2019 All Ireland Senior Football Championship *Mod note: Post #1*

OldMrBrennan83

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Westmeath v Limerick
Longford v Tyrone
Antrim v Kildare
Clare v Leitrim
Mayo v Down
Derry v Laois
Offaly v Sligo
Monaghan v Armagh

What division were Down in this year?

Last tie should be decent anyway. Hopefully it gets picked for TV.

Beechwoodspark

Kildare will see Antrim as an opportunity

OldMrBrennan83

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Kildare will see Antrim as an opportunity

They really should be sauntering through that.

seligehgit

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

What division were Down in this year?

Last tie should be decent anyway. Hopefully it gets picked for TV.

Division 3

OldMrBrennan83

seligehgit wrote: »

Division 3

That'll fill Newry anyway then.

BonnieSituation

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

What division were Down in this year?

Last tie should be decent anyway. Hopefully it gets picked for TV.

Division 3

Finished 3rd on scored points difference despite being on 10 points with Laois and Westmeath.

FrancieBrady

Armagh in Clones...we got this!

Always_Running

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Westmeath v Limerick
Longford v Tyrone
Antrim v Kildare
Clare v Leitrim
Mayo v Down
Derry v Laois
Offaly v Sligo
Monaghan v Armagh (drawn out by Oisín McConville)

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Some decent fixtures there.

Draw should read home ties for Leitrim and Down. When the draw was done John Horan once again talking up a tiered system, talk about a tiresome routine by GAA HQ....

Bonniedog

Handy wins for Mayo and Kildare. Some close calls lower down for teams that will be glad of another chance. Offaly/Sligo. how would you price that!

Mon/Armagh only one that might have some consequence later on as winner will be looking at chance of super 8s.

Billy Mays

rossie1977 wrote: »

1 minute 20 seconds total of highlights of Leitrim/wicklow, Offaly/London, louth/antrim and wexford/derry games on Sunday game.

Regarding the highlights of the Cavan/Armagh game, is it too much effort for RTE to have a game clock up on the screen? They're showing all these points being scored but we've no idea at what stage of the game they're being scored in.

theoneeyedman

Always_Running wrote: »

Draw should read home ties for Leitrim and Down. When the draw was done John Horan once again talking up a tiered system, talk about a tiresome routine by GAA HQ....

....... and RTE too.

Giving Horan a platform at least once a week, to peddle a change to the system that both organisations want, but no hard questions being asked about the actual benefits of it.
Top Brass and big media organisations just want the big 6 or 8 teams involved, and don't want to be dealing with the likes of Leitrim or Sligo or Wicklow..... dump them down to a B competition and they'll be forgotten about, like the lower hurling competitions.

blowitupref

Bonniedog wrote: »

Handy wins for Mayo and Kildare. Some close calls lower down for teams that will be glad of another chance. Offaly/Sligo. how would you price that!

Mon/Armagh only one that might have some consequence later on as winner will be looking at chance of super 8s.

Not sure about a handy win for kildare, fell over the line v Wicklow and drew the first day v Longford. I'd have Offaly with home advantage favouties there Sligo by the looks of it are going to finish the year off without a league or championship win.

Monaghan v Armagh the tie of the round and i hope it will be the TV game but will probably show the Mayo game instead for viewers.

beggars_bush

Billy Mays wrote: »

Regarding the highlights of the Cavan/Armagh game, is it too much effort for RTE to have a game clock up on the screen? They're showing all these points being scored but we've no idea at what stage of the game they're being scored in.

that wouldn't fit in with the narrative

Farawayhome

theoneeyedman wrote: »

....... and RTE too.

Giving Horan a platform at least once a week, to peddle a change to the system that both organisations want, but no hard questions being asked about the actual benefits of it.
Top Brass and big media organisations just want the big 6 or 8 teams involved, and don't want to be dealing with the likes of Leitrim or Sligo or Wicklow..... dump them down to a B competition and they'll be forgotten about, like the lower hurling competitions.

Kildare were in the super 8's last year and would be in the top tier in this proposed new championship. They got absolutely destroyed by a Dublin team just strolling around. For some reason, no questions are being asked about what should be done with Dublin, how they got so far ahead of the rest and how anyone can ctach up. They will win any championship, tiered or not and they will continue to do so as the players keep getting manufactured.

OldMrBrennan83

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

They're not allowed, they've no midweek highlights rights. TG4 have one and usually concentrate on games that didn't get much coverage.
Apparently Sky have a midweek highlights slot in their rights and don't even bother

10.10 tonight for an hour. Later than usual due to women's World Cup coverage.

Bonniedog

Farawayhome wrote: »

the players keep getting manufactured.

:rolleyes:


Ever think they might actually be good? Or do you think they are created in some factory some place?

SirGerryAdams

Farawayhome wrote: »

Kildare were in the super 8's last year and would be in the top tier in this proposed new championship. They got absolutely destroyed by a Dublin team just strolling around. For some reason, no questions are being asked about what should be done with Dublin, how they got so far ahead of the rest and how anyone can ctach up. They will win any championship, tiered or not and they will continue to do so as the players keep getting manufactured.

No one says anything because it's the biggest population but if it was Kerry or someone dominating league, provincial and AI for best part of a decade it'd be the number 1 topic on all these shows.

Farawayhome

Bonniedog wrote: »

:rolleyes:


Ever think they might actually be good? Or do you think they are created in some factory some place?

People are scared to mention it on radio and tv because of this type of reaction. Whenever anyone dares discuss the finance involved, Dubin fans bombard stations with texts. Dublin is a huge market for these stations so it's understandable in a way but something has to be done. Remember when it was a once in a generation team? When Cluxton, Flynn, Connolly, Brogan are gone it'll go back to normal? They're nearly all gone and now it's when O'Callaghan, Mannion, Costello, Fenton all go and then it will be other players. This can't go on forever. No one wants to see this, even Dublin fans as can be seen with the shocking attendances.

Bonniedog

Hill 16 was near full yesterday. 36,000 there yesterday, 80% Dubs. Historically high for a Leinster semi final.

Yes, there is an imbalance, as there was in hurling when Kilkenny were predicted to dominate for all time. Won't happen.


Up to others to beat Dublin, or they could deliberately throw games.

Farawayhome

Bonniedog wrote: »

Hill 16 was near full yesterday.

Yes, there is an imbalance, as there was in hurling when Kilkenny were predicted to dominate for all time. Won't happen.


Up to others to beat Dublin, or they could deliberately throw games.

Is that it now? Dublin can only fill Hill 16, how long till that's half empty?

That was a bad time for hurling but Kilkenny's situation is completely different to Dublin's. We all know why that is but it just won't get mentioned on a tv or radio station, most print media either.

Although the story of Dublin players receiving up to 6k for appearance fees was printed recently. No surprise they receive so much and doesn't look good for those trying to quash the professional county accusations.

Charles Babbage

Bonniedog wrote: »

Up to others to beat Dublin, or they could deliberately throw games.

Class Dublin pretence that there isn't a problem.

Bonniedog

Farawayhome wrote: »

That was a bad time for hurling .

Was it really?

Best hurling and football teams in history are bad for the games.

Interesting.


You obviously don't like Dublin. which is your prerogative. It will end and you will be able to go back to calling us losers and whatever. Just be patient

dr.kenneth noisewater

threeball wrote: »

I wish the Gaa would bother to put proper Camera positions at each ground. If it's not a main game they don't even bother elevating the camera. May as well have some lad in the front row record it on an iPhone.

I dont see why all county grounds dont have a proper setup for cameras, only so much lads can do setting up temporary scaffolding if they're even allowed by a county board

dr.kenneth noisewater

Noelmcgov28 wrote: »

Those All-Ireland qualifier highlights for the 1st round were absolute ****e on the sunday game. What was the point of sending a cameraman if he's only gonna show 10 seconds of coverage?

rossie1977 wrote: »

1 minute 20 seconds total of highlights of Leitrim/wicklow, Offaly/London,  louth/antrim and wexford/derry games on Sunday game.

Didn't Des say they showed extended highlights of the Saturday qualifiers during the Sunday game earlier that day? Not ideal but theres only so much time in the show. Definitely a need for separate football/ hurling shows or a separate highlights and analysis show

Farawayhome

Bonniedog wrote: »

Was it really?

Best hurling and football teams in history are bad for the games.

Interesting.


You obviously don't like Dublin. which is your prerogative. It will end and you will be able to go back to calling us losers and whatever. Just be patient

Dublin supporter doesn't want to discuss the financial realities of their success. I am shocked. :pac:

For the rest of us, what do we do? We'll have to lobby our county boards to bring this issue up. It's an awkward position for them too as they need support and going against the GAA could result in some punishments. Do we boycott games? Hit the GAA where it hurts, that's the only way they'll listen.

We're in a precarious position right now. The Dublin president of the GAA was again pushing for most counties to get booted out of the championship on the radio this morning. If we don't do anything now the breakaway will happen and 6-8 counties will compete in the real championship while the rest of us won't be worthy of sharing a pitch with them. We have to do something now before they destroy Gaelic Football for good.

Farawayhome

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Didn't Des say they showed extended highlights of the Saturday qualifiers during the Sunday game earlier that day? Not ideal but theres only so much time in the show. Definitely a need for separate football/ hurling shows or a separate highlights and analysis show

I think the phrase he used was something like, they were dealt with then. Get those minnows out of the way so we can talk about the Dubs for 20 minutes.

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Armagh in Clones...we got this!

Armagh will give yis yer fill of it Francie.
Monaghan look very sluggish.

Bonniedog

Do something like beating them.

So its the first Dublin GAA President for 80 year's fault now!


Used to be that other Leinster counties whinged about Dublin being in Croke Park - which was only because their Council delegates voted for it. now its money. All the top county football teams spend a lot of money on their teams. Mayo more than Dublin senior footballers.

We also have competitive teams in all GAA sports from all ages. Of course we could give up like some of the rest of you.

Tradition is big in GAA and it is the same counties that are there now by and large as were at foundation and after attempt was made to destroy it after Parnell. Dublin is and always will be one of those big GAA counties, just as it was one of those which were in forefront of the national movement. Lots of other counties have been backwaters in both, and will always be.

Ce la vie.

tritium

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

No one says anything because it's the biggest population but if it was Kerry or someone dominating league, provincial and AI for best part of a decade it'd be the number 1 topic on all these shows.

Oddly enough I remember when it was Kerry dominating (it’s not that long ago) and nobody said a thing. Funny how only Dublin winning is a problem.

gormdubhgorm

Farawayhome wrote: »

The Dublin president of the GAA was again pushing for most counties to get booted out of the championship on the radio this morning. If we don't do anything now the breakaway will happen and 6-8 counties will compete in the real championship while the rest of us won't be worthy of sharing a pitch with them. We have to do something now before they destroy Gaelic Football for good.

That is putting a right spin on it. I assume he was talking about teams playing each other at the same level in a league type system.

As a Dub I have long more enjoyment out of the league in recent years, the teams are more competitive etc.
I don't know what county you support, but I assume you enjoy the league as well teams that are around the same level compete with each other.
Chance of winning something getting to a final.

You speak of financial realities, the GAA have repeately said that thier job was to keep the GAA in Dublin alive or it was in serious danger in the early 2000's
The GAA knew that without Dublin the GAA was fúcked.
The Dubs were the GAA cashcow, there was a danger Dublin with its large population could be a GAA wasteland.
(There are still areas that are GAA wastelands in Dublin today)

But now they are going to focus on other counties.
I can see counties amalgamating like the clubs do in future it makes sense.
Particularly in the counties that are 'hurling counties' first and foremost.
Who knows Dublin maybe split as well.
But all that stuff is decades down the line.

The attendance of 36k yesterday can be the kick up the arse the GAA need.
Give the people a decent competition move the league to the summer.
Make it home and away it is not rocket science.
But they cannot make it happen because it would never pass at congress.

Instead the slow death of the provincials, started with the backdoor qualifiers and now the super 8's
It is a gradual slow move to a defacto league system.
Getting people used to idea moving towards more games and less of a knockout cup idea.
You will get your wish in time change will happen, but be careful what you wish for.