2019 All Ireland Senior Football Championship *Mod note: Post #1*

Poor_old_gill

Force Carrier wrote: »

No you back tracked Gill. You were caught out accusing players of cheating and you couldn't back it up. And now you're just being a last word merchant to save face.

Show me where I accused anyone of cheating.

Force Carrier

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Show me where I accused anyone of cheating.

Don't be obtuse Gill. It's in your post as well you know. I've quoted it already.

dobman88

This is how I see Force Carrier on this thread

Poor_old_gill

Force Carrier wrote: »

Don't be obtuse Gill. It's in your post as well you know. I've quoted it already.

You quoted me talking about financial doping- a term of which you clearly have no understanding.

I linked it previously- read what it is.

As has already been stated- you just seem to be pointlessly attempting to derail this discussion.

ArielAtom

I really don’t think we need him to do that. Enough posters here derailing it at every opportunity. The changes in the GAA thread is thataway!!!

Poor_old_gill

ArielAtom wrote: »

I really don’t think we need him to do that. Enough posters here derailing it at every opportunity. The changes in the GAA thread is thataway!!!

Of course but as I said previously context needed to be given to someone else’s point about the Leinster championship- correlation & causation, etc

Force Carrier

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

You quoted me talking about financial doping- a term of which you clearly have no understanding.

I linked it previously- read what it is.

As has already been stated- you just seem to be pointlessly attempting to derail this discussion.

You were asked to show where and when each player on the Dublin team was financially doped. You can split hairs about what financially doped means if you want. Why don't you give your definition. And then examples of how the Dublin team the players in the Dublin squad were financially doped.

I believe they achieved their success through talent and hard work. You are saying they were financially doped. You were asked to back that up and you couldn't.

If you can't back it up then we can conclude that this Dublin team have not been financially doped.

Poor_old_gill

Force Carrier wrote: »

You were asked to show where and when each player on the Dublin team was financially doped. You can split hairs about what financially doped means if you want. Why don't you give your definition. And then examples of how the Dublin team the players in the Dublin squad were financially doped.

I believe they achieved their success through talent and hard work. You are saying they were financially doped. You were asked to back that up and you couldn't.

If you can't back it up then we can conclude that this Dublin team have not been financially doped.

17 million in games funding over 10 years.
You already know all this though so why are you carrying on with it.

How Soon Is Now

Talk about the ****ing games on today lads jesus.

This Dublin getting all the money's is ruining so many threads on here!

Anyways.....

Hope Cork give Tyrone a good go just as did with Dublin last week. Dunno what to expect from Roscommon today with Dublin. They need to improve based on how the Tyrone game went but run the risk of shooting themselves in the foot like Cork did last week by leaving themselves open.

Force Carrier

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

17 million in games funding over 10 years.
You already know all this though so why are you carrying on with it.

Jim Gavin and the Dublin team didn't get 17 million. And even if they did money can't change your ability level. They don't buy bionic limbs. There's no transfer market.

doc_17

Force Carrier wrote: »

Jim Gavin and the Dublin team didn't get 17 million. And even if they did money can't change your ability level. They don't buy bionic limbs. There's no transfer market.

Of course money can change your ability levels.

doc_17

As much as I’d like to see it I don’t think Cork will be up to the challenge today. This group will most likely be over by 730 this evening.

eagle eye

I think Cork will beat Tyrone today.

Poor_old_gill

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Talk about the ****ing games on today lads jesus.

This Dublin getting all the money's is ruining so many threads on here!

Anyways.....

Hope Cork give Tyrone a good go just as did with Dublin last week. Dunno what to expect from Roscommon today with Dublin. They need to improve based on how the Tyrone game went but run the risk of shooting themselves in the foot like Cork did last week by leaving themselves open.

Cork & Tyrone is an intriguing one but for some reason I have a feeling that Tyrone will hockey them! I reckon Tyrone by min of 6. Dublin will win handy.

On tomorrow- mayo should do just about enough to beat Meath while the second game is impossible to call in my eyes

How Soon Is Now

eagle eye wrote: »

I think Cork will beat Tyrone today.

Hate Tyrone would love to see Cork give them proper game today but unfortunately think Tyrone will bully them and be to much for them.

Force Carrier

doc_17 wrote: »

Of course money can change your ability levels.

Which is the accusation that Gill made. Which player on the Dublin team had their ability level changed by money. When and where? And evidence of same?

Poor_old_gill

eagle eye wrote: »

I think Cork will beat Tyrone today.

Can’t see it- too much naivety in that cork team.
They are too open and Tyrone will invite them on and just blitz them on the counter

How Soon Is Now

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Can’t see it- too much naivety in that cork team.
They are too open and Tyrone will invite them on and just blitz them on the counter

I hope it's a good game one way or another. I'd much rather Dublin get a test as well today. Cox needs a better game then last week for Roscommon.

Hope Brogan gets some time for Dublin as well!

dunnerc

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Cork & Tyrone is an intriguing one but for some reason I have a feeling that Tyrone will hockey them! I reckon Tyrone by min of 6. Dublin will win handy.

On tomorrow- mayo should do just about enough to beat Meath while the second game is impossible to call in my eyes

Agree with 3 out of 4 , has to be Kerry for me though , they are on a mission .

Seadin

doc_17 wrote: »

As much as I’d like to see it I don’t think Cork will be up to the challenge today. This group will most likely be over by 730 this evening.

Thats what we like to hear. Underdogs suit us nicely. If we were expected to win we probably wouldnt so its best we go in as underdogs.

doc_17

Force Carrier wrote: »

Which is the accusation that Gill made. Which player on the Dublin team had their ability level changed by money. When and where? And evidence of same?

All of them. Constantly. Money gives them access to more high level coaching and coaches. Training camps abroad, dieticians etc....All of that allows them to train at levels the others can’t and thus they improve. They get better.

Money doesn’t help? Why then is every other county begging and fundraising as much as they can? Dublin don’t need to, and actually don’t, fundraise. They get it al, handed to them.

doc_17

Seadin wrote: »

Thats what we like to hear. Underdogs suit us nicely. If we were expected to win we probably wouldnt so its best we go in as underdogs.

No disrespect but it didn’t help against Kerry and Dublin. There’s usually a good reason why teams are underdogs. But I wish you well.

manofwisdom

Tyrone are well capable of scoring goals especially against defences that leave themselves open as Cork's. I'm interested to see how this Cork "free scoring" forward line do against a defence like Tyrone's that gives teams very little time and room on the ball to score.

Going by the odds it says Tyrone by 4 but i reckon the margin of victory could be double that.

C__MC

Not a hope for cork, the Tyrone blanket will swallow up their marquee men. Typical Tyrone, look at last Saturday just bullied roscommon out of it. If Kerrigan starts, hell be ran ragged not like last week. Tyrone by 6 plus me thinks

C__MC

manofwisdom wrote: »

Tyrone are well capable of scoring goals especially against defences that leave themselves open as Cork's. I'm interested to see how this Cork "free scoring" forward line do against a defence like Tyrone's that gives teams very little time and room on the ball to score.

Going by the odds it says Tyrone by 4 but i reckon the margin of victory could be double that.

Dublin left 5 goals behind them last week, there is more holes in that cork defence then swiss cheese

Force Carrier

doc_17 wrote: »

All of them. Constantly. Money gives them access to more high level coaching and coaches. Training camps abroad, dieticians etc.

What high level coach? Jim Gavin?


dietician lol

manofwisdom

C__MC wrote: »

Dublin left 5 goals behind them last week, there is more holes in that cork defence then swiss cheese

Yes Cork have the worst defence of the 8 teams left in championship however the biggest surprise was how loose Dublin left their defence, its highly unlikely that Tyrone will defend in that manner.

BonnieSituation

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Cork & Tyrone is an intriguing one but for some reason I have a feeling that Tyrone will hockey them! I reckon Tyrone by min of 6. Dublin will win handy.

On tomorrow- mayo should do just about enough to beat Meath while the second game is impossible to call in my eyes

My gut said similar on my pools about Tyrone knocking seven shades out of them. Then I back tracked.

I can see it happening. The first 10min like last Sunday's game in Killarney will show exactly how it's going to pan out.

Fan of Netflix

Tyrone will eat them. The games today are more ****e mismatches.

doc_17

Force Carrier wrote: »

What high level coach? Jim Gavin?


dietician lol

It’s neat you think he does it for free. And Sherlock. And Dunne. Etc........