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    #362
    KWAG2019
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    ET had been ignoring parents' complaints for several years at that point and just referring them back to BOM.
    Once their protests got traction on RTE, papers etc then their attitude changed, funny that.

    No doubt part of it. The key though is as Patron they have the power to stand down a BOM. Patrons may be reluctant to use it; they may hope for local resolution and not want legal clash with BOM or Principal. Only when a process is exhausted and issue persists do they go for nuclear option. Frustrating for parents I know. Never underestimate the horse trading done at senior levels across govt depts. with outside agencies.


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    #363
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,356 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    None of that addresses what I said. Has the Minister for Education ever removed a BOM?
    Parents in Castleknock ET found out the hard way that ET could do nothing when the BOM went off on a religious solo run, either.

    I'd be more worried about the treatment of vulnerable children at Castleknock ET than the ethos of the school.

    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #364
    FunLover18
    Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    https://www.joe.ie/amp/politics/sex-education-ireland-685936?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=onsite_share&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=onsite_share&__twitter_impression=true


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    #365
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    I'd be more worried about the treatment of vulnerable children at Castleknock ET than the ethos of the school.

    What do you mean?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #366
    TheValeyard
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    What do you mean?

    https://extra.ie/2017/04/30/news/real-life/school-disciplined-son-putting-seizure-prone-room-alone/amp


    And


    https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/education/serious-breakdown-in-trust-at-primary-school-37294968.html

    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #367
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Neither of those have anything to do with the ethos of the school, but throwing shade at ET in general appears to be your aim

    There are unsuitable principals in all types of school unfortunately and they have the BOM in their pocket.

    The breakdown of trust between BOM and parents/staff was mentioned already in reports about the Accord incident.

    I've said myself already that ET should have acted much sooner but just referred parents' complaints about the BOM back to the BOM.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #368
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    https://www.joe.ie/amp/politics/sex-education-ireland-685936?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=onsite_share&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=onsite_share&__twitter_impression=true

    Some twisted people out there who really will stop at nothing to try to keep this country in the dark ages.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #369
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,356 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Neither of those have anything to do with the ethos of the school, but throwing shade at ET in general appears to be your aim

    There are unsuitable principals in all types of school unfortunately and they have the BOM in their pocket.

    The breakdown of trust between BOM and parents/staff was mentioned already in reports about the Accord incident.

    I've said myself already that ET should have acted much sooner but just referred parents' complaints about the BOM back to the BOM.

    Yeah I expected this kind of nonsense response. Whatever about ET schools, this particular school, has a lot of improving to do. Not to mention the number of staff suffering burn out. But kids safety should be paramount first, then sort out the ethos and ideology. If you dont have the basics right, the rest will fail.

    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #370
    KWAG2019
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    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Yeah I expected this kind of nonsense response. Whatever about ET schools, this particular school, has a lot of improving to do. Not to mention the number of staff suffering burn out. But kids safety should be paramount first, then sort out the ethos and ideology. If you dont have the basics right, the rest will fail.

    The case you quoted was shocking. It’s unusual that a special needs child would not have specialist support. It sounds like the in school system was overwhelmed. As the report was 2017 I’m assuming, maybe wrongly, that it has been sorted

    The order isn’t actually what you say: if your approach is actually what you say your ethos becomes just safety focussed. That will lead to a defensive, negative and anxious environment. The ethos should inform everything and the management able to balance these needs. Ethos is the most basic building block of organizations: ensuring committed buy in from all is where the work is.


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    #371
    KWAG2019
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Neither of those have anything to do with the ethos of the school, but throwing shade at ET in general appears to be your aim

    There are unsuitable principals in all types of school unfortunately and they have the BOM in their pocket.

    The breakdown of trust between BOM and parents/staff was mentioned already in reports about the Accord incident.

    I've said myself already that ET should have acted much sooner but just referred parents' complaints about the BOM back to the BOM.

    You spotted a big system wide issue: BOMS depend on principals. BOMS are largely voluntary. They may not have the knowledge or expertise to pull the reins hard. If you look elsewhere on Boards you will see condemnation of people who serve on BOM or interview boards being paid travelling and subsistence expenses and a fee for the interview work. Catch 22


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    #372
    Hotblack Desiato
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    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Yeah I expected this kind of nonsense response.

    What, exactly, in my post was incorrect?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #373
    Beechwoodspark
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    We were shown a very serious documentary about stds and particularly AIDS

    Interviews with aids sufferers and their doctors etc.

    I remember it had celebs like Elton John and Mariah Carey at the end telling us to practice safe sex at all times.


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    #374
    mr_fegelien
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭mr_fegelien


    Am I the only one who got barely any sex education in my school at all? I went to primary school in Dundrum and got a few weeks in 6th class. That was 10 years ago. In secondary school, I remember we get just one class in 3rd year in SPHE.

    My parents also never talked to me about sex.


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    #375
    mr_fegelien
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭mr_fegelien


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    We were shown a very serious documentary about stds and particularly AIDS

    Interviews with aids sufferers and their doctors etc.

    I remember it had celebs like Elton John and Mariah Carey at the end telling us to practice safe sex at all times.

    AFAIK, the new trend of chemsex has brought about an increase in HIV. GHB and methamphetamine are extremely potent aphrodisiacs so it makes sense.


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    #376
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,265 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    AFAIK, the new trend of chemsex has brought about an increase in HIV. GHB and methamphetamine are extremely potent aphrodisiacs so it makes sense.

    Let's just have one thread that doesn't wind up talking about drugs, can we? :)

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #377
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    Labour politician Pamela Kearns tonight at a meeting about the RSE
    "Babies masturbate by the way"


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    #378
    Insect Overlord
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    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Labour politician Pamela Kearns tonight at a meeting about the RSE
    "Babies masturbate by the way"

    What's your point? Were you not aware of that before? :confused:


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    #379
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,265 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Labour politician Pamela Kearns tonight at a meeting about the RSE
    "Babies masturbate by the way"

    1 - Link? Context?
    2 - A lot of them do.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #380
    AndrewJRenko
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    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Labour politician Pamela Kearns tonight at a meeting about the RSE
    "Babies masturbate by the way"
    Shining a big light on your own ignorance isn't a great look Harvey


    https://www.todaysparent.com/baby/baby-health/do-babies-masturbate/


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    #381
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Shining a big light on your own ignorance isn't a great look Harvey


    https://www.todaysparent.com/baby/baby-health/do-babies-masturbate/

    Andrew, when you look back over your life, did you ever think you would be on the same side as Paedophiles on certain issues?

    When you're on the same wavelength as Paedos you really really got to ask yourself are you on the right track.


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    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    1 - Link? Context?
    2 - A lot of them do.

    Meeting tonight in Dublin, suffice to say the vast majority there would not be in agreement with you princess.



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    #383
    One eyed Jack
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    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Andrew, when you look back over your life, did you ever think you would be on the same side as Paedophiles on certain issues?

    When you're on the same wavelength as Paedos you really really got to ask yourself are you on the right track.


    Harvey you aren’t doing anyone any favours with that sort of nonsense. You’re undoubtedly on the same side as paedophiles on certain issues too, whether it might be your politics you have in common or an infinite amount of other issues. Frankly in making the point, you’re unlikely to care for anyone’s opinion but your own one way or the other, but I’d be distancing myself too from anyone who would want to promote your sort of attitude when someone doesn’t share your opinions. I share some of your opinions, and that’s an inevitability that we would. It doesn’t mean I share your attitude towards people who disagree with me.

    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Meeting tonight in Dublin, suffice to say the vast majority there would not be in agreement with you princess.


    Understandably when people don’t know any better, they’re unlikely to accept the fact that infant masturbation is a well documented and well researched area, albeit very small part of child development. Now, from what context I understand so far (I’m not watching a two hour video for a snippet of what was said, I was bored five minutes in), it appears as though it was a misguided attempt to try and inform people who didn’t want to hear it.

    Knowledge of infant masturbation is of no use to children, but it is of use to parents who might be worried for their infant when they see their infant masturbate. They’re literally just feeling themselves, and there’s no sexual element to the activity whatsoever. They derive the same sensation from it as picking their noses. Their parents upon witnessing the behaviour will naturally be inclined to associate it with sex, but the reality is it has nothing whatsoever to do with sex, and therefore has absolutely nothing to do with sex education.

    The woman in question made an awful blunder in mentioning it IMO to an audience she had a fair idea wouldn’t be receptive to the idea, and would as you have done above, immediately associate her with paedophiles. Frankly that’s just an ignorant and lazy attempt to insult anyone. It alienates people a hell of a lot faster than a allowing someone the benefit of the doubt that they made a blunder, because your effort to antagonise people is clearly deliberate.


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    #384
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,265 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Meeting tonight in Dublin, suffice to say the vast majority there would not be in agreement with you princess.


    It's two hours. What specific part of it is relevant to the issue of sex education in schools? Or indeed the fact that babies and small children sometimes play with their genitals (a fact that, you being unaware of, is nothing to do with pedophilia)? -

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You have to wonder how long these kind of loonbags spend making videos, if the edited end result is two fcuking hours long.

    They're not busy at work while raising kids, obviously.

    They must think everyone else has endless time on their hands to view them, too.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #386
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    What specific part of it is relevant to the issue of sex education in schools?

    Do you really expect a coherent answer from a poster who, apropos of nothing, compares another poster to a paedophile?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #387
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,860 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Andrew, when you look back over your life, did you ever think you would be on the same side as Paedophiles on certain issues?

    When you're on the same wavelength as Paedos you really really got to ask yourself are you on the right track.

    Ah, the "Jay from Inbetweeners" level response - let's shout paedo and hope no one actually listens to the issues.


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    #388
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,094 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Harvey Weinstein is banned from the forum for 2 weeks. He's banned from this thread permanently.

    Any questions PM me


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    #389
    Midster
    Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭Midster


    I’m not sure an education for kids about sex is even necessary. After all everyone I know learnt more by talking to there own friends and then having sex themselves.
    The education really is only actually needed for what happens before sex, the dos, and don’t s, and how important the word no is.

    And the consequences of not listening to that word.


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    #390
    Greyfox
    Registered Users Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Midster wrote: »
    I’m not sure an education for kids about sex is even necessary. After all everyone I know learnt more by talking to there own friends and then having sex themselves.
    The education really is only actually needed for what happens before sex, the dos, and don’t s, and how important the word no is.

    It's not just necessary its something that's very important. There are loads of teenage boys who think Porn and sex are the same thing and I'd rather they knew the difference. In a ideal world parents would do the job but we know loads of parents either don't bother or are not capable. Also a small minority of men dont understand that too drunk to consent means no and many teenagers think the pull out methood is reliable. We cant rely on friends and the internet as they may be giving teenagers incorrect information.


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    Paul Lee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Paul Lee


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    It's two hours. What specific part of it is relevant to the issue of sex education in schools? Or indeed the fact that babies and small children sometimes play with their genitals (a fact that, you being unaware of, is nothing to do with pedophilia)? -

    Yes, it used to be nothing to do with pedophilia. I "play with myself" every time I take a piss. Am I damaged that no one ever told me how to take a piss? Not really.

    Why is this topic suddenly important? Now if I was a pedophile I could imagine being quite in favour of making it imporant.

    (This message is not for Consuela, just a general message> Quick shout out to all pedophiles. We're watching you.)


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