Missing Icelandic man

JustAThought

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Do we know that the Gardai didn't look at all available footage?

People put a lot of faith in CCTV, and it certainly can be of great use. But it's not as ubiquitous at people think, individual cameras can often be offline, objects can obscure the view and footage can be of very poor quality. So it's not always the perfect, omnipresent observer people suppose it to be.

We know. But some systems are extremely sophisticated and have multiple cameras - and DO record. Like ours.

seamus

JustAThought wrote: »

Are you a gaurd?!???

Jeez, calm down Karen. Save it for Facebook. I forgot some of the details. Nevertheless, if he was going to meet someone at an unknown location, it'd be very hard to track him down. This isn't the UK, we don't have public CCTV everywhere.

Deleted User wrote: »

"murdered by accident" by someone skilled enough to make the body disappear into thin air.

Very strange altogether.

Honestly, the actual murder is the hard part. Lots of people intentionally go into the sea in Dublin and are never found.

If you don't know where someone was last alive, tracking down their body is next to impossible.

johnnyrotten

Witcher wrote: »

Traffic cameras in Dublin are live feed only, they don't record.

Yes they do!

johnnyrotten

Steviewinger wrote: »

Very odd that there is still no news. If it was suicide surely a body would have been found by now

Bodies from suicides can be found many years later. People can find almost inaccessible places to do it.

dobman88

Muahahaha wrote: »

Strange twist in this tale, a prisoner in Iceland is claiming it was all to do with another criminal and the poker game


https://www.herald.ie/news/poker-game-could-unlock-mystery-of-missing-icelander-39587808.html

Hard to know what to make of that, like we know something happened but this latest version now involves a murder by a criminal 'by accident' and him disposing of the body without detection. It sounds far fetched and its coming from someone already locked up but at the same time this lad Jon has vanished into thin air.

That story is almost a month old and the family have posted on the Facebook page that's it's pretty much all made up and they know nothing about it.

Witcher

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Yes they do!

They only record when an incident occurs on the road they cover;

https://www.sdcc.ie/en/services/transport/traffic-management/

As part of the management of the roads network within the administrative area of South Dublin County Council there are CCTV cameras installed on major routes and junction intersections.

Traffic monitoring CCTV cameras provide a Live feed into South Dublin County Council’s Traffic Management Centre.

Recording from these cameras is possible and is in operation only in areas of interest where the Local Authority has received complaints re traffic signal operations or where there have been reported incidents or if an incident is observed on the roads network

Same policy in the north side of the city.

Muahahaha

dobman88 wrote: »

That story is almost a month old and the family have posted on the Facebook page that's it's pretty much all made up and they know nothing about it.

Can you post up what the family said about it? Agree it sounds strange and you'd definitely be sceptical taking the word of someone in prison who has time on their hands and might just want some attention.

Otherwise on the CCTV my understanding is that the Gardai tracked him to somewhere around Whitehall cross and after that no CCTV was covering him. Gardai put out a huge appeal to taxi drivers to see if anyone had picked him up but got no concrete response. They checked CCTV on board Dublin buses too and no joy. There was a theory that he could have been picked up by an illegal taxi and hence the driver wont come forward, thats not such an impossible scenario and all things have to be considered given that Jon just vanished into thin air.

dobman88

Muahahaha wrote: »

Can you post up what the family said about it? Agree it sounds strange and you'd definitely be sceptical taking the word of someone in prison who has time on their hands and might just want some attention.

Otherwise on the CCTV my understanding is that the Gardai tracked him to somewhere around Whitehall cross and after that no CCTV was covering him. Gardai put out a huge appeal to taxi drivers to see if anyone had picked him up but got no concrete response. They checked CCTV on board Dublin buses too and no joy. There was a theory that he could have been picked up by an illegal taxi and hence the driver wont come forward, thats not such an impossible scenario and all things have to be considered given that Jon just vanished into thin air.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=713680049230184&id=355460158385510&anchor_composer=false

That's the post. The family call it a disturbing article that they know nothing about and they'll be making a complaint about it.

The rest of the events you describe seem accurate from what we know. But I know the family follow this thread and spreading of false information isnt ideal. That's not a dig at you btw, just better to keep things to what we know and things that could help.

Muahahaha

dobman88 wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=713680049230184&id=355460158385510&anchor_composer=false

That's the post. The family call it a disturbing article that they know nothing about and they'll be making a complaint about it.

The rest of the events you describe seem accurate from what we know. But I know the family follow this thread and spreading of false information isnt ideal. That's not a dig at you btw, just better to keep things to what we know and things that could help.

Thats a pretty strong refutation by the family. In the article the journalist claims Icelandic police are investigating the claims by this prisoner but the family say the police have not received any such information and nor are they investigating it. Seems the journalist didn't verify their sources whatsoever.

JustAThought

Muahahaha wrote: »

Thats a pretty strong refutation by the family. In the article the journalist claims Icelandic police are investigating the claims by this prisoner but the family say the police have not received any such information and nor are they investigating it. Seems the journalist didn't verify their sources whatsoever.

Might be worth their case taking a defamation case against the Indo and Herald in that case - its what they write on their fB page is true then they shouod have a string case. Herald/Indon has has deep pockets. It would further fund their legal hunt if nothing else.

Find it hard to believe the Indo/Herald would print such untruths without any kind of verification or effort made. Hugely risky for them financially.

Muahahaha

Legally under Irish laws its the injured person who needs to sue for defamation but obviously he is missing so that cant happen. Theres no defamation in the article of the family themselves, only defamation of Jon by suggesting that he is connected to criminals.

It appears to be very shoddy reporting that wasnt verified with more than one source to check its accuracy. Its a bad state of affairs by the Indo/Herald publishing that without properly checking with the Icelandic police that it is actually true. Because now other Icelandic media has published the same thing and they've gone and associated Jon with criminality in his home country. It is a hard enough time for the family without this on top of everything.

Strazdas

JustAThought wrote: »

Might be worth their case taking a defamation case against the Indo and Herald in that case - its what they write on their fB page is true then they shouod have a string case. Herald/Indon has has deep pockets. It would further fund their legal hunt if nothing else.

Find it hard to believe the Indo/Herald would print such untruths without any kind of verification or effort made. Hugely risky for them financially.

Can you libel a missing person though? It seems somewhat unlikely....you have to have an actual person still around in order to harm their reputation.

Bigmac1euro

No updates for a long time now. Sad.

Faith+1

It really is a strange case. Hope his family get some closure on this.