flasher0030 wrote: » I think you're definition of a good defender is way too narrow. You're talking about corner back style teak tight on your man, holding onto the shorts, jersey etc. The distinction between defender, midfielder and forwards has become a bit more blurred in the past 15 or so years, with rotation policies happening. You can't just judge a player that named in the backs because he hasn't XX number of dispossessions. for Paddy Durcan last week, he got 2 first half points against Ryan McHugh. Laid down a marker - to put that tiny bit of doubt into McHugh's head before he goes bombing forward. McHugh became disillusioned. Confidence drained. I think he only touched the ball 12 times in the whole game. Same with Keegan. He shadows people around, and looks to make the intelligent attacking run. See what he did to Ciaran Kilkenny couple of years ago. Connolly couple of times. It disrupts their focus on what their own principle role is. Many players get sucked into the game, full swing, hammer and tongs. But a little intelligence can also get you a long way. Keegan has that in a game. Good composure. The incident with the GPS tracker device would have been genius if it had the effect he wanted it i.e. if it caught Dean Rock's eyesight. Who would have the wits to think of that in the last few minutes of a frantic all ireland final.
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corny wrote: » Genuinely flattered. Thanks. I don't mean to downplay Keegan or Durcan (especially not Durcan) as footballers. Both are brilliant competitors and great attackers but I do think Keegan is overrated as a defender. There's an unquestioned group think at play that he is man marker extraordinaire. He's not. I don't see him make the interventions good man markers make. Quite the contrary, i regularly see him beaten when his man has the ball. Doesn't happen to great defenders. Johnny Cooper for example. He has made a career out of beating his man to the ball and being especially difficult to go around. Thats what a man marker does. In a game littered with dispossessions how many were Keegans last week? He still came out with credit in some quarters. He's been anonymous all season if we're honest. Whats the bets he gets an All Star nomination. Reputation counts for a lot in peoples perception in these things and its not just Mayo players that stand out for me. You probably remember my problem with Cian O' Sullivan the master sweeper and his 'unseen' work a few years back. Colm Cavanagh the same. Or Brian Howard who has been walking on water this summer and last. He hasn't established a huge reputation yet though. Last year he was wrongfully overlooked for YFOTY and this year despite being easily Dublins best player to date he's overlooked in the build up to this game and more than likely the end of season awards. The same for Mannion and James McCarthy. They had to forge a reputation before people actually acknowledged what they were doing on the pitch. I'm ranting now but Mannion scored 6 or 7 points from play against Monaghan a few years back. It was a display worthy of reverence. It was ****ing ignored in the media. If Andy Moran or Bernard Brogan did it.... Watch what Keegan does as a defender and don't rely on the fact his man mightn't score. Correlation and causation and all that.
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seligehgit wrote: » Corny I much respect your opinion as I know of old you so rightly study the minutiae of the game greatly whilst not always agreeing with you. I thought he did a very decent article on our kickouts last week. Re this article to the winners all the plaudits go and lionising of same.Totally agree with you re Quinlavin.I get the impression you believe there is a certain hype around our Keegan which he ill deserves.The journalist has only so many words per article and as you well know is in the business of trying to hype up contests.That's the context.Some of us are simple creatures and deal in brass tacks. I have'nt watched the match back as yet but agree Murphy came out on top.He has been nowhere near his best this season. Re Paddy,it's best said that Ryan McHugh is not expected to largely carry out defensive duties to same degree as less important players.So the two lads were largely left to their own devices and the three points on the scoreboard indicate Paddy came out well on top.TBH as you say it the O Sheas and Boyle and the team as a totality should get the plaudits. The article is more interesting in terms of the attempt at lateral thinking/thinking outside the box in an attempt to nullify to of the greatest threats Dublin possess because that's going to be necessary if we're going to have a shot at winning this game.Tis like a game of chess.Keegan has played in varied positions which might be considered outside his comfort zone full back against Sean Kavanagh and midfield against Enda Smith.I am hoping Paddy is a good match up for McCaffrey. Unfortunately I think your team possess too many threats for us to nullify.I think your first 15,McCaffrey,Fenton,O Callaghan and Mannion in particular have greatly improved and Howard has added a new dimension.Too many things at the moment will have to go right for us on the day.Most importantly we will likely need a conversion rate of 60+%. I can't agree that McCarthy is overrated,he won the 2017 final for Dublin when it was there for the taking at the death.A wonderful footballer.
seligehgit wrote: » I can't agree that McCarthy is overrated,he won the 2017 final for Dublin when it was there for the taking at the death.A wonderful footballer.
corny wrote: » Really? I found it awful simplistic. Keegan stood beside player X at the throw in. Player X didn't score therefore Keegan is a great man marker. Thats the great analysis we get in the GAA. Why we can't look at actual defensive actions (tackle, turnovers) in a game to judge effectiveness i'll never know. Its like no one actually saw Keegan being beaten to the ball every time last week. I'm sure Murphy missing a couple under no pressure was somehow spun as Keegan impacting the game too. The year he got player of the year for standing beside D Connolly was the same crack. Michael Quinliven taking him to the cleaners didn't actually happen. Same for Durcan. He spent a huge amount of time nowhere near McHugh yet he too got the plaudits. Mayo as a team stopped McHugh and i'd say the two big bastards in the middle and Colm Boyle had way more to do with McHugh not being in the game than Durcan did.
moghrasa wrote: » I'm glad to see this. In RTE's buildup to the Ulster semi-final between Donegal and Tyrone, Colm O'Rourke said Joe Brolly sounded like "Nigel Farage on drugs" by suggesting that Michael Murphy is one of the most influential players of the last 20 years, and when queried on who was better, O'Rourke said ... James McCarthy. Now don't get me wrong he's a fine footballer that would probably get on any team, but Jesus Christ there are faaar more significant players in the Dublin team alone than him, let alone the country. Take Fenton or McCaffrey out and they're in a spot of bother. Never got the extent of the hype around McCarthy.
flasher0030 wrote: » I think James McCarthy is a little overrated. He's very good and obviously needs to be watched, but I don't think he is this game changing super player that he's made out to be.
irishgeo wrote: » I think one change. Mcloughlin in and that's it. The gaa hour podcast has a good anaylsis on the game. Who is the ref?
seligehgit wrote: » Another very good article by Eamon Donoghue.https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-statistics-who-should-patrick-durcan-and-lee-keegan-track-1.3980014?mode=amp
PressRun wrote: » Rain is expected to clear before throw in tomorrow but I think a bit blustery? Might be slippery surface and ball and some wayward shooting with the wind carrying the ball. Could be low quality stuff on the day.
jr86 wrote: » Stop, some posters on it are as odd as feck. As bunny said, talking in riddles and the likes. How on earth do so many of them congregate on that site? It's like some cult honestly to any outsiders - we're mainly normal in Mayo, don't worry Haha as you say so many posts along the lines of "we'll win because we want it more". Haha did ya ever hear such rubbish. I'd doubt Dublin are too pushed about the 5 in a row alright! Maybe some of them are complete wind up merchants laughing at everyone's expense? They have to be... On the flipside there are some outstanding posters on it, but I'll be focked if I'm going wading through that comments section with its layout! The brown nosing of Willie Joe is hilarious too. Good on him though, he never acknowledges it and - I'd imagine - probably completely cringes at it himself Agree with Bunny, he can be precious with the moderation and I lost a bit of respect for him after his stance on newbridge last year and being so petty at people who disagreed with him. And his out of order accusations at Ronan Shanahan in the league. But fair play to him, must be some nuisance to run and moderate. Respect to him for not packing it in long ago.
seligehgit wrote: Another very good article by Eamon Donoghue.
Coillte_Bhoy wrote: Actually im wondering the same, is it a free for all or do people respect the booked seats? Not too pushed but dont fancy standing for the journey. Anyway looking forward to it, haent been to a match by train for a while either
Martina1991 wrote: » I'm taking the train as well. It's great craic. Everyone is wrecked from a poor nights sleep. The hang sandwiches are packed. There's a gang of young ones skulling cans as soon as they've pulled out of the station. Some people have the tabloids with them, speculating who'll mark who and if this is Andy's last year. The tidal wave of green and red pours onto the Luas stop at Heuston. And we all have about 6 hours to kill before throw in.
