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Gardaí contact Louth family after Irish woman is detained in Syria

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    #32
    jmayo
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    El Tarangu wrote: »
    Agreed.

    I hope that the Syrians lock her up and throw away the key; failing that, if she is deported back, I hope she faces a good long stretch here instead.

    People saying that 'she shouldn't be allowed back' aren't really taking into account the reality of the situation - if an Irish citizen was convicted of rape in Australia, and the authorities there wanted to deport them after serving their sentence, the Irish government couldn't say "no thanks, you hang on to them there".

    No they are allowed back and then the homeless crisis circle jerks use them as a symbol for their campaigns. :rolleyes:

    Funny how all the fookers on RTE radio this morning are already pedaling the shyte about bringing her back.

    This country is fooked with the amount of quislings we have.

    No wonder it took so long to get rid of the Brits.


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    #33
    Giveaway
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    Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »
    So she’s discovering being with Isis isn’t all summer camps in the Tora Bora, and cruelty to animals.

    There’s downsides to it too.

    That was al qaeda camps in Bora Bora


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    #34
    Immortal Starlight
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    I would love to think that this woman would never set foot in Ireland again. That is probably just wishful thinking though because the minute she looks for assistance our government will roll out the red carpet. She will be presented to us as an innocent snatched back from the wolves and do the usual routine of tv appearances and book deals.


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    #35
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Tacklebox wrote: »
    Sure give her the maximum sentence in Iraq or Syria.

    Then she can come back, by then she'll be so old she wouldn't be capable of doing much to be honest.

    If they don’t want her, what then? Why do we get to absolve ourselves of the responsibilty?.


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    #36
    Say my name
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    Don't care about her either way.

    But is there anything to be said for the intelligence she has garnered on IS and the benefits that could have now to our own defence forces?


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    #37
    amcalester
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    There was a lot of support when the dodgy taxi drivers were deported out of Ireland. I’m sure whatever county they were sent back to didn’t want them.

    Why is this any different?

    Once the Americans are done with her we’ll take her back and hopefully she’ll rot in prison for a long time.


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    #38
    Giveaway
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    Now the Dundalk iman is weighing in, saying if he had known she was radicialised he would have discouraged her travelling. I do not believe him. Especially the hundreds that left to fight with islamists in Libya and Syria who were supported by their communities and mosques


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    #39
    batgoat
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    Giveaway wrote: »
    Now the Dundalk iman is weighing in, saying if he had known she was radicialised he would have discouraged her travelling. I do not believe him. Especially the hundreds that left to fight with islamists in Libya and Syria who were supported by their communities and mosques

    I'm relatively familiar with him and had some interactions with him. Strongly disagree with him on a lot of things. But he's strongly anti extremism. (I'm atheist for the record)


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    #40
    jmayo
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    Over on the other thread you had the arguments that by not taking her back we are dumping our values and that anyone that doesn't want these back are anti European values, etc, etc.
    And that we are no better than ISIS, etc.

    What all these numpties fail to recognise is that all the values, all the freedoms they bleat on about have been hard won, won with lives of millions of people.
    And they can usually lambast the US, they can bitch and moan about them all they want but without them, we would probably either be speaking German working as slave labourers or speaking Russian living in a collective farm with fear of transfer to a gullag.

    All the Western values we enjoy in Europe were protected through the blood of millions who went to fight fascism and then faced down communism.

    The only reason Western Europe did not have to go to war with USSR was the bomb, otherwise Stalin would have kept rolling Westward and there would never have been the much liberally lauded EU.

    Or western secular values were never guaranteed or ultimately protected by protest marches, but by men and indeed women willing to die carrying a gun.

    And we are only going to save those values in the future by the same means.

    You don't reason with an ISIS supporting fanatic or a al qeada supporter no more than you did with a member of the SS.

    The old attributed Orwell/Churchill quote still holds true today.
    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

    And the real twist is that the left, the liberals are driving the growth of a real hard right who would drag us back to the 1930s.
    They, through their stupidity and desire to be seen as ultra liberal, are creating the very thing they claim they detest.


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    #41
    cannotlogin
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    Zero tolerance - she made her choice.


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    #42
    Tacklebox
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    If they don’t want her, what then? Why do we get to absolve ourselves of the responsibilty?.

    Well Maybe send her to the Hague for war crime's.

    If we're part of Europe, maybe there should be a prison for traitors and terrorist's.

    The prison could be somewhere remote with maximum security, somewhere which is heavily guarded, an island preferably.

    She can bring her prayer mat and holy book with her, leave her out for an hour a day.

    Then she can watch reruns of wanderly wagon and glenroe, pull weeds from the paving, paint stones or something, every now and again show her footage of what she's missing from her homeland....

    Nostalgia really hits home with these people.


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    #43
    Tacklebox
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    jmayo wrote: »
    Over on the other thread you had the arguments that by not taking her back we are dumping our values and that anyone that doesn't want these back are anti European values, etc, etc.
    And that we are no better than ISIS, etc.

    What all these numpties fail to recognise is that all the values, all the freedoms they bleat on about have been hard won, won with lives of millions of people.
    And they can usually lambast the US, they can bitch and moan about them all they want but without them, we would probably either be speaking German working as slave labourers or speaking Russian living in a collective farm with fear of transfer to a gullag.

    All the Western values we enjoy in Europe were protected through the blood of millions who went to fight fascism and then faced down communism.

    The only reason Western Europe did not have to go to war with USSR was the bomb, otherwise Stalin would have kept rolling Westward and there would never have been the much liberally lauded EU.

    Or western secular values were never guaranteed or ultimately protected by protest marches, but by men and indeed women willing to die carrying a gun.

    And we are only going to save those values in the future by the same means.

    You don't reason with an ISIS supporting fanatic or a al qeada supporter no more than you did with a member of the SS.

    The old attributed Orwell/Churchill quote still holds true today.
    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

    And the real twist is that the left, the liberals are driving the growth of a real hard right who would drag us back to the 1930s.
    They, through their stupidity and desire to be seen as ultra liberal, are creating the very thing they claim they detest.

    I know who you're referring to on the other thread, I went through some of their post's and their debating style is quite shocking and extremely angry.

    Reminds me of someone who's at home swigging the whiskey and smoking a cigarette, trolling board's looking to be offended.

    They keep refering to Liberal this Liberal that.

    But yet they have no respect for the liberty of you and I to express out contempt for bringing home a terrorist.

    There's no reasoning with these people, they're as brain washed as the inside of a washing machine with dirty water.

    Telpis


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    #44
    SaifUllah
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    Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »
    A terrorist from Louth....never thought I'd see the day.

    Should not be allowed back in the country

    She should of course!
    She is an Irish citizen and it's arguable even if she should stand trial.

    White American soldiers that murdered Iraqis are brought home as heroes.
    She happens to be on the "wrong" side as defined by the Islamaphobic west.

    This is all just more excuses for racism and Islamaphobic bigotry against Muslims.

    Shame on you all.

    #FreeLisaSmyth
    #LisaSmythIsInnocent


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    #45
    Tacklebox
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    SaifUllah wrote: »
    She should of course!
    She is an Irish citizen and it's arguable even if she should stand trial.

    White American soldiers that murdered Iraqis are brought home as heroes.
    She happens to be on the "wrong" side as defined by the Islamaphobic west.

    This is all just more excuses for racism and Islamaphobic bigotry against Muslims.

    Shame on you all.

    Assalam walekum


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    #46
    jmayo
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    SaifUllah wrote: »
    She should of course!
    She is an Irish citizen and it's arguable even if she should stand trial.

    White American soldiers that murdered Iraqis are brought home as heroes.
    She happens to be on the "wrong" side as defined by the Islamaphobic west.

    This is all just more excuses for racism and Islamaphobic bigotry against Muslims.

    Shame on you all.

    #FreeLisaSmyth
    #LisaSmythIsInnocent

    You do know a large portion of the US military are Hispanic and black ?
    But I guess they leave the shooting to the white guys :rolleyes:

    Wind up merchant or else a very worrying fooker that should be sent right over to ms smyth where they belong.


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    #47
    Giveaway
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    batgoat wrote: »
    I'm relatively familiar with him and had some interactions with him. Strongly disagree with him on a lot of things. But he's strongly anti extremism. (I'm atheist for the record)

    i choose to believe Iman Al Qadri, the Shia and the Adhimya
    All Qadri not just talks the talk, he walks the walk. Unfortunately only 50 turned up to his anti-extremism rally, and were even hassled by a few Salafi

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/returning-irish-muslim-fighters-definitely-a-threat-imam-1.2069115


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    #48
    jmayo
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    Giveaway wrote: »
    i choose to believe Iman Al Qadri, the Shia and the Adhimya
    All Qadri not just talks the talk, he walks the walk. Unfortunately only 50 turned up to his anti-extremism rally, and were even hassled by a few Salafi

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/returning-irish-muslim-fighters-definitely-a-threat-imam-1.2069115

    He doesn't count, he is not from the media's darling muslim brotherhood controlled islamic centre in Clonskeagh.
    A very convenient location to RTE, just around the corner. :rolleyes:


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    #49
    Giveaway
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    jmayo wrote: »
    He doesn't count, he is not from the media's darling muslim brotherhood controlled islamic centre in Clonskeagh.
    A very convenient location to RTE, just around the corner. :rolleyes:
    Funny he mentions the same thing at the end of the article i quoted. The Islamic Brotherhood in Clonskeagh are the go to Muslims for the goverment. its a disgrace


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    #50
    suicide_circus
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    put her in the pillory in Dundalk town square


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    #51
    Tacklebox
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    Giveaway wrote: »
    i choose to believe Iman Al Qadri, the Shia and the Adhimya
    All Qadri not just talks the talk, he walks the walk. Unfortunately only 50 turned up to his anti-extremism rally, and were even hassled by a few Salafi

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/returning-irish-muslim-fighters-definitely-a-threat-imam-1.2069115

    I have a few Alawite,Sufi and Shia friends,we seem to have the same opinion of the Salafi...

    Say no more.


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    #52
    Richard Hillman
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    There needs to be dialogue with the Syrian Government to either lock her up and throw away the key or release her to face the public.

    Who am I kidding, they'll send the Lear Jet :rolleyes:


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    Giveaway
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    Tacklebox wrote: »
    I have a few Alawite,Sufi and Shia friends,we seem to have the same opinion of the Salafi...

    Say no more.
    Ditto here, mainly Shia as colleague. indistinguishable from Irish in friendliness, work ethic and outlook. I hate to see them tarred with the same brush as fundamentalist Sunni islam, they are most frequently the victims of it


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    Giveaway
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    it amazes me the attention these ISIS heads get and how one is condemned if we say leave them behind.
    maybe the ones who want them back can support the return of the Irish nurse wrongly locked up in the Phillipines, rather than these people who voluntarily went to fight/support a regime(ISIS) that make the middle ages appear civilised.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/government-petitions-philippines-over-irish-nurse-s-drugs-case-1.3240372


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    #55
    jmayo
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    The unbelievable thing is that thanks to US and UK, the far more dangerous ultra orthodox Arab Sunni Saudi and Gulf states are accommodated whereas the Persian Shia state is continously pilloried.


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    #56
    Fastidious
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    put her in the pillory in Dundalk town square


    You're sick..must be great being so perfect and everything, I'm sure you've never done something you've regretted. She obviously wasn't well in head when making the decision to leave nevertheless, I can't help but think that only reason you feel so strongly about this is because or her religion..it's high time the mods silence the views of bigots like you


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    #57
    Sierra Oscar
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    She should be brought back to Ireland and be held accountable for her active support of a terrorist organisation. It is also important that she is properly investigated so that we can determine how exactly she was radicalised in Ireland and who her acquaintances were.

    Just leaving her in Syria is the easy option. If every western country took that approach then we are only compounding the security risk associated with these radicalised individuals. The Syrian Government will be unable to keep them in detention long term, they will slip off the radar of intelligence services and some will return home to commit terrorist atrocities against their home countries. That is what has happened in the past in Middle Eastern and African states. History will repeat itself, only this time the radicalised individuals will be returning home unnoticed to their native countries in Europe.


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    #58
    Tacklebox
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    Giveaway wrote: »
    Ditto here, mainly Shia as colleague. indistinguishable from Irish in friendliness, work ethic and outlook. I hate to see them tarred with the same brush as fundamentalist Sunni islam, they are most frequently the victims of it

    That's for sure, I know a non Sunni Muslim who had radicals threatening him in Galway, can you imagine that.
    In Galway above all place's.

    He's a peaceful guy, always shake's hands and tells me I'm looking well, how's the family etc...


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    #59
    Richard Hillman
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    She should be brought back to Ireland and be held accountable for her active support of a terrorist organisation. It is also important that she is properly investigated so that we can determine how exactly she was radicalised in Ireland and who her acquaintances were.

    Just leaving her in Syria is the easy option. If every western country took that approach then we are only compounding the security risk associated with these radicalised individuals. The Syrian Government will be unable to keep them in detention long term, they will slip off the radar of intelligence services and some will return home to commit terrorist atrocities against their home countries. That is what has happened in the past in Middle Eastern and African states. History will repeat itself, only this time the radicalised individuals will be returning to their native countries in Europe unnoticed.

    The Syrian Government will do as they wish. Acts of war against the state is a capital offence by hanging. Noose her up.


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    #60
    Giveaway
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    Fastidious wrote: »
    You're sick..must be great being so perfect and everything, I'm sure you've never done something you've regretted. She obviously wasn't well in head when making the decision to leave nevertheless, I can't help but think that only reason you feel so strongly about this is because or her religion..it's high time the mods silence the views of bigots like you

    this crap about being in a bad place mentally or mentally ill.
    Mentally ill people do not go and join murderous, genocidal organisations bent on world domination. People who hate go and join these organisations


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    #61
    Fann Linn
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    Fastidious wrote: »
    You're sick..must be great being so perfect and everything, I'm sure you've never done something you've regretted. She obviously wasn't well in head when making the decision to leave nevertheless, I can't help but think that only reason you feel so strongly about this is because or her religion..it's high time the mods silence the views of bigots like you


    Aaah the auld 'mentally unstable' defence. She was in her 30s, not an awe struck adolescent, and she had been a member of the the Defence Forces and would have undergone medical examinations on entering, during and exiting her time there. And yes her mental well being would have been assessed too.

    The only bigots on here are those supporting an ISIS member.


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