Ditching the make up

Prominent_Dawg

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/aer-lingus-drops-requirement-for-female-cabin-crew-to-wear-makeup-909368.html But they all look so put together and well presented

Ariadne

Sounds good to me, I don't see why it should be a requirement. It should be optional for all professions.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Let the pilots wear t shirts and tracksuit bottoms.

retro:electro

I don’t care either way but their make up was always so heavily applied. It genuinely looked like cement on the skin and to have to be that glam every day at all hours of the morning sounds like a nightmare. Not to mention flying with make up on feels like the grossest thing ever and is the cause of many spots and skin issues.

Dial Hard

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Let the pilots wear t shirts and tracksuit bottoms.

Yes, because that's directly comparable.

jimgoose

It's a bit old-hat and downright sexist, forcing women to wear make-up on the job. Fair play and about time.

orourkeda1977

I'm sure there's no shortage of "facials" when the pilot gets his hands on them.

jam_mac_jam

Amazing it has taken this long. Pathetic rule. Nothing to do with their jobs. They usually look completely overdone anyway.

meeeeh

I find rules around uniforms a bit ridiculous. Those blody heeled shoes are another issue. We are happy with waitresses serving us in runners, yet stewardesess are supposed wipe puke, manhandle drunken passengers and dish out food and drinks in heels. Sometimes during turbulence.

dudara

meeeeh wrote: »

I find rules around uniforms a bit ridiculous. Those blody heeled shoes are another issue. We are happy with waitresses serving us in runners, yet stewardesess are supposed wipe puke, manhandle drunken passengers and dish out food and drinks in heels. Sometimes during turbulence.

They generally switch to flat shoes for in-flight service. Heels are worn at the start and end of flights only.

This is a good move. A heavy layer of slap isn’t required to be smart and presentable for the job. And it’s also a good move on the “mix and match” uniforms. KLM have been doing this for years and their uniforms look great.

jam_mac_jam

meeeeh wrote: »

I find rules around uniforms a bit ridiculous. Those blody heeled shoes are another issue. We are happy with waitresses serving us in runners, yet stewardesess are supposed wipe puke, manhandle drunken passengers and dish out food and drinks in heels. Sometimes during turbulence.

Yes, its completely ridiculous and dangerous to wear heels when they are on their feet for hours. They are professionals and not just dolly birds to bring you drinks.

Big Words

The smell of BO will be overwhelming now. At least their duty free samples were keeping the aroma at bay.

Big Words

dudara wrote: »

They generally switch to flat shoes for in-flight service. Heels are worn at the start and end of flights only.

Knee high boots is what they wear now.

KikiLaRue

Big Words wrote: »

The smell of BO will be overwhelming now. At least their duty free samples were keeping the aroma at bay.

Because women who don't wear makeup don't shower?

Prominent_Dawg

retro:electro wrote: »

I don’t care either way but their make up was always so heavily applied. It genuinely looked like cement on the skin and to have to be that glam every day at all hours of the morning sounds like a nightmare. Not to mention flying with make up on feels like the grossest thing ever and is the cause of many spots and skin issues.

I agree a lot go overboard with it, I've seen this especially on Aer Lingus recently even going to the extreme of fake lashes, long embellished fake nails, layers of tan lines, which I don't think is a good look, but I do like the way emirates use it as part of the uniformed look and are thought how to apply it subtly with a uniformed staple lip

meeeeh

dudara wrote: »

They generally switch to flat shoes for in-flight service. Heels are worn at the start and end of flights only.

Do they? I actually didn't notice that but isn't it a bit ridiculous that you need separate shoes to say hello or good bye?

I wear make up daily, I love heels but not every woman does and more importantly needs to. Why would someone with gorgeous skin and beautiful eyes need to slap on something that has no benefit for their skin.

As a fashion addict I also think many of the uniforms are dated (including men's).

KikiLaRue

meeeeh wrote: »

Why would someone with gorgeous skin and beautiful eyes need to slap on something that has no benefit for their skin.

I have normal skin and normal eyes. Am I cool to go without makeup?

.......

Trolly dolly used to be seen as a sort of prestigious job that only very good looking and well spoken women would be selected for - with the wonderful perk of seeing the world at a time when travel was prohibitively expensive. The clientele on planes were upper class, monied, genteel types that expected a cultured and attractive woman taking care of them on their flights.

But travel is significantly cheaper now and Jonno from the flats is likely to be skulling a flagon on his way to the airport and not capable of appreciating a bit of well groomed posh totty looking after him.

So all the silly sexist rules are no longer appropriate.

Stark

"New policy will take effect from November". Got to love the pace of change at some companies. It's not like it's a complex decision to implement.

meeeeh wrote: »

As a fashion addict I also think many of the uniforms are dated (including men's).

They got Louise Kennedy to redesign the uniform last year https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-crew-to-get-sartorial-upgrade-1.3427409 . Looks quite nice imo though I'm no fashion expert Seems to be taking at least 18 months to actually phase it in though. No idea if they redesigned the men's version.

Your Face

I will always remember where I was when this historic statute was enacted.

Prominent_Dawg

meeeeh wrote: »

Do they? I actually didn't notice that but isn't it a bit ridiculous that you need separate shoes to say hello or good bye?

I wear make up daily, I love heels but not every woman does and more importantly needs to. Why would someone with gorgeous skin and beautiful eyes need to slap on something that has no benefit for their skin.

As a fashion addict I also think many of the uniforms are dated (including men's).

Their in a skirt suit which if you ask me looks much better worn with heels than flats.. love the idea of introducing optional clothing, however not sure it's going to improve the look as their uniform is already horrific

jimgoose

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

Their in a skirt suit which if you ask me looks much better worn with heels than flats...

What we're really talking about here is women's legs. That elegant curve of the calf and delicate ankle, which looks fantastic in the right pair of heels. :cool:

KikiLaRue

jimgoose wrote: »

What we're really talking about here is women's legs. That elegant curve of the calf and delicate ankle, which looks fantastic in the right pair of heels. :cool:

And what's health and safety compared with the possibility of a semi on a morning flight?

meeeeh

jimgoose wrote: »

What we're really talking about here is women's legs. That elegant curve of the calf and delicate ankle, which looks fantastic in the right pair of heels. :cool:

There is a zero chance of Aerlingus or Ryanair stewardess wearing the right pair of heels.

Mrs OBumble

Succubus_ wrote: »

Sounds good to me, I don't see why it should be a requirement. It should be optional for all professions.

Plenty of jobs where its banned, or should be.

Zorya

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

I agree a lot go overboard with it, I've seen this especially on Aer Lingus recently even going to the extreme of fake lashes, long embellished fake nails, layers of tan lines,...

And that's just the guys, right? :pac:

jimgoose

KikiLaRue wrote: »

And what's health and safety compared with the possibility of a semi on a morning flight?

Sorry I opened my mouth, like! I take it heels don't suit you? :pac::pac::pac:

KikiLaRue

jimgoose wrote: »

Sorry I opened my mouth, like! I take it heels don't suit you? :pac::pac::pac:

Yes, that's the only possible reason I could have made that tongue-in-cheek comment.

jimgoose

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Yes, that's the only possible reason I could have made that tongue-in-cheek comment.

I don't care if air stewards wear wellingtons, I was talking about the female leg in general, a member which pleases me a great deal. Live long, and prosper. :cool:

Tacklebox

I remember back in the mid 90's friends of mine started working as cabin crew for the Airline and they were annoyed at the amount of make up they had been made to wear.

Some developed bad skin and there was extremes where they hadn't enough on and had to go back and plaster on more...

The cabin crew career wasn't as glamorous as it looked, thats for sure

Prominent_Dawg

jimgoose wrote: »

What we're really talking about here is women's legs. That elegant curve of the calf and delicate ankle, which looks fantastic in the right pair of heels. :cool:

Speak for yourself.

Pauliedragon

I for one couldn't give a flying f*** what the airline staff wear. Get me on the plane, get me to my destination and I'm happy as a pig in sh**. Let them wear what they want. Do many people really care how they look? I've a lot of respect for their occupation with a lot of the nonsense they put up with.

Prominent_Dawg

Pauliedragon wrote: »

I for one couldn't give a flying f*** what the airline staff wear. Get me on the plane, get me to my destination and I'm happy as a pig in sh**. Let them wear what they want. Do many people really care how they look? I've a lot of respect for their occupation with a lot of the nonsense they put up with.

Call me obnoxious, but I think you have higher expectations of a service if those delivering it are well presented themselves

Pauliedragon

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

Call me obnoxious, but I think you have higher expectations of a service if those delivering it are well presented themselves

I wouldn't call you obnoxious but I've worked in hospitality most of my life and I agree all service staff should be well presented but I know from experience wearing uncomfortable clothes can hinder you. The shoes I had to wear in hotels killed my feet with blisters to the point I was in constant pain. The point I suppose I'm making is if I'm comfortable I'm friendlier more relaxed etc which in turn makes the staff customer relationship better.

jam_mac_jam

You don't need to wear either make up or high heels to be presentable or professional. In some cases the amount of make up can make you look unprofessional. You can be clean and well groomed without high heels and make up.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

One of my former housemates was a Ryanair flight attendant. The amount of rules re: uniform and make up were astounding. A certain tights colour, a certain particular shoe that had quite a high heel and there were rules about make up too. I think they went as far as to specify lipstick colour and the like. She always looked orange heading off to work. Some of her starts were really early. The thought of having to trowel on the make up at 3am - shudder.

Ted Johnson

On any decent airline you should be served by beautiful young women, not hatchet faced old sows.

RacoonQueen

Stark wrote: »

"New policy will take effect from November". Got to love the pace of change at some companies. It's not like it's a complex decision to implement.
They got Louise Kennedy to redesign the uniform last year https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-crew-to-get-sartorial-upgrade-1.3427409 . Looks quite nice imo though I'm no fashion expert Seems to be taking at least 18 months to actually phase it in though. No idea if they redesigned the men's version.

Jayz they'll have to get her to re-design. No trousers there.

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

Call me obnoxious, but I think you have higher expectations of a service if those delivering it are well presented themselves

Can women only be presentable with makeup on?

jam_mac_jam

Ted Johnson wrote: »

On any decent airline you should be served by beautiful young women, not hatchet faced old sows.

As long as they know how to act in an emergency I don't care if they are old or sows. In fact some of the best I have seen are the older ladies on Air France long distance flights who don't take any messing and are exactly whose hands I would rather be in an emergency

Ted Johnson

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

As long as they know how to act in an emergency I don't care if they are old or sows.

They can be beautiful and knowlegable.

Yer Da sells Avon

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

I'm sure there's no shortage of "facials" when the pilot gets his hands on them.

Because he ejaculates his semen all over their faces.

Prominent_Dawg

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Can women only be presentable with makeup on?

I wouldn't call myself presentable without it, but that's just me

jam_mac_jam

Ted Johnson wrote: »

They can be beautiful and knowlegable.

Of course. However their knowledge is more important I would have thought.

Gimme A Pound

Doubt this will cause most to ditch the make-up, just the cement textured levels of it.

Ted Johnson

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Because he ejaculates his semen all over their faces.

Don't be jealous of the girls

RacoonQueen

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

I wouldn't call myself presentable without it, but that's just me

Why wouldn't you? Being presentable is about wearing clean, tidy, work appropriate clothing and having clean, tidy hair. Your facial appearance does not make you 'presentable'.

Prominent_Dawg

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Why wouldn't you? Being presentable is about wearing clean, tidy, work appropriate clothing and having clean, tidy hair. Your facial appearance does not make you 'presentable'.

It's just a normal way of seeing myself, which I'd consider "presentable", I'd feel I look very tired or washed out without it, of course some girls can pull off the al naturale look no problem

KikiLaRue

Ted Johnson wrote: »

On any decent airline you should be served by beautiful young women, not hatchet faced old sows.

In your world, do all women fit into one of those two categories? No in between at all? No beautiful older women, nor "hatched-faced" young ones?

It must be quite nice to live such a simple existence.

Gimme A Pound

I feel the same as Prominent Dawg - and I certainly don't wear much make-up, only a bit of BB cream and clear mascara, but I would look washed out without it because I'm super pale. Especially if I'm tired or it's cold out.

meeeeh

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

It's just a normal way of seeing myself, which I'd consider "presentable", I'd feel I look very tired or washed out without it, of course some girls can pull off the al naturale look no problem

I don't think you need to pull off the natural look, you just need to be comfortable with it. But it's mostly personal thing. I never looked at a woman without make up and thought she is not presentable. However I would look at women and men in creased dirty clothing and think they are not presentable (not including those who do the type of work where you get dirty).

janfebmar

Aer Lingus is nothing like as good as it once was, it has gone downhill a lot.