Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

Blackjack

PressRun wrote: »

He has had surgery on it (I think recently enough), but I don't know if it cleared up the problem for good.

As an aside, you'd miss Jason Doherty. A great tackler and a great man for picking up breaking ball. A great physical presence on the team.

We really miss Jason Doherty. Does a lot of the unseen work that rarely gets credit.

charlie14

PressRun wrote: »

He has had surgery on it (I think recently enough), but I don't know if it cleared up the problem for good.

As an aside, you'd miss Jason Doherty. A great tackler and a great man for picking up breaking ball. A great physical presence on the team.

I`ve noticed that with Doherty. Comes out with a lot of dirty ball from breaks. A lot of players have a physical presence nowadays, but precious few have the vision to do it. Reminds me of Paul Galvin, but with a better temperament.

gigantic09

Blackjack wrote: »

We really miss Jason Doherty. Does a lot of the unseen work that rarely gets credit.

He's missed for sure. It's probably true that he rarely got the credit early in his carrear but as the years went by his true worth to the team has been acknowledged by most people.

eastmayo

Our game v leitrim is live on RTE news channel next Sunday.

Green&Red

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Reape is a former outfield player. Would have been around county u21 squads from 2016-2018 as a forward.
Ray Dempsey turned him into a keeper. Comes from good pedigree as the Reapes from Knockmore would always have been good goalkeepers.
He plays kinda as an extra defender at times very brave and good under a high ball.
He has what can only be described as a club foot on him when needed.

His dad played in goal for Mayo in the early 90s

Still raw as a goalie, made a mistake against Ballina in the first game, high ball in that he should have put Evan Regan into the stand with but that was the only goal he conceded in the championship. Got out of jail in the semi final when one of his kick outs went straight to a Ballina forward but they butchered what should have been a goal.
So he is still learning but IMO he has all the skills to be a great goalie

I’m told he’ll be in the panel next spring

km79

Green&Red wrote: »

His dad played in goal for Mayo in the early 90s

Still raw as a goalie, made a mistake against Ballina in the first game, high ball in that he should have put Evan Regan into the stand with but that was the only goal he conceded in the championship. Got out of jail in the semi final when one of his kick outs went straight to a Ballina forward but they butchered what should have been a goal.
So he is still learning but IMO he has all the skills to be a great goalie

I’m told he’ll be in the panel next spring

Sounds like a combination of Clarke and Hennelly
And not in a good way

seligehgit

Reape had a very good club championship overall when it truly mattered.

wirelessdude01

seligehgit wrote: »

Reape had a very good club championship overall when it truly mattered.

For a lad who was a forward this timeless year he can only get better. He has all the fundamentals, good hands brave, good kickouts and doesn't seem to buckle under pressure.

That kickout straight to Ballina in the semifinal, next kickout he nailed.

Green&Red

km79 wrote: »

Sounds like a combination of Clarke and Hennelly
And not in a good way

Those were two of three mistakes he made for the full championship, he was outstanding. Against Claremorris he hit Orme with a kick out, Orme was about 30 yards from goal, it was phenomenal

RedDevil55

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

For a lad who was a forward this timeless year he can only get better. He has all the fundamentals, good hands brave, good kickouts and doesn't seem to buckle under pressure.

That kickout straight to Ballina in the semifinal, next kickout he nailed.

I said yesterday that division 2 would be a negative for the development of Oisín Mullin and Eoghan McLaughlin so this is a bit of a contradiction... Division 2 could be ideal for blooding a new keeper. He could get a handful of games under his belt away from national media attention and probably without crowds again.

Anyway that's for another day!

km79

Green&Red wrote: »

Those were two of three mistakes he made for the full championship, he was outstanding. Against Claremorris he hit Orme with a kick out, Orme was about 30 yards from goal, it was phenomenal

I was only messing !

thesultan

eastmayo wrote: »

Our game v leitrim is live on RTE news channel next Sunday.

Time? It's down as ulster championship

seligehgit

thesultan wrote: »

Time? It's down as ulster championship

That game is pencilled in for RTE 2.

gigantic09

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I said yesterday that division 2 would be a negative for the development of Oisín Mullin and Eoghan McLaughlin so this is a bit of a contradiction... Division 2 could be ideal for blooding a new keeper. He could get a handful of games under his belt away from national media attention and probably without crowds again.

Anyway that's for another day!

Would it be madness to throw him in against Leitrim?. Its a game we should win at our ease. No fans so that should ease the pressure. Clarke didn't seem to benefit from an absence of crowd at all, maybe hennelly will, who knows. I don't think we will win an all Ireland with those two at this stage so would it not be better to cut our losses. I realise Horan is highly unlikely to do this but worth the risk imo. We have a nice team coming together and it would be a shame to fall before the finish again because of goalkeeping errors.

redbuck

km79 wrote: »

James Carr?

I heard there was a Covid outbreak at Ardagh about a month ago, that’s pure speculation on my part though.

LeoB

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I said yesterday that division 2 would be a negative for the development of Oisín Mullin and Eoghan McLaughlin so this is a bit of a contradiction... Division 2 could be ideal for blooding a new keeper. He could get a handful of games under his belt away from national media attention and probably without crowds again.

Anyway that's for another day!

As a Dub I always enjoy reading the Mayo thread. Jeasus you lads do some analysis. There is nothing wrong with Division 2. There will be some great battles there. Meath are very good and improving, Down and Cork the same so plenty of hard work ahead.

The only thing Mayo need is a new keeper and A.O'S at edge of square.

The players are there in every other position. Conroy is a class act. The real supporters will still be there.

TCDStudent1

LeoB wrote: »

As a Dub I always enjoy reading the Mayo thread. Jeasus you lads do some analysis. There is nothing wrong with Division 2. There will be some great battles there. Meath are very good and improving, Down and Cork the same so plenty of hard work ahead.

The only thing Mayo need is a new keeper and A.O'S at edge of square.

The players are there in every other position. Conroy is a class act. The real supporters will still be there.

I really enjoyed D2 when Galway were in it. Got to see new grounds (e.g. only time I have been to Brewster Park was a D2 clash between Galway & Fermanagh). Also enjoyed the matches not getting as much exposure. It made being there that bit more unique and special.



However, it becomes problematic when you stay down there too long (as was the case for Galway). D2 can be hard. It is usually the closest division in recent years. Often there is very little between those who get promoted and those who get relegated.

LeoB

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I really enjoyed D2 when Galway were in it. Got to see new grounds (e.g. only time I have been to Brewster Park was a D2 clash between Galway & Fermanagh). Also enjoyed the matches not getting as much exposure. It made being there that bit more unique and special.



However, it becomes problematic when you stay down there too long (as was the case for Galway). D2 can be hard. It is usually the closest division in recent years. Often there is very little between those who get promoted and those who get relegated.

Yes agree. It certainly makes it more interesting However a county with the talent and hunger Mayo have will come straight back up if they want. Other counties who went down were having all sorts of problems.
When you look at it Division one with current teams and add in Mayo, Cork, Down Meath and Derry would be very competitive. On a given day any of these teams can take a big scalp. And if they take one they can take two.

PhoneMain

LeoB wrote: »

As a Dub I always enjoy reading the Mayo thread. Jeasus you lads do some analysis. There is nothing wrong with Division 2. There will be some great battles there. Meath are very good and improving, Down and Cork the same so plenty of hard work ahead.

The only thing Mayo need is a new keeper and A.O'S at edge of square.

The players are there in every other position. Conroy is a class act. The real supporters will still be there.

I'm hoping ta feck crowds are allowed back in, I live in the midlands so theres plenty of games coming my way! Westmeath, Kildare and Laois!

Loafing Oaf

PhoneMain wrote: »

I'm hoping ta feck crowds are allowed back in, I

Extremely unlikely as long as we're in level 5 I'm afraid

PhoneMain

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Extremely unlikely as long as we're in level 5 I'm afraid

Yeah true that, hard to know what football structure will be like next year anway!

flasher0030

LeoB wrote: »

As a Dub I always enjoy reading the Mayo thread. Jeasus you lads do some analysis. There is nothing wrong with Division 2. There will be some great battles there. Meath are very good and improving, Down and Cork the same so plenty of hard work ahead.

The only thing Mayo need is a new keeper and A.O'S at edge of square.

The players are there in every other position. Conroy is a class act. The real supporters will still be there.

I understand where you're coming from. But it leaves the manager in a bit of a predicament. For the first season in Division, the pressure is on Horan and the players to make the jum straight away back up to Division 1. Anything less would seem like failure (unless to win SAM first). So he will always have on his mind to filed as strong a team as possible. This can obviously be to the detriment of trying to blood new players in. Whereas in Division 1, you'd know you'd probably be safe with 3 wins out of 7.
It's a tricky one.

charlie14

flasher0030 wrote: »

I understand where you're coming from. But it leaves the manager in a bit of a predicament. For the first season in Division, the pressure is on Horan and the players to make the jum straight away back up to Division 1. Anything less would seem like failure (unless to win SAM first). So he will always have on his mind to filed as strong a team as possible. This can obviously be to the detriment of trying to blood new players in. Whereas in Division 1, you'd know you'd probably be safe with 3 wins out of 7.
It's a tricky one.

I may be proven wrong, but for me there are only three teams that will be in the hunt for promotion. Mayo, Cork and Meath. Beat both or even one of them and you go back up. That leaves five games you can experiment with.

PARlance

charlie14 wrote: »

I may be proven wrong, but for me there are only three teams that will be in the hunt for promotion. Mayo, Cork and Meath. Beat both or even one of them and you go back up. That leaves five games you can experiment with.

Not to sound cocky but we shouldn't have any problem getting back up. Now, we wouldn't be Mayo if we made it easy on ourselves so I'm sure we will make it interesting along the way...but I think we're a fair bit ahead of even Cork and Meath at the moment.

I've no real issue with going down. It could be a plus if it give some young forwards experience and a bit of confidence that they mightn't get as easy in Div 1.... the only pressure really being that it has to promotion at the first attempt.

eastmayo

Where the Gaa talking about changing the leagues for next year due to covid?Each div been split in to 2 with the top team in each group playing a final?

LeoB

flasher0030 wrote: »

I understand where you're coming from. But it leaves the manager in a bit of a predicament. For the first season in Division, the pressure is on Horan and the players to make the jum straight away back up to Division 1. Anything less would seem like failure (unless to win SAM first). So he will always have on his mind to filed as strong a team as possible. This can obviously be to the detriment of trying to blood new players in. Whereas in Division 1, you'd know you'd probably be safe with 3 wins out of 7.
It's a tricky one.

He cant keep going back to the same well. He knows 10-12 certs in his team. Strength in depth is vital. A good few lads have serious miles on the clock. There are some great young players on the fringes but they wont develop on the fringes. They have to be played regularly ahead of "first" choice players.

Dont play A. O'S, C.O'C, k. Mc, Higgins Keegan Durcan etc. They should be only a bit part in any league campaign up to last 2 games. It will pay off in the long run.

muddle84

LeoB wrote: »

He cant keep going back to the same well. He knows 10-12 certs in his team. Strength in depth is vital. A good few lads have serious miles on the clock. There are some great young players on the fringes but they wont develop on the fringes. They have to be played regularly ahead of "first" choice players.

Dont play A. O'S, C.O'C, k. Mc, Higgins Keegan Durcan etc. They should be only a bit part in any league campaign up to last 2 games. It will pay off in the long run.

Yes, players need game time to develop. But surely they need game time with the experienced lads? How do they improve with all the lads to show them the way are watching from the benches?

wirelessdude01

LeoB wrote: »

He cant keep going back to the same well. He knows 10-12 certs in his team. Strength in depth is vital. A good few lads have serious miles on the clock. There are some great young players on the fringes but they wont develop on the fringes. They have to be played regularly ahead of "first" choice players.

Dont play A. O'S, C.O'C, k. Mc, Higgins Keegan Durcan etc. They should be only a bit part in any league campaign up to last 2 games. It will pay off in the long run.

Mix and match. A lot of young/inexperienced players don't get a proper chance.

You see how they fit in with the more elite lads and whether they can rise to their level.

seligehgit

eastmayo wrote: »

Where the Gaa talking about changing the leagues for next year due to covid?Each div been split in to 2 with the top team in each group playing a final?

Ta an ceart agat.

There has been talk of same.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40050821.html

km79

seligehgit wrote: »

Ta an ceart agat.

There has been talk of same.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40050821.html

So
Division one will have 12 teams and no relegation this year is it