes sense to fly across the globe to protest in a foreign country, to a government that you cannot vote for :rolleyes: They will take you seriously :pac:
    I hope greta and her handlers take note and Stop Making Un-Necessary Journeys .


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    #2384
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    ...don't take risks on (metaphorical) treacherous roads, AND DON'T SWIM IN THE SEA!!


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    #2385
    SeanW
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    Harika wrote: »
    Yeah it makes sense to fly across the globe to protest in a foreign country, to a government that you cannot vote for :rolleyes: They will take you seriously :pac:
    Why not? Al Gore, Leonardo DiCaprio etc fly all around the world on private jets all the time to lecture us mere mortals about the need to save the planet from global warming ...


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    #2386
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    SeanW wrote: »
    Why not? Al Gore, Leonardo DiCaprio etc fly all around the world on private jets all the time to lecture us mere mortals about the need to save the planet from global warming ...
    You can’t really take anyone seriously on Climate Change unless they are buzzing around in a Private Jet . Somebody is kidding Somebody :eek::eek:


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    #2387
    Robert_Beach
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Robert_Beach


    We need to stop/cut-back on

    - eating meat
    - going abroad
    - driving solo journeys

    I think that peer pressure could be a great tool to achieve this. Drink driving used to be fine and dandy but now it's mostly unacceptable to modern ears. We need to make it the same for people going on "city breaks". Shame the funk out of them


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    #2388
    AlphabetCards
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    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    We need to stop/cut-back on

    - eating meat
    - going abroad
    - driving solo journeys

    I think that peer pressure could be a great tool to achieve this. Drink driving used to be fine and dandy but now it's mostly unacceptable to modern ears. We need to make it the same for people going on "city breaks". Shame the funk out of them

    I don't mean to come across as some American lover of 'democracy', but you are looking to limit peoples freedom of movement with some of this. People should be free to move wherever they want. I'm not willing to give up driving solo journeys, eating meat of going abroad, because I know that the politicians, the wealthy upper classes and the intelligentsia will in no way,shape or form conform to these rules. It will be the classic 'one rule for them, one rule for us', mark my words. When you start putting boundaries on freedom of movement, you are writing off your progeny's right to see the world.


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    #2389
    Robert_Beach
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Robert_Beach


    AlphabetCards wrote: »
    I don't mean to come across as some American lover of 'democracy', but you are looking to limit peoples freedom of movement with some of this.

    Ideally I'd love the following:

    You live in Cork and want to go to Dublin? Get a train or bus.
    You want to go to England? We need low carbon boats and sailing ships to facilitate that.
    You want to have a weekend shopping trip in New York? Nope.

    But realistically we can use social forces to shape behavior. I'd like to see people ostracised, looked down on and ignored for say going on holiday to Spain.


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    #2390
    AlphabetCards
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    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    Ideally I'd love the following:

    You live in Cork and want to go to Dublin? Get a train or bus.
    You want to go to England? We need low carbon boats and sailing ships to facilitate that.
    You want to have a weekend shopping trip in New York? Nope.

    But realistically we can use social forces to shape behavior. I'd like to see people ostracised, looked down on and ignored for say going on holiday to Spain.

    People like you ruin the movement.


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    #2391
    Plumbthedepths
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    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    Ideally I'd love the following:

    You live in Cork and want to go to Dublin? Get a train or bus.
    You want to go to England? We need low carbon boats and sailing ships to facilitate that.
    You want to have a weekend shopping trip in New York? Nope.

    But realistically we can use social forces to shape behavior. I'd like to see people ostracised, looked down on and ignored for say going on holiday to Spain.

    You should keep promoting that nonsense, does your agenda great harm. ;-)


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    #2392
    Robert_Beach
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Robert_Beach


    AlphabetCards wrote: »
    People like you ruin the movement.

    I'm sure 30 years ago the same was said about the local Gard who actually manned a checkpoint near the local on a Saturday night.


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    #2393
    Robert_Beach
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Robert_Beach


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You should keep promoting that nonsense, does your agenda great harm. ;-)

    Trying to stop the collapse of civilisation as we know it. My agenda.


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    #2394
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    Trying to stop the collapse of civilisation as we know it. My agenda.

    Hyperbolic bull****, well done keep it up.


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    #2395
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    Ideally I'd love the following:

    You live in Cork and want to go to Dublin? Get a train or bus.
    You want to go to England? We need low carbon boats and sailing ships to facilitate that.
    You want to have a weekend shopping trip in New York? Nope.

    But realistically we can use social forces to shape behavior. I'd like to see people ostracised, looked down on and ignored for say going on holiday to Spain.
    Intolerance is not the way to go. Some of these might work for a very small number but your plan seems to be to ostracise anyone who doesn't conform. Maybe we could send them for re-education!


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    #2396
    Beechwoodspark
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    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    Ideally I'd love the following:

    You live in Cork and want to go to Dublin? Get a train or bus.
    You want to go to England? We need low carbon boats and sailing ships to facilitate that.
    You want to have a weekend shopping trip in New York? Nope.

    But realistically we can use social forces to shape behavior. I'd like to see people ostracised, looked down on and ignored for say going on holiday to Spain.

    +1 on this

    Aviation needs to be green taxed much more than it is currently. Taxes on the carriers, the airports, and green levies on every ticket.

    Dublin airport needs to be wound down gradually until carbon neutral solutions found. No new routes!

    Consign the on a whim cheap bookings to history

    Solar powered passenger ships are the coming thing in transport. We will see a big revival in maritime passenger travel over the coming years.

    And agree regarding private cars. Tax them and makes public transport accessible and efficient for most travel.


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    #2397
    NIMAN
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    Does anyone know how much it would cost the governmemt if they said "for 2020 all public transport will be free ".

    Try it for one year, see if the public buy into it.


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    #2398
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    +1 on this

    Aviation needs to be green taxed much more than it is currently. Taxes on the carrier, the airports, and green levies on every ticket.

    Solar powered passenger ships are the coming thing in transport. We will see a big revival in maritime passenger travel over the coming years.

    And agree regarding private cars. Tax them and makes public transport accessible and efficient for most travel.
    Aviation sure, ships it's actually the cargo fleets that need to be targeted. Can't see too many people opting for extended boast trips, especially on the Irish Sea in winter! On cars you have the order wrong and the premise too as the oncoming EV revolution will put paid to the emissions issue.


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    #2399
    Plumbthedepths
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    +1 on this

    Aviation needs to be green taxed much more than it is currently. Taxes on the carriers, the airports, and green levies on every ticket.

    Dublin airport needs to be wound down gradually until carbon neutral solutions found. No new routes!

    Consign the on a whim cheap bookings to history

    Solar powered passenger ships are the coming thing in transport. We will see a big revival in maritime passenger travel over the coming years.

    And agree regarding private cars. Tax them and makes public transport accessible and efficient for most travel.

    Aviation accounts for 2 per cent of carbon emissions, fashion accounts for 10 per cent any plans for curtailing fashion?
    Private cars tax them? There is significant taxes already on cars. Btw public transport outside the cities towns and cities is almost non existent. Cars in these areas are a necessity.


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    #2400
    AlphabetCards
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    I think a lot of you who are on this last page of the thread are fairly uninformed, or have been put under the illusion that energy comes from nowhere.

    Solar powered ships? Show me where there is any example of moving a few hundred tonnes with just solar power is possible. Then, show me where you store the power from these panels. Is it a lithium ion battery? Show me how we get the lithium from the ground. Show me how we get that lithium to a first world country to make the batteries. It is sheer fantasy at this moment in time. What about this, how ships hide their emissions?

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/09/shipping-companies-install-cheat-devices-to-hide-sulphur-emissions/

    There's a great thing called a Life Cycle Assessment. It looks at where energy goes at every step of the use or production of an item. That paper cup? Well, it is recyclable, but tell me does the diesel used by the recycling company truck off-set the recycling? There's a huge amount of ignorance (I'll use that term, as this is what it is) surrounding 'green' materials and 'sustainable' processes, and in a lot of cases it is being brought about by the greenwashing which is happening right now.

    The consumer is not at fault when it comes to pollution in the world, it is down to the people who make millions out of manufacturing, sales, transport and the need for exponential growth in trade year-on-year which is contributing the dominant share of the problem. If you buy into the idea that it is the consuming populace, you have lost the game.


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    #2401
    AlphabetCards
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Aviation sure, ships it's actually the cargo fleets that need to be targeted. Can't see too many people opting for extended boast trips, especially on the Irish Sea in winter! On cars you have the order wrong and the premise too as the oncoming EV revolution will put paid to the emissions issue.

    Wrong. It just shifts the emissions further back in the manufacturing chain. We still need to **** up the environment just to get the lithium out of the ground.


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