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Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

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    #1412
    Man Vs ManUre
    Registered Users Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    As gyms go, I believe the membership cost of sbg is extortionate.

    <snip>


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    #1413
    VW 1
    Registered Users Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭VW 1


    Market dictates price, do you campaign that Starbucks overcharge for coffee? Businessman in maximising income shocker.


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    #1414
    johnmc76
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭johnmc76


    Big name gyms will do that because of their connections. If they think you have potential they'll help you get fast tracked into the big name leagues like UFC or Bellator and the ones in Japan [or in Gallagher's case protected as long as possible.


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    #1415
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Bit higher than some, but not extortionate. If you go regularly, it works out at decent enough value for the amount of stuff available.


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    #1416
    lola85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭lola85


    HappyAsLarE wrote: »
    Yet Kavanagh will take all the praise for visiting teenage McGregor at his house to try to talk him to coming back to the gym after his Ma called.

    If Kavanagh was the decent bloke he pretends to be then he wouldn’t have a blatant scumbag continue to train in his gym.

    Life is short, you gotta take what you can when you can get it.


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    #1417
    Effects
    Registered Users Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭Effects


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Bit higher than some, but not extortionate. If you go regularly, it works out at decent enough value for the amount of stuff available.

    How much is it? Do you pay a monthly fee and then can go to as many classes as you want?


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    #1418
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Effects wrote: »
    How much is it? Do you pay a monthly fee and then can go to as many classes as you want?
    Depends what level membership you're on. Mines €145 at the mo.
    I'm trying to get back into my old routine of 4 days, 2 classes a day, 5 days if I can get Saturdays again, plus after class use of facilities and other random things I might try.

    Considering 90% of what I'd do is instructor based, that's not too bad.

    Obviously if you only get down once a month, it's not so great value.


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    #1419
    Effects
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    It does seem like a lot. But as you say, the more classes you do the better value it’ll be.
    I used to train with Andy Ryan, a long time ago, and it was fairy cheap. Facilities weren’t as good though. Think it was even before the euro came in!


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    #1420
    billybonkers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    Kavanagh owes pretty much everything he has to Mcgregor.

    Absolutely not true...


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    #1421
    Axwell
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Man Vs ManUre - Don't post that kind of immature nonsense again.

    Back on topic folks...


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    #1422
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,348 ✭✭✭Homelander


    billybonkers wrote: »
    Absolutely not true...


    I would say it's true to a certain degree in that McGregor truly made him, but that would be true of a huge amount of trainers/managers/coaches/whatever in virtually any field imaginable, so I don't buy into this nonsense of trying to begrudge him the fact. JK isn't doing anything wrong whatsoever and plays a pretty huge role in progressing MMA in Ireland, so not really sure why anyone would seek to discredit that.


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    #1423
    Man Vs ManUre
    Registered Users Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    Back in the old days Conor used to talk about Kavanagh being his Sensi and Kavanagh just sat there nodding and grinning. He should have been reigning him in a bit, I don’t think vinous uncontrollable. Especially in the lead up to Khabib, he was just going way too far with the insults, and it was inspiring Khabib to train harder than he ever did. And then showing up at pressers couple of weeks before the fight drinking whiskey, if it was actually whiskey. Sorry but that is just the behaviour of a mad man, not an elite athlete. Surely Kavanagh should have sat him down then and talked about all the stuff he was doing wrong just image wise. Must be they were very confident of the win and to be able to continue this crazy cocky persona.


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    #1424
    lola85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭lola85


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    Back in the old days Conor used to talk about Kavanagh being his Sensi and Kavanagh just sat there nodding and grinning. He should have been reigning him in a bit, I don’t think vinous uncontrollable. Especially in the lead up to Khabib, he was just going way too far with the insults, and it was inspiring Khabib to train harder than he ever did. And then showing up at pressers couple of weeks before the fight drinking whiskey, if it was actually whiskey. Sorry but that is just the behaviour of a mad man, not an elite athlete. Surely Kavanagh should have sat him down then and talked about all the stuff he was doing wrong just image wise. Must be they were very confident of the win and to be able to continue this crazy cocky persona.

    You’re making the mistake that either of them care as much as you do!!

    They don’t so just relax and go to sleep.


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    #1425
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    Kavanagh owes pretty much everything he has to Mcgregor.

    I get what you are saying and completely agree that Conor has definitely propelled JK way further than he could achieve without him. But the corollary is also true that without JK coaching Conor wouldn't have been anywhere near the fighter that allowed him to sky rocket.

    There is no point being a great self hype and pr legend that Conor is without being able to back it up with the skills and fight ethic that JK instilled in him.

    It is well known that JK went to Conor house and explained to his family the potential that wàs there...and that is why Conor went back to train.

    To say that JK is nothing without Conor is harsh..the two were needed and if JK wssnt there it is more than likely that Conor would have been a might have been failure.


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    #1426
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    As gyms go, I believe the membership cost of sbg is extortionate.

    <snip>

    Monthly costs are 30 for the gym.,...am sure that classes are about 10-15. Nowhere near extortionate when you can learn from experts.

    Crunch in dun laoghaire is 6-7 hundred a year with no classes...you get a pool but no expert help.,...not extortionate for sbg....


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    #1427
    johnmc76
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭johnmc76


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    Back in the old days Conor used to talk about Kavanagh being his Sensi and Kavanagh just sat there nodding and grinning. He should have been reigning him in a bit, I don’t think vinous uncontrollable. Especially in the lead up to Khabib, he was just going way too far with the insults, and it was inspiring Khabib to train harder than he ever did. And then showing up at pressers couple of weeks before the fight drinking whiskey, if it was actually whiskey. Sorry but that is just the behaviour of a mad man, not an elite athlete. Surely Kavanagh should have sat him down then and talked about all the stuff he was doing wrong just image wise. Must be they were very confident of the win and to be able to continue this crazy cocky persona.

    This is the problem with Conor now. Too many people in his life are too worried about being kicked off the gravy train that they're not willing to pull him aside and tell him that he's a train wreck waiting to happen.


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    #1428
    Effects
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    johnmc76 wrote: »
    he's a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Waiting to happen? Do you think it's still 2015 or something.


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    #1429
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    Back in the old days Conor used to talk about Kavanagh being his Sensi and Kavanagh just sat there nodding and grinning. He should have been reigning him in a bit, I don’t think vinous uncontrollable. Especially in the lead up to Khabib, he was just going way too far with the insults, and it was inspiring Khabib to train harder than he ever did. And then showing up at pressers couple of weeks before the fight drinking whiskey, if it was actually whiskey. Sorry but that is just the behaviour of a mad man, not an elite athlete. Surely Kavanagh should have sat him down then and talked about all the stuff he was doing wrong just image wise. Must be they were very confident of the win and to be able to continue this crazy cocky persona.

    JK was the first Irishman to achieve black belt in BJJ..his lineage to the top is unquestionable. He is a master and a sensi..unfortunately being a master and sensi doesn't necessarily equip you for the modern celebrity exposure such as being the worlds best known fightera trainer.,..so what do you expect him to do other than smile when Conor proclaimed his adoration in early days.

    I felt that JK let Conor down during the Mayweather to khabib era.,where so much sh1t was happening jk seemed to be more interested in tweeting about being on holiday with his moth. I was annoyed that he distanced himself when it appeared Conor needed him most...eg. bus assault...treehouse...phone smash and more.

    But that is difference between manager and trainer.,I still think he could have done more but don't question his ability or lineage.


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    #1430
    Fall_Guy
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    joeguevara wrote: »
    Monthly costs are 30 for the gym.,...am sure that classes are about 10-15. Nowhere near extortionate when you can learn from experts.

    Crunch in dun laoghaire is 6-7 hundred a year with no classes...you get a pool but no expert help.,...not extortionate for sbg....

    When I was a member more than 5 years ago I was paying around 100 euro a month so unless they've completely restructured their membership model I can't see how this is in any way accurate?? Happy to be corrected.

    As Tazzimus said earlier, if you can make loads of sessions it's not bad value relatively speaking, and the facilities are obviously a level above most places.


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    #1431
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Fall_Guy wrote: »
    When I was a member more than 5 years ago I was paying around 100 euro a month so unless they've completely restructured their membership model I can't see how this is in any way accurate?? Happy to be corrected.

    As Tazzimus said earlier, if you can make loads of sessions it's not bad value relatively speaking, and the facilities are obviously a level above most places.

    What was the 100 a month for? BJJ sessions or gym only? If for classes then look at most gym classes are 10-15 each....and if they are given by specialists then way more.

    So your fee was 1200 a year...hardly extortionate (that was the claim) when in a world Class facility surrounded by champions.


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    #1432
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,025 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Comparing a BJJ/MMA gym with a regular gym price is pointless.

    You see the same thing on the Fitness forum all the time too. People complaining about the cost of a small group S&C in the likes of Revfit or Crossfit compared to a Ben Dunne membership.


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    #1433
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Mellor wrote: »
    Comparing a BJJ/MMA gym with a regular gym price is pointless.

    You see the same think on the Fitness forum all the time too. People complaining about the cost of a small group S&C in the likes of Revfit or Crossfit compared to a Ben Dunne membership.

    Exactly...the only reason I posted was someone said membership was extortionate...which is untrue and even more crazy when you think of who you are surrounded by and can learn from.

    It's not flyefit but is actually cheaper than educogym....and what you can learn from champs is priceless


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    #1434
    Fall_Guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Fall_Guy


    joeguevara wrote: »
    What was the 100 a month for? BJJ sessions or gym only? If for classes then look at most gym classes are 10-15 each....and if they are given by specialists then way more.

    So your fee was 1200 a year...hardly extortionate (that was the claim) when in a world Class facility surrounded by champions.

    I didn't for a second claim it was extortionate, I said it was relatively good value if going regularly.... I just queried the 30 euro a month figure being quoted earlier as when I was a member there was no "gym only" or "pay per class" option, and I would be surprised to hear there is an option like that now given how popular they are.


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    #1435
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Exactly...the only reason I posted was someone said membership was extortionate...which is untrue and even more crazy when you think of who you are surrounded by and can learn from.

    It's not flyefit but is actually cheaper than educogym....and what you can learn from champs is priceless

    Are you a member down there?

    I get where you're coming from, but your description is a little off.
    You're not learning from champs (although there have abeen a few decent guest coaches), as you put it, but the coaches are very good.
    GB, Satori, Team Ryano, Team KF etc would all have coaches as good mind.

    I've only been down in the new gym a few times since it opened due to other stuff, but it is a great set up.

    As I mentioned, if you're not getting down regularly, it's expensive, but if you can get down a few days a week, price wise it isn't bad at all.


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    #1436
    rob316
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    As far as I know all the SBG gyms are about 100 a month. SBG HQ is near the €150 mark though. If you can go to maybe 4 to 6 classes a week its good value.


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    #1437
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,025 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    I get where you're coming from, but your description is a little off.
    You're not learning from champs (although there have abeen a few decent guest coaches), as you put it, but the coaches are very good.
    GB, Satori, Team Ryano, Team KF etc would all have coaches as good mind.
    +1
    Has nothing to do with any (former) champions, pro fighters, etc.
    There’s plenty of excellent options for jiu jitsu now. Black belts are no longer rare.


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    #1438
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    joeguevara wrote: »

    I felt that JK let Conor down during the Mayweather to khabib era.,where so much sh1t was happening jk seemed to be more interested in tweeting about being on holiday with his moth. I was annoyed that he distanced himself when it appeared Conor needed him most...eg. bus assault...treehouse...phone smash and more.

    But that is difference between manager and trainer.,I still think he could have done more but don't question his ability or lineage.

    I don't think you can blame Kavanagh for that stuff, it's all on McGregor and his mates if you ask me.

    Outside of the gym I'm not sure how much of a relationship they have. From what I read I thought they barely trained together for the Diaz 1 fight. I seem to remember Kavanagh saying that he was in the gym all day and then when he was going home McGregor would show up to do his training. So they past each other but not really anything more.

    I know they decided to work a lot more together for Diaz 2 but easy to see that they could drift apart again. Even for the Mayweather fight I thought Kavanagh said he was much more back seat and it was Roddy who was more in charge, considering their specialties this makes sense.


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    #1439
    Esse85
    Registered Users Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭Esse85


    Outside the ring, I fail to see what JK and Conor have in common. They appear to want different things, different set of values, and come from different backgrounds.

    Were it not for MMA you'd imagine Conor would be your typical tradesman walking around in a high vis vest fueled up on breakfast rolls and lucozade whereas JK is more studious, meticulous and would possibly have an engineering role as I believe that's what he completed a degree in.

    As individuals, they are chalk and cheese.


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    #1440
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Esse85 wrote: »
    Outside the ring, I fail to see what JK and Conor have in common. They appear to want different things, different set of values, and come from different backgrounds.

    Were it not for MMA you'd imagine Conor would be your typical tradesman walking around in a high vis vest fueled up on breakfast rolls and lucozade whereas JK is more studious, meticulous and would possibly have an engineering role as I believe that's what he completed a degree in.

    As individuals, they are chalk and cheese.

    This is a whole load of bollox.


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    #1441
    Furryglove
    Closed Accounts Posts: 67 ✭✭Furryglove


    Esse85 wrote: »
    Outside the ring, I fail to see what JK and Conor have in common. They appear to want different things, different set of values, and come from different backgrounds.

    Were it not for MMA you'd imagine Conor would be your typical tradesman walking around in a high vis vest fueled up on breakfast rolls and lucozade whereas JK is more studious, meticulous and would possibly have an engineering role as I believe that's what he completed a degree in.

    As individuals, they are chalk and cheese.

    The Sensai had everyone believe he would be an engineer of some sorts if he wasn’t involved in mma alright, alas ya have to give him props for cashing in on everything but he’s a narcissist tool in fairness, a major chocolate boy


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