Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

happyoutscan

That bit of selfishness from Coen today was what he is known for unfortunately. On his day he can point from everywhere and is a joy to watch. On those days when it isn't going for him though, his decision making is infuriating. Getting a goal at that stage today would have been very welcome.

I know its kind of tricky to do, but can anyone give me a rundown on Reape from Knockmore as I know little about him?

I know Jennings of Ballinrobe is very highly rated, but isn't he still fairly small for a keeper or am I imagining someone said that to me?

I’ve been off boards gaa for a few years but check now and again but had to reregister to get this off my chest

The comments on here are very disappointing, too much of an attitude of relegation will do us good, we can blood new players bla bla. What a load of rubbish, as usual letting the players with their big egos(we all know who they are) away with letting us down yet AGAIN. We had a terrible league up until the Galway game, put in a strong performance and as usual got too cocky. We lost to a Tyrone team that had zero to play for, they were resting plenty of players and we were at home.

I view yesterday’s game as another all Ireland final, a must win game but instead we let a previous result get the better as of us and think we are invincible. When will we learn?

We need to be honest and stop this crap if not facing facts. There are no positives to take from yesterday, this fairy carry on is why we keep falling at the final hurdle and are destined to not win Sam until the current crop of overrated players retire. As long as we the fans keep saying ah sure it’s all right we’ll beat them all in the next competition they know failure is fine.

Winning the league last year was magic, so disappointing not have taken the taste of sweet success and built on that. I fear for our future.

I hope I am proved wrong.

wirelessdude01

happyoutscan wrote: »

I know its kind of tricky to do, but can anyone give me a rundown on Reape from Knockmore as I know little about him?

I know Jennings of Ballinrobe is very highly rated, but isn't he still fairly small for a keeper or am I imagining someone said that to me?

Reape is a former outfield player. Would have been around county u21 squads from 2016-2018 as a forward.
Ray Dempsey turned him into a keeper. Comes from good pedigree as the Reapes from Knockmore would always have been good goalkeepers.
He plays kinda as an extra defender at times very brave and good under a high ball.
He has what can only be described as a club foot on him when needed.

westsidestory

Mayo_fan wrote: »

I’ve been off boards gaa for a few years but check now and again but had to reregister to get this off my chest

The comments on here are very disappointing, too much of an attitude of relegation will do us good, we can blood new players bla bla. What a load of rubbish, as usual letting the players with their big egos(we all know who they are) away with letting us down yet AGAIN. We had a terrible league up until the Galway game, put in a strong performance and as usual got too cocky. We lost to a Tyrone team that had zero to play for, they were resting plenty of players and we were at home.

I view yesterday’s game as another all Ireland final, a must win game but instead we let a previous result get the better as of us and think we are invincible. When will we learn?

We need to be honest and stop this crap if not facing facts. There are no positives to take from yesterday, this fairy carry on is why we keep falling at the final hurdle and are destined to not win Sam until the current crop of overrated players retire. As long as we the fans keep saying ah sure it’s all right we’ll beat them all in the next competition they know failure is fine.

Winning the league last year was magic, so disappointing not have taken the taste of sweet success and built on that. I fear for our future.

I hope I am proved wrong.

Good grief!!

seligehgit

Mayo_fan wrote: »

I’ve been off boards gaa for a few years but check now and again but had to reregister to get this off my chest

The comments on here are very disappointing, too much of an attitude of relegation will do us good, we can blood new players bla bla. What a load of rubbish, as usual letting the players with their big egos(we all know who they are) away with letting us down yet AGAIN. We had a terrible league up until the Galway game, put in a strong performance and as usual got too cocky. We lost to a Tyrone team that had zero to play for, they were resting plenty of players and we were at home.

I view yesterday’s game as another all Ireland final, a must win game but instead we let a previous result get the better as of us and think we are invincible. When will we learn?

We need to be honest and stop this crap if not facing facts. There are no positives to take from yesterday, this fairy carry on is why we keep falling at the final hurdle and are destined to not win Sam until the current crop of overrated players retire. As long as we the fans keep saying ah sure it’s all right we’ll beat them all in the next competition they know failure is fine.

Winning the league last year was magic, so disappointing not have taken the taste of sweet success and built on that. I fear for our future.

I hope I am proved wrong.

Stopped reading after the bolded.

Tyrone had nothing to play for.:D

Nobody saying it's all hunky dory but there were positives to be derived from yesterday's performance.

I would agree with you that we were blessed to get a point against Donegal and our win in Meath bordered on daylight robbery.

Having said that I'm absolutely devastated we've been relegated to division 2.

km79

wirelessdude01

Mayo_fan wrote: »

I’ve been off boards gaa for a few years but check now and again but had to reregister to get this off my chest

The comments on here are very disappointing, too much of an attitude of relegation will do us good, we can blood new players bla bla. What a load of rubbish, as usual letting the players with their big egos(we all know who they are) away with letting us down yet AGAIN. We had a terrible league up until the Galway game, put in a strong performance and as usual got too cocky. We lost to a Tyrone team that had zero to play for, they were resting plenty of players and we were at home.

I view yesterday’s game as another all Ireland final, a must win game but instead we let a previous result get the better as of us and think we are invincible. When will we learn?

We need to be honest and stop this crap if not facing facts. There are no positives to take from yesterday, this fairy carry on is why we keep falling at the final hurdle and are destined to not win Sam until the current crop of overrated players retire. As long as we the fans keep saying ah sure it’s all right we’ll beat them all in the next competition they know failure is fine.

Winning the league last year was magic, so disappointing not have taken the taste of sweet success and built on that. I fear for our future.

I hope I am proved wrong.

A Tyrone team with nothing to play for ehh? Ahh relegation.
Resting players, go on and tell us who they rested?

The use of the word "egos" makes me remember a pretty vitriolic previous poster who used to have a fascination with one particular club and their county players.

km79

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

A Tyrone team with nothing to play for ehh? Ahh relegation.
Resting players, go on and tell us who they rested?

The use of the word "egos" makes me remember a pretty vitriolic previous poster who used to have a fascination with one particular club and their county players.

Indeed
I wonder why the poster had to “reregister”........

happyoutscan

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Reape is a former outfield player. Would have been around county u21 squads from 2016-2018 as a forward.
Ray Dempsey turned him into a keeper. Comes from good pedigree as the Reapes from Knockmore would always have been good goalkeepers.
He plays kinda as an extra defender at times very brave and good under a high ball.
He has what can only be described as a club foot on him when needed.

Sounds almost too good to be true. Fingers crossed.

seligehgit

seligehgit wrote: »

I would agree with you that we were blessed to get a point against Donegal and our win in Meath bordered on daylight robbery.

Having said that I'm absolutely devastated we've been relegated to division 2.

This is the honesty that this thread is missing that I eluded to.

Instead we have comments such as div 2 will do us good, blood new players(what sort of rubbish talk is this, does no team in div 1 “blood new players”), visit new towns, laugh a Roscommon getting relegated, we’ll be straight back up. Relegation is serious stuff, from the talk on here it sounds like we are already taking it for granted, plenty of tough football ahead of us which is going to need consistent strong performances which we are not renowned for.

Yesterday should have been treated as an all Ireland, forget about what Monaghan were doing (has anyone called our they did ya a favour?). A new chapter for us. Instead we arrived off a big win and plenty of team didn’t turn up for long periods of the game, does it sound familiar?

flasher0030

mayo londoner wrote: »

Disagree with you about Moran, the lad is insanely talented, but you have a point about conditions not suiting him, however a good surface like Croker if we get to semi final stage and he'll be in his element.

And to everyone jumping down my throat about Cillian, not disrespecting the fella in the slightest, quality player, just feel that injuries have caught up with him a bit and doesn't contribute as much to play as he used to! Think refs have copped on to his antics too and give him feck all leeway now which is a big negative. He'd be an unreal option to bring on with 20mins to go say in a tight game but I know if I had the choice between him and the likes of O'Donoghue/Carr at this stage I know how I'd be starting and developing further. Don't think we would have won that game today regardless with our tactics in the first half. Not playing a sweeper against a breeze like that was unforgiveable

I'm pretty sure that if Cillian O'Connor was playing today instead of Bryan Walsh or Mark Moran, we would have won. We need a consistent experienced free-taker on the field. He scored 11 points last week. 10 frees. Free-taking is not just some secondary importance in a game. It's fundamental.

Darren Coen reminds me so much of Mickey Conroy from about 15 years ago. Looks great when things fall into place. But minimal consistencey. Frustrating to watch as a spectator, and must be more frustrating to play with. How he didn't square the ball for Aidan O'Shea who was on the edge of the box, when he no hope of getting a goal himself. It's nothing personal against Coen. I know nothing about him. But he seems like a glory hunter on the pitch. And that's detrimental in a team sport. Cillian O'Connor bring a calm aura to the forwards and will get them involved in the game i.e. when in better position for a score.

flasher0030

Mayo_fan wrote: »

This is the honesty that this thread is missing that I eluded to.

Instead we have comments such as div 2 will do us good, blood new players(what sort of rubbish talk is this, does no team in div 1 “blood new players”), visit new towns, laugh a Roscommon getting relegated, we’ll be straight back up. Relegation is serious stuff, from the talk on here it sounds like we are already taking it for granted, plenty of tough football ahead of us which is going to need consistent strong performances which we are not renowned for.

Yesterday should have been treated as an all Ireland, forget about what Monaghan were doing (has anyone called our they did ya a favour?). A new chapter for us. Instead we arrived off a big win and plenty of team didn’t turn up for long periods of the game, does it sound familiar?[/QUOTE

For you to be taken seriously, can you explain the logic of your comment that "Tyrone had zero to play for". If there is something meaningful behind that, then you'd have some credibility. If not, then you've shown yourself to be bereft of knowledge of the game. And might be better for all here if you resume you're sabatical from Boards.
Just out of curiousity, are you the same poster as The Master (I think that was the name) from HoganStand. It was the same end-of-the-world guff that was being spouted day post after post. If you're not, you should join him/her for a chinwag. Ye'd get on delightfully!!!

Sebastian Dangerfield

flasher0030 wrote: »

Darren Coen reminds me so much of Mickey Conroy from about 15 years ago. Looks great when things fall into place. But minimal consistencey. Frustrating to watch as a spectator, and must be more frustrating to play with. How he didn't square the ball for Aidan O'Shea who was on the edge of the box, when he no hope of getting a goal himself. It's nothing personal against Coen. I know nothing about him. But he seems like a glory hunter on the pitch. And that's detrimental in a team sport. Cillian O'Connor bring a calm aura to the forwards and will get them involved in the game i.e. when in better position for a score.

His shot selection is absurd at times. He seems a real confidence player and when things go his way he looks unreal (Galway in the qualifiers last year comes to mind, I could be mistaken). But by Jesus when they don't, some of the shots he takes on are ludicrous.

I always feel like wide stats imply poor kicking / poor execution, but so often over the last couple of years with Mayo, they're taking on shots that should never be taken, and Coen embodies that.

RedDevil55

Coen had a poor 1st half but kicked two nice points early in the 2nd half. I was surprised he got hooked after that as once his eye is in, there's nobody more dangerous.

HBC08

Mayo_fan wrote: »

I’ve been off boards gaa for a few years but check now and again but had to reregister to get this off my chest

The comments on here are very disappointing, too much of an attitude of relegation will do us good, we can blood new players bla bla. What a load of rubbish, as usual letting the players with their big egos(we all know who they are) away with letting us down yet AGAIN. We had a terrible league up until the Galway game, put in a strong performance and as usual got too cocky. We lost to a Tyrone team that had zero to play for, they were resting plenty of players and we were at home.

I view yesterday’s game as another all Ireland final, a must win game but instead we let a previous result get the better as of us and think we are invincible. When will we learn?

We need to be honest and stop this crap if not facing facts. There are no positives to take from yesterday, this fairy carry on is why we keep falling at the final hurdle and are destined to not win Sam until the current crop of overrated players retire. As long as we the fans keep saying ah sure it’s all right we’ll beat them all in the next competition they know failure is fine.

Winning the league last year was magic, so disappointing not have taken the taste of sweet success and built on that. I fear for our future.

I hope I am proved wrong.

You might want to change your username.

Lukekul

Imagine getting wound up that Mayo fans (of all people!) try to look on the bright side and to the future

NabyLadistheman

Grim enough posting form alot of knee jerkers. People giving out about Cillian because he is injured? Do you think he wants to be injured? We had more than enough to win yesterday without him but unfortunately our manager thinks we can just blow every opposition team away.

This all out attack approach will cost us against the better teams. It cost us last year against Roscommon in the championship. Oisin Mullins great talent and all as he is should maybe focus on keeping his man scoreless that galavanting up the pitch at every minute of the game. Canavan after scoring 1-1 and off up the pitch, absolutely senseless. But it's hardly his fault when it's a directive from management. Could you imagine playing in that full-back line? Acres of space in front of ya and no protection. Tyrone counter attacked to perfection, as we all knew they would if Mayo took the same approach as against Galway.

See what Tyrone did with Mark Moran? Detailed a man to pick him up and snuff him out after seeing him run riot the week before. What did we do with McKenna? Put McLoughlin in at 6 completely out of his depth and expect him to mark there main threat. Horan has previous here with match-ups and it appears he is not for learning.

I think the Clarke situation has been spoken about at length here including my own opinion so im not getting into it much now. Morgans kick outs with the wind were landing on our 45 where as we were chipping them out to our half back line. Why in the name of god has Horan not brought in a younger keeper or an alternative option with a view to the future? Young Jennings form Ballinrobe is a massive prospect, get him in there now with the group learning from them and maybe a few games.

Plenty of positives to take mainly the explosive pace of Tommy Conroy. We have been crying out for a player like this for years. I thought Ryan O'Donoghue & Fionn did really well when introduced. I would have left Coen on, well able to take a score and was out on front all day. Whatever about a Nestor Cup we need to get our stuff together for the Rossies or it will be a short championship.

TCDStudent1

seligehgit wrote: »

Welcome to Boards.:)

Great to see a new poster on the thread.

Robust debate is the name of the game and it gets a lot more heated than this.

Totally agree with you re Mark Moran but I'll have to respectfully disagree with your inclination to use Cillian as a 20 minute impact substitute.

Hope I'm not misrepresenting you.

Last week he showcased his talents with his free taking and game intelligence.

His loss today should not be underestimated.

As a previous poster mentioned he'd likely have buried Darren Coen's guilt edged goal opportunity or squared it to a frustrated Aidan O Shea.

I very much doubt he would have spurned that critical free missed in the second half.

That's not laying blame on a particular player but more so emphasising how critical a FIT Cillian O Connor is to Mayo.

While I get your point, I will counter it by saying that O'Connor kicked 2 very scorable frees short v Galway. My guess if that if another player kicked those on that day, there would be people on here saying O'Connor would never have missed them.



O'Connor is a good player. However, I am not convinced his free-taking is as good as it was. And I think he is sometimes a little too unaware of his own limitations by taking on shots a bit outside his range.

seligehgit

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

While I get your point, I will counter it by saying that O'Connor kicked 2 very scorable frees short v Galway. My guess if that if another player kicked those on that day, there would be people on here saying O'Connor would never have missed them.



O'Connor is a good player. However, I am not convinced his free-taking is as good as it was. And I think he is sometimes a little too unaware of his own limitations by taking on shots a bit outside his range.

He's certainly not as reliable nor as accurate as in his hey day.

The extent of his range has never extended beyond the 45 yard line at a stretch.

He kicked some wonderful 45s off the ground against Dublin in 2012 semi final.

A long since lost art.

Murphy and to a lesser Rock extent reign supreme in same art.It's rare to see the wonderful Conor Mc Manus kick frees from the ground.

Bottom line is though Cillian is still our most dependable free taker in general and in those clutch moments.

Await jibes re the missed free to tie it up vs Dublin and the one that hit the post.:D

HBC08

Re Cillian,his range on frees/45s is definitely not what it was and hasnt been for a few years.Its strange as this might happen to lads at the end of their careers but happen to Cillian about 3/4 years ago when he was 24/25.
I think Diarmuid is as reliable or more so for long range frees.
Having said that I think he is underrated in general by Mayo fans and almost derided outside the county.I think we would have won that game with him yesteday and hopefully he's back when we put the rossies back in their box.

TCDStudent1

seligehgit wrote: »

He's certainly not as reliable nor as accurate as in his hey day.

The extent of his range has never extended beyond the 45 yard line at a stretch.

He kicked some wonderful 45s off the ground against Dublin in 2012 semi final.

A long since lost art.

Murphy and to a lesser Rock extent reign supreme in same art.It's rare to see the wonderful Conor Mc Manus kick frees from the ground.

Bottom line is though Cillian is still our most dependable free taker in general and in those clutch moments.

Await jibes re the missed free to tie it up vs Dublin and the one that hit the post.

They did come to mind in my earlier post but I decided to omit them :)

wirelessdude01

HBC08 wrote: »

Re Cillian,his range on frees/45s is definitely not what it was and hasnt been for a few years.Its strange as this might happen to lads at the end of their careers but happen to Cillian about 3/4 years ago when he was 24/25.
I think Diarmuid is as reliable or more so for long range frees.
Having said that I think he is underrated in general by Mayo fans and almost derided outside the county.I think we would have won that game with him yesteday and hopefully he's back when we put the rossies back in their box.

Think Cillians range has been impacted by muscle issues in his legs. His kicking style has changed get over the years and think this is to try and alleviate the stress and strain on his legs.

Remember reading something about Jonny Sexton changing his kicking stance to aid his hammers.

DDC1990

Is Hennelly gone from the panel or injured?

charlie14

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Think Cillians range has been impacted by muscle issues in his legs. His kicking style has changed get over the years and think this is to try and alleviate the stress and strain on his legs.

Remember reading something about Jonny Sexton changing his kicking stance to aid his hammers.

I believe you have hit the nail on the head there. I can see no other reason that an inter county footballer of his age would have a problem with distance that he did not have in the past.
He does seem to a lot of problems with injury the last few years which would leas me to suspect it`s a recurring one.

wirelessdude01

Just saw something on an insta page. Go back and look at McKenna's first goal. In the leadup to the goal Canavan picks the ball straight off the ground. The ref can't be more than 15feet from him.

Blackjack

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Just saw something on an insta page. Go back and look at McKenna's first goal. In the leadup to the goal Canavan picks the ball straight off the ground. The ref can't be more than 15feet from him.

Done and dusted now. I wouldn’t be looking back for that sort of thing. Sometimes these things go against you and sometimes they don’t.

PressRun

charlie14 wrote: »

I believe you have hit the nail on the head there. I can see no other reason that an inter county footballer of his age would have a problem with distance that he did not have in the past.
He does seem to a lot of problems with injury the last few years which would leas me to suspect it`s a recurring one.

Cillian has had problems with his knee for years. He played the entire 2015 championship on painkillers due to it.

charlie14

PressRun wrote: »

Cillian has had problems with his knee for years. He played the entire 2015 championship on painkillers due to it.

I thought the knee problem had been sorted, but I`m starting to have my doubts.

PressRun

charlie14 wrote: »

I thought the knee problem had been sorted, but I`m starting to have my doubts.

He has had surgery on it (I think recently enough), but I don't know if it cleared up the problem for good.

As an aside, you'd miss Jason Doherty. A great tackler and a great man for picking up breaking ball. A great physical presence on the team.

km79

James Carr?