Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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After watching mayo play meath I don't think they have a snowballs chance in hell of beating Dublin. They won't even come close 7 point difference at best

JayReale

Octavia Curved Loner wrote:

After watching mayo play meath I don't think they have a snowballs chance in hell of beating Dublin. They won't even come close 7 point difference at best

Thanks for the heads up. Disappointing to hear, but good to be pre-warned.

Fr Tod Umptious

Octavia Curved Loner wrote: »

After watching mayo play meath I don't think they have a snowballs chance in hell of beating Dublin. They won't even come close 7 point difference at best

Christ if you think they will be beaten by at least 7 based on the Meath game you should have seen the Kerry game.

Kalyke

Octavia Curved Loner wrote: »

After watching mayo play meath I don't think they have a snowballs chance in hell of beating Dublin. They won't even come close 7 point difference at best

At least this is one of your nicer posts....

Rockfish

Car is in the garage so going to take the train, be a new experience for me, going to a match this way. Have pre booked a seat, am i daft or will it be a free for all? Ticket booked from Ballyhaunis but thinking i might go to Castlebar instead and get on there? Im sure there will be no check etcs. Years since ive been on the train :cool:

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Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Christ if you think they will be beaten by at least 7 based on the Meath game you should have seen the Kerry game.

There's obviously quality in the side but it's the bench that will be the difference.

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Kalyke wrote: »

At least this is one of your nicer posts....

? First post on the thread.

jr86

flasher0030 wrote: »

Was having a read over in Willie Joe's Mayo blog. I know some people here might also be contributors there. But God, you wouldn't want to say anything negative against our chances over there. I didn't anyway, cause anything is possible after Castlebar last Saturday evening. One chap was basically saying to give up your ticket now if you're not willing to drown out the dubs on noise levels for the best part of 80 minutes.
There's lots of poetic, flowery language of how we're all going into battle together.
I hope Mayo get over the line on Saturday. But I certianly wouldn't be going around spouting that we will definately win because we have more passion, want it more etc. etc.

Stop, some posters on it are as odd as feck. As bunny said, talking in riddles and the likes. How on earth do so many of them congregate on that site? It's like some cult honestly to any outsiders - we're mainly normal in Mayo, don't worry

Haha as you say so many posts along the lines of "we'll win because we want it more". Haha did ya ever hear such rubbish. I'd doubt Dublin are too pushed about the 5 in a row alright!

Maybe some of them are complete wind up merchants laughing at everyone's expense? They have to be...

On the flipside there are some outstanding posters on it, but I'll be focked if I'm going wading through that comments section with its layout!

The brown nosing of Willie Joe is hilarious too. Good on him though, he never acknowledges it and - I'd imagine - probably completely cringes at it himself

Agree with Bunny, he can be precious with the moderation and I lost a bit of respect for him after his stance on newbridge last year and being so petty at people who disagreed with him. And his out of order accusations at Ronan Shanahan in the league.

But fair play to him, must be some nuisance to run and moderate. Respect to him for not packing it in long ago.

Kalyke

Octavia Curved Loner wrote: »

Kalyke wrote: »

At least this is one of your nicer posts....

? First post on the thread.

Yeah... First post...

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Kalyke wrote: »

Yeah... First post...

Lol Wtf?

Martina1991

Rockfish wrote: »

Car is in the garage so going to take the train, be a new experience for me, going to a match this way. Have pre booked a seat, am i daft or will it be a free for all? Ticket booked from Ballyhaunis but thinking i might go to Castlebar instead and get on there? Im sure there will be no check etcs. Years since ive been on the train :cool:

I'm taking the train as well. It's great craic.
Everyone is wrecked from a poor nights sleep.
The hang sandwiches are packed.
There's a gang of young ones skulling cans as soon as they've pulled out of the station.
Some people have the tabloids with them, speculating who'll mark who and if this is Andy's last year.
The tidal wave of green and red pours onto the Luas stop at Heuston.

And we all have about 6 hours to kill before throw in.

homewardbound11

Trying to make comparisons with 2017. I’m also trying to be optimistic and realistic also .

In 2017 at half time mayo were leading. In the 76th minute we were level only for that rock free .
Bookies had us at 40:1 on that day for mayo to lead at half time and a draw .So comparisons made , we weren’t given a snowballs chance, yet we were agonizingly close to success.

Saturday is no different . Mayo should aim for plus 3 at half time as a target minimum and have the reserves like Diarmuid/ Andy to come in. Our bench will then be the winning or loosing of this match . If we manage to be in the position of+3 at halftime time we will most definitely have a more experienced panel to carry us forward .

DDC1990

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Coillte_Bhoy

Martina1991 wrote: »

I'm taking the train as well. It's great craic.
Everyone is wrecked from a poor nights sleep.
The hang sandwiches are packed.
There's a gang of young ones skulling cans as soon as they've pulled out of the station.
Some people have the tabloids with them, speculating who'll mark who and if this is Andy's last year.
The tidal wave of green and red pours onto the Luas stop at Heuston.

And we all have about 6 hours to kill before throw in.

Actually im wondering the same, is it a free for all or do people respect the booked seats? Not too pushed but dont fancy standing for the journey. Anyway looking forward to it, haent been to a match by train for a while either

Coillte_Bhoy

OTB show from Achill was a decent listen, bit of crack. MacHale prediction, 3 red cards and Mayo by 2:pac: . Comer reckoned we'd be ahead at HT and lose it in the end,my fear too

Martina1991

Coillte_Bhoy wrote:

Actually im wondering the same, is it a free for all or do people respect the booked seats? Not too pushed but dont fancy standing for the journey. Anyway looking forward to it, haent been to a match by train for a while either

People generally respect the names above the pre booked seats.

For these match trains everyone should be pre booked anyway.

kala85

Was on the train I think two years ago for the Kerry vs Mayo replay and it was carnage.

People had pre booked carriages G and H for the train and then on the morning of the match , irish rail decided to cancel those two carriages and those passengers had to stand on the other carriages. There was people everywhere. Never seen it so bad.

Generally the train is fairly good but you would want to reserve a seat !

And also for the return train from hueston, you need to have the particular train that you are getting on booked - an open day return might not get you on the train home as priority is given to people who have a reserved seat on that particular train.

As I found out an open day return allows you to board any train as long as there is space on it. ( but an open day return doesnt guarantee you travel on on every train)

seligehgit

Another very good article by Eamon Donoghue.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-statistics-who-should-patrick-durcan-and-lee-keegan-track-1.3980014?mode=amp

Stoner

seligehgit wrote:

Another very good article by Eamon Donoghue.

The issue I'd have with the current narrative about Keegan and Murphy is the suggestion that Murphy chose to move closer to goal to get away from Keegan, that is not an option a player has.

Keegan was taken off Murphy, just before the switch Murphy cleanly won a ball and popped it over the bar, Horan correctly switched men.

Murphy started well then Keegan had a good run on him, but Murphy adjusted and got the better of him again.

For the penalty they were both on the line as "close to goal" as you can get, for the next score they were out the field, Murphy brushed him aside before scoring, everyone knows that Murphy covers huge ground. If you were attempting to mark him you'd expect him in the square and anywhere in the middle third, that is how he plays, how he always plays.

Keegan is a defender why would he drop off a player that moved from midfield back into Keegans preferred zone and he didn't remain in midfield afterwards either.

I don't think keegans style suits midfield anyway, he'd get blown up or black carded there's too much attention on kickouts. He operates better in the cover of the halfback line.

IMO the job Mayo did on McHugh was excellent, Brennan and McBrearty too, but particularly McHugh who started well, but he was well marshalled. That's not really mentioned in the text linked.

Suggesting something similar happened with Murphy is not accurate imo. If Keegan was keeping him quiet he'd have been left on him if Murphy played in goal.

Keegan might be better off tracking McCarthy in the championship quater than anyone else. Or possibly MDMA if he comes on as a sub

My concern as a Dublin supporter is the Mayo corner backs, I'd be concerned that they might tie up O'Callaghan and Mannion. Funny enough Rock usually does well in these games, he's left out of the "tracking" and gets a bit of space.

AOS, I think he's a better player now, I thought he played very well against Donegal, read the game well held back a bit and got some great interceptions as a result.

Moran is moving well too, himself and COC gell well together.

I remember Johnny Giles talking about how everyone talks about you being old when you are 31, then when you hit about 33 they stop talking about how old you are.

Bunny Colvin

jr86 wrote: »

Stop, some posters on it are as odd as feck. As bunny said, talking in riddles and the likes. How on earth do so many of them congregate on that site? It's like some cult honestly to any outsiders - we're mainly normal in Mayo, don't worry

Haha as you say so many posts along the lines of "we'll win because we want it more". Haha did ya ever hear such rubbish. I'd doubt Dublin are too pushed about the 5 in a row alright!

Maybe some of them are complete wind up merchants laughing at everyone's expense? They have to be...

On the flipside there are some outstanding posters on it, but I'll be focked if I'm going wading through that comments section with its layout!

The brown nosing of Willie Joe is hilarious too. Good on him though, he never acknowledges it and - I'd imagine - probably completely cringes at it himself

Agree with Bunny, he can be precious with the moderation and I lost a bit of respect for him after his stance on newbridge last year and being so petty at people who disagreed with him. And his out of order accusations at Ronan Shanahan in the league.

But fair play to him, must be some nuisance to run and moderate. Respect to him for not packing it in long ago.

I'm convinced the majority of the poster demographic would be in the 50-75 age bracket. There's been day's after a game where I wouldn't have minded having a read to see what the knoweldgable guy's on the site had to say but you as you said, **** trying to find it in that wall of text and riddles.

Fair play to him alright though because it must be some job to moderate. I'd have some respect for him anyway because he's been doing it for year's and was putting in the work long before it was fashionable. But the cult status thing is hilarious. There seems to be people thanking him and agreeing with him on every post - afraid to go against the sermon of the day. It would be like us thanking Seligehgit and boards on every page. Ever play Resident Evil 4? To some people on that site Willie Joe is their Lord Saddler.

irishgeo

I think one change. Mcloughlin in and that's it. The gaa hour podcast has a good anaylsis on the game.

Who is the ref?

padd b1975

irishgeo wrote: »

I think one change. Mcloughlin in and that's it. The gaa hour podcast has a good anaylsis on the game.

Who is the ref?

Connor Lane.

PressRun

Rain is expected to clear before throw in tomorrow but I think a bit blustery? Might be slippery surface and ball and some wayward shooting with the wind carrying the ball. Could be low quality stuff on the day.

padd b1975

PressRun wrote: »

Rain is expected to clear before throw in tomorrow but I think a bit blustery? Might be slippery surface and ball and some wayward shooting with the wind carrying the ball. Could be low quality stuff on the day.

Lots of goal chances!

corny

seligehgit wrote: »

Another very good article by Eamon Donoghue.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-statistics-who-should-patrick-durcan-and-lee-keegan-track-1.3980014?mode=amp

Really? I found it awful simplistic.

Keegan stood beside player X at the throw in. Player X didn't score therefore Keegan is a great man marker. Thats the great analysis we get in the GAA. Why we can't look at actual defensive actions (tackle, turnovers) in a game to judge effectiveness i'll never know. Its like no one actually saw Keegan being beaten to the ball every time last week. I'm sure Murphy missing a couple under no pressure was somehow spun as Keegan impacting the game too. The year he got player of the year for standing beside D Connolly was the same crack. Michael Quinliven taking him to the cleaners didn't actually happen.

Same for Durcan. He spent a huge amount of time nowhere near McHugh yet he too got the plaudits. Mayo as a team stopped McHugh and i'd say the two big bastards in the middle and Colm Boyle had way more to do with McHugh not being in the game than Durcan did.

flasher0030

irishgeo wrote: »

I think one change. Mcloughlin in and that's it. The gaa hour podcast has a good anaylsis on the game.

Who is the ref?

Who would you have picking up Brian Fenton tomorrow so. I know they are all good, but I think curtailing himself and McCaffrey is key. I think James McCarthy is a little overrated. He's very good and obviously needs to be watched, but I don't think he is this game changing super player that he's made out to be. But Fenton and McCarthy are athletes and will run all day.

moghrasa

flasher0030 wrote: »

I think James McCarthy is a little overrated. He's very good and obviously needs to be watched, but I don't think he is this game changing super player that he's made out to be.

I'm glad to see this. In RTE's buildup to the Ulster semi-final between Donegal and Tyrone, Colm O'Rourke said Joe Brolly sounded like "Nigel Farage on drugs" by suggesting that Michael Murphy is one of the most influential players of the last 20 years, and when queried on who was better, O'Rourke said ... James McCarthy.

Now don't get me wrong he's a fine footballer that would probably get on any team, but Jesus Christ there are faaar more significant players in the Dublin team alone than him, let alone the country. Take Fenton or McCaffrey out and they're in a spot of bother. Never got the extent of the hype around McCarthy.

flasher0030

moghrasa wrote: »

I'm glad to see this. In RTE's buildup to the Ulster semi-final between Donegal and Tyrone, Colm O'Rourke said Joe Brolly sounded like "Nigel Farage on drugs" by suggesting that Michael Murphy is one of the most influential players of the last 20 years, and when queried on who was better, O'Rourke said ... James McCarthy.

Now don't get me wrong he's a fine footballer that would probably get on any team, but Jesus Christ there are faaar more significant players in the Dublin team alone than him, let alone the country. Take Fenton or McCaffrey out and they're in a spot of bother. Never got the extent of the hype around McCarthy.

I could be wrong, but I think he goes down in folklore because he caught a ball at the end of one of the Mayo Dublin matches, I think it was the one where the Dublin forwards hauled down the Mayo backs. And he did something else good at the end of the game as well. I can't remember. But then the legend became that James McCarthy dragged Dublin over the line.
I think it was something like that.

seligehgit

corny wrote: »

Really? I found it awful simplistic.

Keegan stood beside player X at the throw in. Player X didn't score therefore Keegan is a great man marker. Thats the great analysis we get in the GAA. Why we can't look at actual defensive actions (tackle, turnovers) in a game to judge effectiveness i'll never know. Its like no one actually saw Keegan being beaten to the ball every time last week. I'm sure Murphy missing a couple under no pressure was somehow spun as Keegan impacting the game too. The year he got player of the year for standing beside D Connolly was the same crack. Michael Quinliven taking him to the cleaners didn't actually happen.

Same for Durcan. He spent a huge amount of time nowhere near McHugh yet he too got the plaudits. Mayo as a team stopped McHugh and i'd say the two big bastards in the middle and Colm Boyle had way more to do with McHugh not being in the game than Durcan did.

Corny I much respect your opinion as I know of old you so rightly study the minutiae of the game greatly whilst not always agreeing with you.

I thought he did a very decent article on our kickouts last week.

Re this article to the winners all the plaudits go and lionising of same.Totally agree with you re Quinlavin.I get the impression you believe there is a certain hype around our Keegan which he ill deserves.The journalist has only so many words per article and as you well know is in the business of trying to hype up contests.That's the context.Some of us are simple creatures and deal in brass tacks.

I have'nt watched the match back as yet but agree Murphy came out on top.He has been nowhere near his best this season.

Re Paddy,it's best said that Ryan McHugh is not expected to largely carry out defensive duties to same degree as less important players.So the two lads were largely left to their own devices and the three points on the scoreboard indicate Paddy came out well on top.TBH as you say it the O Sheas and Boyle and the team as a totality should get the plaudits.

The article is more interesting in terms of the attempt at lateral thinking/thinking outside the box in an attempt to nullify to of the greatest threats Dublin possess because that's going to be necessary if we're going to have a shot at winning this game.Tis like a game of chess.Keegan has played in varied positions which might be considered outside his comfort zone full back against Sean Kavanagh and midfield against Enda Smith.I am hoping Paddy is a good match up for McCaffrey.

Unfortunately I think your team possess too many threats for us to nullify.I think your first 15,McCaffrey,Fenton,O Callaghan and Mannion in particular have greatly improved and Howard has added a new dimension.Too many things at the moment will have to go right for us on the day.Most importantly we will likely need a conversion rate of 60+%.

I can't agree that McCarthy is overrated,he won the 2017 final for Dublin when it was there for the taking at the death.A wonderful footballer.

jr86

seligehgit wrote: »

I can't agree that McCarthy is overrated,he won the 2017 final for Dublin when it was there for the taking at the death.A wonderful footballer.

Outstanding in 2013 too if I remember correctly. Super player alright