"Crusaders" offensive, bad word.

Jimmy Garlic

Chrustchurch Crusaders. "Offensive" because of the crusades back nearly 1000 years ago, they are going changing the name of the rugby team.., I don't think Saladin and his crew were the nicest bunch either in all fairness. Will they change the name of Christchurch itself too? Surely that's "offensive" too .

judeboy101

Snowflakes

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Will Saracens RFC change their name too?

LessOutragePlz

The permanently outraged will always find something to be outraged by.

OldMrBrennan83

Did you ever hear such shíte in your life? World is rapidly disappearing up its own hole.

dxhound2005

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Chrustchurch Crusaders. "Offensive" because of the crusades back nearly 1000 years ago, they are going changing the name of the rugby team.., I don't think Saladin and his crew were the nicest bunch either in all fairness. Will they change the name of Christchurch itself too? Surely that's "offensive" too .

Changed already.

fatknacker

Well if the Bay of Plenty Steamers can keep their team then I don't see what the problem is.

SEPT 23 1989

Banning historical things whether it be names,flags or statues just shows how weak their argument is

odyssey06

Its a pretty crap name for a sports team in my opinion, but changing it for that reason is bonkers.

judeboy101

Aren't the new Zealand rugby team called the "All blacks"? And none of them are actually black.

Jurgen Klopp

Ah tbf lads it's handy out. With the banning and trying to white wash any upsetting aspects of history and/or modern society within a 100 years or so we should be good for another run at the oul Nazism and Stalin esque Communism, purges and all cause no one will remember it

odyssey06

judeboy101 wrote: »

Aren't the new Zealand rugby team called the "All blacks"? And none of them are actually black.

Plus the cultural appropriation of the name Zealand... they cant do anything right.

Wibbs

More knee jerk bollocks from a section of NZ society that of late have been knee jerking like a can can troupe on columbian marching powder. Bloody ridiculous.

The Rape of Lucretia

The hypocrisy is astounding, from the country that is the only one to still field a team based on racial grounds, with the Maori All Blacks playing many of the worlds top teams, but excluding from selection any players it doesnt consider to have Maori blood.

Pauliedragon

To be fair I dont think there was much of a call from the public for this. The Crusaders decided on a name change on their own so if a club decides to change their name that's up to them and the NZRU surely.

mynamejeff

Im gona have to start supporting the Kansas city darkies now

Ipso

We can’t forget the crusades, such a great bunch of lads.

Jurgen Klopp

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

The hypocrisy is astounding, from the country that is the only one to still field a team based on racial grounds, with the Maori All Blacks playing many of the worlds top teams, but excluding from selection any players it doesnt consider to have Maori blood.

Jesus I thought this a wind up like your usual

But potential players need an ancestry test before joining

WTF

odyssey06

Ipso wrote: »

We can’t forget the crusades, such a great bunch of lads.

Nightmare on a stag weekend.

Danzy

The modern Left and "progressives" remind me of that Pet Shop Boys song "It's a sin".

The New priest caste.

RobbieTheRobber

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Banning historical things whether it be names,flags or statues just shows how weak their argument is

Shows who and what argument?

Jurgen Klopp

Danzy wrote: »

The modern Left and "progressives" remind me of that Pet Shop Boys song "It's a sin".

The New priest caste.

You know I remember someone making the comparison a lot of these regressive leftists would years ago have been the right Holy Joe's and busy bodies of the local church and the real harcore types Priests and Nuns I'm starting to believe it

Complete control freaks

sydthebeat

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Chrustchurch Crusaders. "Offensive" because of the crusades back nearly 1000 years ago, they are going changing the name of the rugby team.., I don't think Saladin and his crew were the nicest bunch either in all fairness. Will they change the name of Christchurch itself too? Surely that's "offensive" too .

It isn't "Christchurch crusaders"

It's just crusaders.

Atoms for Peace

I don't like the use of generic names for sports clubs, that wrong with just using Christchurch rugby.

sydthebeat

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

I don't like the use of generic names for sports clubs, that wrong with just using Christchurch rugby.

Cos there's already a team based in Christchurch called canturbury.

The crusaders are just the crusaders....

StupidLikeAFox

This is from the clubs statement:
"it is apparent that the symbolism the club has used, combined with the ‘Crusaders’ name, is offensive to some in the community due to its association with the religious Crusades between Christians and Muslims"


The city has just undergone a huge tragedy, its hard to imagine what that would be like tbh and if changing the name and branding of a rugby club will help with the healing and show a bit of solidarity between two communities then more power to them.

Pauliedragon

sydthebeat wrote: »

Cos there's already a team based in Christchurch called canturbury.

The crusaders are just the crusaders....

Their full name is the Canterbury Crusaders. They play there matches in Christchurch like munster play in Limerick but they represent the whole of Munster.

mad muffin

Call me cynical, but it’s a perfect opportunity to rebrand and get the fans to buy new gear.

Also they might as well rename Christchurch while they’re at it…

odyssey06

I propose the Conciliators as the new name. Wont have to change any initials...

Yeah_Right

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Their full name is the Canterbury Crusaders. They play there matches in Christchurch like munster play in Limerick but they represent the whole of Munster.

No they were the Canterbury Crusaders when they were formed in 1996. All the NZ Super Rugby teams dropped the regional prefix 10 plus years ago. The Crusaders also play matches in Nelson, Timaru and maybe a couple of other towns. Though most are in Christchurch.

The club and the NZRU have apparently hired a PR firm to explore the possibility of a name change after consultation with the wider community. It's not a done deal but I think it will happen.

hatrickpatrick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

sydthebeat

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Their full name is the Canterbury Crusaders. They play there matches in Christchurch like munster play in Limerick but they represent the whole of Munster.

No its not.....

Hasn't officially been canturbury crusaders since 1996. Any reference to their name as such since then has been incorrect.

Its just the crusaders.

For Forks Sake

judeboy101 wrote: »

Aren't the new Zealand rugby team called the "All blacks"? And none of them are actually black.

Fun fact. The New Zealand basketball team are nicknamed....





...the Tall Blacks.

conorhal

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Their full name is the Canterbury Crusaders. They play there matches in Christchurch like munster play in Limerick but they represent the whole of Munster.

New Zealand really needs to do something about the name of this city, how utterly disrespectful to the Muslim community there.

odyssey06

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Fun fact. The New Zealand basketball team are nicknamed....

...the Tall Blacks.

I am doubly offended by this name.
Ban basketball.

Richard Hillman

Without the Crusades we would be living in the stoneage. The reason why we have had such comfortable lives in Europe is because we conquered and plundered all of our weak neighbours. Be greatful for it.

Snow Garden

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Chrustchurch Crusaders. "Offensive" because of the crusades back nearly 1000 years ago, they are going changing the name of the rugby team.., I don't think Saladin and his crew were the nicest bunch either in all fairness. Will they change the name of Christchurch itself too? Surely that's "offensive" too .

Well actually Saladin is famous for his mercy, fairness and treatment of prisoners, in stark contrast to the crusaders. He gained huge respect amongst the Christian armies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin#Early_life

Saladin eventually achieved a great reputation in Europe as a chivalrous knight, due to his fierce struggle against the crusaders and his generosity....Despite the Crusaders' slaughter when they originally conquered Jerusalem in 1099, Saladin granted amnesty and free passage to all common Catholics and even to the defeated Christian army, as long as they were able to pay the aforementioned ransom

TheRepentent

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Fun fact. The New Zealand basketball team are nicknamed....





...the Tall Blacks.

Still laughing

odyssey06

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Without the Crusades we would be living in the stoneage. The reason why we have had such comfortable lives in Europe is because we conquered and plundered all of our weak neighbours. Be greatful for it.

I think the stone age lads were wiped out by the bronze age ones or maybe just enslaved. Then the iron age lads wiped out the earlier lots. The crusaders came up against an opponent who also had iron and made their objections known at the time ... at the end of a sword. I think the result has been declared a home victory.

Bad omen for a sports team to use a name like that but whatever objections anyone could make to the name now is nothing compared to the thousands of dead crusaders at the time.

Snow Garden

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Fun fact. The New Zealand basketball team are nicknamed...

...the Tall Blacks.

Yes but the football team is called the All Whites!! :mad:

odyssey06

Snow Garden wrote: »

Well actually Saladin is famous for his mercy, fairness and treatment of prisoners, in stark contrast to the crusaders. He gained huge respect amongst the Christian armies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin#Early_life

Not exactly. He executed knights templars ransom or not. He executed captured crossbowmen who as knights could not afford ransom.

When it made military sense to offer quarter he did. Richard the Lionheart was respected by Saladin and vice versa but both would and did execute prisoners, and both would and did offer quarter at times.
He largely played by the rules of war at the time - as did most of the Crusaders. Hence the respect of one military class to another.

Cienciano

Pauliedragon wrote: »

To be fair I dont think there was much of a call from the public for this. The Crusaders decided on a name change on their own so if a club decides to change their name that's up to them and the NZRU surely.

You're right, but they haven't even changed the name, they're consulting with the public and the fans to see how they feel about it and then they'll decide what to do. But the usual "pc gone mad" brigade that would probably eat up Daily Mail headlines are up in arms like always.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Banning historical things whether it be names,flags or statues just shows how weak their argument is

Nothing is banned here. Relax, take a deep breath and read the club statement

pleas advice

conorhal wrote: »

New Zealand really needs to do something about the name of this city, how utterly disrespectful to the Muslim community there.

Mohommadmosque

lawred2

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

The permanently outraged will always find something to be outraged by.

Was anyone even 'outraged'?

I think this came from within the club.

pleas advice

from the thread on the shootings:

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I'm a New Zealander
...
The talk of changing the name of the local rugby team from the Crusaders to ???? is an interesting one. It would be good PR and a nice gesture to the community but in fairness a lot of the people calling for a name change at the moment, wouldn't be big rugby fans in the first place. I don't have an issue with the team being named the Crusaders or the Vikings or the Pirates as that is all ancient history. HoweverI think they will change it next season.

The Rape of Lucretia

Not much of a difference between the Crusaders invading the Arab world, and the Europeans invading the Maoris though either.

recedite

https://www.the42.ie/crusaders-name-change-4574222-Apr2019/

As the head of New Zealand Rugby said the current branding was “no longer tenable”, the Crusaders added that they would immediately halt their traditional pre-game entertainment of mounted, sword-wielding crusaders.

As a replacement pre-game entertainment, I suppose "the running of the jew" is now out of the question?

The Rape of Lucretia

recedite wrote: »

https://www.the42.ie/crusaders-name-change-4574222-Apr2019/

As a replacement pre-game entertainment, I suppose "the running of the jew" is now out of the question?

New Zealand has no jews.

AllForIt

Absolutely absurd but not as serious as banning Jordon Peterson's book and even worse Australia furthering their stringent Internet laws.

Cienciano

AllForIt wrote: »

Absolutely absurd but not as serious as banning Jordon Peterson's book and even worse Australia furthering their stringent Internet laws.

His book wasn't banned in nz