Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

flasher0030

Carol25 wrote: »

Andy Moran has been a great servant to Mayo and still has something to offer in e.g. the last 10 minutes of a game. But that's it, he's 36. He's a lot of miles on the clock, there are forwards that showed in the League campaign who could've come on. If Mayo are to progress and become a serious outfit they need to play their new younger forwards and allow them to develop into the Andy Moran's of the future. Ciaran Treacy showed courage and amazing skill in the League final by netting that winning goal. Look at Diarmuid O'Connor's goal effort Saturday evening as an example as to why Mayo need to play their younger forwards.

Diarmuid O'Connor is the grand old age of 24.
Woeful effort alright though

MayoAreMagic

I wouldnt be as quick to dismiss mayo this year. They just dont suit counter-attack football when the conditions suit it. If we look at the league this year, dublin done the same thing to us and we looked a joke. A few weeks later, when playing more orthodox opposition, we win the thing and look the best team in it. We just need to wise up in our play a bit. We made them look better than thet are, the same way we have been doing with galway the last few years.

The thing that sticks most in my mind is that last free. The more i think of oconnor in that whole play, the more annoyed i get. Would it not have occured to try to steal a few yards for it? There was a bit of a schmozzle after the thing was given. Perfect opportunity to get 10 yards and make a hard kick and easy one. Then oconnor stands on the spot with the ball and never takes a single step nearer the goals, full in the knowledge that we have no suitable freetaker on the pitch. Come on man, where is your bit of experience? There are 14 year olds in the county that would know better. It wasnt the reason we lost, but it would have given us another chance at stealing the result.

km79

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I wouldnt be as quick to dismiss mayo this year. They just dont suit counter-attack football when the conditions suit it. If we look at the league this year, dublin done the same thing to us and we looked a joke. A few weeks later, when playing more orthodox opposition, we win the thing and look the best team in it. We just need to wise up in our play a bit. We made them look better than thet are, the same way we have been doing with galway the last few years .

That’s the worry
We refuse to learn

MayoAreMagic

km79 wrote: »

That’s the worry
We refuse to learn

We do and it is. But we have gotten to how many all Ireland finals anyway? It is worth keeping things in perspective - something we arent great at in mayo.

km79

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

We do and it is. But we have gotten to how many all Ireland finals anyway? It is worth keeping things in perspective - something we arent great at in mayo.

But we haven’t made a Connacht final in four years ? That was the primary aim this year for many
And we did nothing last year
And now a lot of the panel are another year older

Horan has to do something he has never done and I don’t think he is capable of doing

Develop a plan B and C

Loafing Oaf

km79 wrote: »

That’s the worry
We refuse to learn

Ger Canning or whoever should borrow Barry Davies's line after Italy lost to South Korea in the 2002 World Cup: “And the Italians are out, because they will not learn.”

PhoneMain

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

The thing that sticks most in my mind is that last free. The more i think of oconnor in that whole play, the more annoyed i get. Would it not have occured to try to steal a few yards for it? There was a bit of a schmozzle after the thing was given. Perfect opportunity to get 10 yards and make a hard kick and easy one. Then oconnor stands on the spot with the ball and never takes a single step nearer the goals, full in the knowledge that we have no suitable freetaker on the pitch. Come on man, where is your bit of experience? There are 14 year olds in the county that would know better. It wasnt the reason we lost, but it would have given us another chance at stealing the result.

In fairness, the linesman pulled him back a few yards, looked like he was trying to steal a few yards.

Hulk Hands

PhoneMain wrote: »

In fairness, the linesman pulled him back a few yards, looked like he was trying to steal a few yards.

McLaughlin kicked the ball from a good 5 yards closer than where it was given also. It was textbook efficiency at robbing a few yards that most from the hands takers try

White lighting

Simple kick any decent footballer would have swung it over. McLoughlin for what ever reason shat himself as he does with frees regularally. You swear it was an impossible kick it wasnt. If an under 14 missed it you would be disappointed in them

jr86

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

We do and it is. But we have gotten to how many all Ireland finals anyway? It is worth keeping things in perspective - something we arent great at in mayo.

It was lovely to make a few finals and there was some unforgettable experiences and all that, and while its nice to lament the good aul days from time to time, we can't keep clinging on that indefinitely

Since 2017, we've had 3 very poor losses in championship, two of them as significant favourites against relegated sides

In the championship, it looks like we're on our way to a position outside of the top 8 in the country, and honestly there's no way it should be the case

Ok some players are pushing on, but we still have a very experienced nucleus of the squad, with great talent available.

However age old issues like poor managerial reactions, daft decision making time and time again from mainly forwards, and an inability to adapt to opposition tactics ensure we're playing way below ourselves

Only for a complete fluke goal last year we may well have lost to Tipperary aswell. Its impossible to be confident really about even making the Super 8s this year, and given the schedule if we do make it, it'd take a brave man to back us for a semi now

And given our form coming into champ and the draw we had, we had a cracking chance to get to the latter stages again.

How frustrating

Panrich

White lighting wrote: »

Simple kick any decent footballer would have swung it over. McLoughlin for what ever reason shat himself as he does with frees regularally. You swear it was an impossible kick it wasnt. If an under 14 missed it you would be disappointed in them

The fact that the saving of the game was down to a last minute free is where we should be looking. We were a man up and had plenty of time and possession to put that game to bed but let them swan down the field for the winner with a man less.

Barlett

Panrich wrote: »

The fact that the saving of the game was down to a last minute free is where we should be looking. We were a man up and had plenty of time and possession to put that game to bed but let them swan down the field for the winner with a man less.

Yeah exactly, when we were level heading into injury time, we were playing like we were a point down. Cool heads were needed, there was extra time to be played if required. We played like an inexperienced team and that's the most disappointing aspect of it all. Players and management often talk about learning from game to game, we seem to learn nothing. It's a hugely frustrating defeat.

Bunny Colvin

Barlett wrote: »

Yeah exactly, when we were level heading into injury time, we were playing like we were a point down. Cool heads were needed, there was extra time to be played if required. We played like an inexperienced team and that's the most disappointing aspect of it all. Players and management often talk about learning from game to game, we seem to learn nothing. It's a hugely frustrating defeat.

It's as frustrating as I can remember. I have to say I don't like our chances for the summer now. There's a lot of banana skins in the qualifiers, as we all know.

We need to try and rotate the team for what's ahead but you might not get away with that either. It's a mess that's completely our own making and the frustrating thing is we were well set up to have a real go at the Super 8's.

PressRun

A couple of days on and I'm still not optimistic about the qualifiers. Obviously you never know with this team and they've come out fighting when their backs were against the wall before, but the more I think about it, the more I just feel that we've majorly complicated things for ourselves now. It's a long way to the Super 8s against potentially unfamiliar opposition, and loads of chances to pick up injuries along the way. Our disorganization the last day was very worrying and problems evident since before this game. I'm not sure the problems we have can be solved while we're on the road. I am sure winning Connacht was a primary aim for this year too, if not THE main aim for the year, and not winning it and not even contesting a final has to be deflating for everyone involved. Obviously players don't go out to lose a game like that, but questions have to be asked of everyone, players and management alike. Is everyone in the right headspace for another slog through the qualifiers? Can we quickly come up with solutions that will fix long term problems?

jj72

Panrich wrote: »

The fact that the saving of the game was down to a last minute free is where we should be looking. We were a man up and had plenty of time and possession to put that game to bed but let them swan down the field for the winner with a man less.

I completely missed this, how were we a man up?

wirelessdude01

jj72 wrote:

I completely missed this, how were we a man up?

Rossies had a man black carded with no subs left.

jj72

I was wondering was that it, didn't take any notice of that at the time

Bunny Colvin

Why wasn't Cillian thrown in for the last twenty minutes either? He was fit for it. The reality is we probably wouldn't have lost the game if he was on the frees.

NabyLadistheman

A shambles on the line is a bit of an understatement. Horan has taken a high risk strategy to defending right throughout the league. Even the last game against Monaghan I thought it was kamikaze stuff going one v one inside. Jack McCarron played hell & Harrison done ok on McManus. We had 2 extra men versus Galway and they managed to counter attack us form a short kick-out, they worked the ball into space where we were one v one and the end result- goal. The same approach happened in the final against Kerry. We obviously coughed up a couple of goals and despite being the most dominant team in the final we still nearly contrived to lose the game. So we cannot say the warning signs weren't there.

The only game that gave me some hope in the league was the Kerry away game. We played more to a system and the full-back line was not isolated whatsoever. I am not talking about taking a blanket defence approach but we need some of our half backs to fill that space in front of the full-back line. Horan showed the Rossies no respect whatsoever. We played up the pitch and were eat alive on the counter attack. The Rossies brought a physical edge which they have not had previously and were fully deserved winners.

We can talk about Hennelly Andy & everybody else until the cows come home but if Horan does not sort this gung ho approach we will be bet by Monaghan/Tyrone/Donegal in the next 2 qualifier rounds.

naughto

Suarezistheman wrote: »

A shambles on the line is a bit of an understatement. Horan has taken a high risk strategy to defending right throughout the league. Even the last game against Monaghan I thought it was kamikaze stuff going one v one inside. Jack McCarron played hell & Harrison done ok on McManus. We had 2 extra men versus Galway and they managed to counter attack us form a short kick-out, they worked the ball into space where we were one v one and the end result- goal. The same approach happened in the final against Kerry. We obviously coughed up a couple of goals and despite being the most dominant team in the final we still nearly contrived to lose the game. So we cannot say the warning signs weren't there.

The only game that gave me some hope in the league was the Kerry away game. We played more to a system and the full-back line was not isolated whatsoever. I am not talking about taking a blanket defence approach but we need some of our half backs to fill that space in front of the full-back line. Horan showed the Rossies no respect whatsoever. We played up the pitch and were eat alive on the counter attack. The Rossies brought a physical edge which they have not had previously and were fully deserved winners.

We can talk about Hennelly Andy & everybody else until the cows come home but if Horan does not sort this gung ho approach we will be bet by Monaghan/Tyrone/Donegal in the next 2 qualifier rounds.

Or game has being runners from the back line you keep durcan Keegan quite you limit or threat big time.

Where was boyler is he injured ?
Something has to be done with Higgins he’s getting caught out far to many times

km79

jj72 wrote: »

I was wondering was that it, didn't take any notice of that at the time

Neither did Horan

km79

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Why wasn't Cillian thrown in for the last twenty minutes either? He was fit for it. The reality is we probably wouldn't have lost the game if he was on the frees.

He wasn’t a sub

Bunny Colvin

km79 wrote: »

He wasn’t a sub

Why wasn't he is the question!

RedDevil55

naughto wrote: »

Or game has being runners from the back line you keep durcan Keegan quite you limit or threat big time.

Where was boyler is he injured ?
Something has to be done with Higgins he’s getting caught out far to many times

But that doesn't have to be our game plan. With Mattie Ruane we now have a very attack minded midfielder so our backs don't need to go forward as much.

Keegan and Durcan can still attack but the other 4 backs should hold their position. Roscommon only kept 2 forwards up for the majority of the game so Keith Higgins and Michael Plunkett should have just acted as sweepers in front of Harrison and Barrett instead of following their men outfield. That would have made it much more difficult for Roscommon to counter attack.

I don't know who Boyle could have came on for last weekend. He can't play in the full back line and isn't as good as Keegan/Durcan these days.

PressRun

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Why wasn't he is the question!

Well no one seems to know what the full story is there. People were asking about his fitness levels or what the story was with him post surgery on this thread a few pages back.

naughto

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Why wasn't he is the question!

He’s no where fit depending who you talk to it’s not his knee but his hamstring.

Another thing why wasn’t O’Shea moved in on Cox he did a job on the Kerry super star surly he could have job on cox

Bunny Colvin

naughto wrote: »

He’s no where fit depending who you talk to it’s not his knee but his hamstring

I was told he absolutely could have played a part Saturday. What's done is done now though.

One thing is for sure though, we badly need him back. Hands up who was confident that we were going to put that last free over? Andy also kicked away a free near the end as well when it should have been placed on the ground. We've got bigger problems but it was a glaring deficiency on Saturday.

seligehgit

Roscommon Review

https://themayonews.podomatic.com/enclosure/2019-05-26T10_54_23-07_00.mp3

James Horan mentioned that Cillian,Fionn,Donie and Seamie are only 5 or 6 days away.

wackokid

I'm not from Mayo but am usually a supporter. Over the years I've had lots of Mayo friends and still do.
Was also an admirer of James Horan, mistakenly thinking he was a good manager/coach.
Standing over the selection of Hennelly in goal last Sunday leaves a serious question mark over his ability.
Nothing personal intended but the dogs on the street know that Clarke is in the top league of keepers and
sadly Rob is way down the list because of his many serious mistakes/mishaps over the years.
One would have to wonder is there some influence other than football ability causing the selection of this poor keeper
in important games?
It now appears that this great bunch of players who have given us all such enjoyment over recent years will not now
reach their true potential and will gradually steal away from the big stage.

wirelessdude01

wackokid wrote:

One would have to wonder is there some influence other than football ability causing the selection of this poor keeper in important games?

This rubbish again 🀔