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Say something nice about AGS

  • 21-02-2019 9:18pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭


    They are the first line of defense from chaos

    They are the only dependable people you will ring when you are in trouble


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    They all have lovely bottoms.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They are the first line of defense from chaos

    They are the only dependable people you will ring when you are in trouble

    Who?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    Better than many other police forces, and going in the right direction under new management.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    The time they surprised those armed robbers in a post office.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Better than many other police forces,

    Enlighten me?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,413 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    They are mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons and daughters of people just like us. They do a job to put food on their family table just like us.
    Of course there are rotten eggs there and there always will be. But at the end of the day. They are still human.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    They're human beings going out to do a job most of us wouldn't even dream of doing. They don't get anywhere near enough respect for what they do and most of the people giving out about them are scum anyway.

    If you don't do anything illegal, you wont have any problems with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭omerin


    They're not the RUC


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 81 ✭✭PingTing comes for Fire


    If you don't do anything illegal, you wont have any problems with them.

    Except McBrearty


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    They are the reason our prisons and courthouses are completely jam packed every day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Enlighten me?
    It might be good if Irish people lived in the third world for a few years.

    I spent two years in Africa many years ago.
    Poached meat and other poached items were brought to the main police station in the capital.
    It would be evidence to support charges against high ranking people, I assume politicians.
    On the Monday no evidence remained in the police station. Case dismissed.

    If you were stopped at a checkpoint you would get through a lot quicker if you had a few packets of cigarettes or bottles of beer that you no longer needed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Some of them are genuinely heroic like this poor lad who died in the October 2011 flooding whilst helping motorists:

    https://www.garda.ie/en/About-Us/Our-History/Roll-of-Honour/Roll-of-Honour-description/Jones-Ciaran.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    They do seem to solve murders (when they have a body) quite well.

    Cannot comment on local policing. Guessing it is not great.

    There seems to be a bit of momentum re the Traveller Gangs around the country along with the CAB.

    Gangland is another story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    If you don't do anything illegal, you wont have any problems with them.

    So law abiding citizens shouldn't have any problems with corruption or Garda malpractice or the way they treated Maurice McCabe. Also people who were victims of crime who were let down by them for their delayed response or the failure of them to pursue justice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭jhenno78


    I like that if I'm in some kind of mis-understanding or fu¢k up in some way, I'll never have to worry about getting shot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    They're human beings going out to do a job most of us wouldn't even dream of doing. They don't get anywhere near enough respect for what they do and most of the people giving out about them are scum anyway.

    If you don't do anything illegal, you wont have any problems with them.

    Problem is that the victims are those who actually suffer, even though they have done nothing wrong. Gardai need to look after these people also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    The vast majority are good honourable people doing the job for the right reasons.

    I view Policing as a vocation like nursing . You have to be 100 per cent committed to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭manonboard


    They help alot of people. Everyday.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Frontline AGS do a dangerous job often in very difficult circumstances with resources stretched to the limit and receive very little thanks for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Some of them are rides in their uniforms

    Having worked with them I appreciate all that the do for little reward. Some slimy lawyer getting his little scrote off on a technicality


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    They're a pretty good police force and the fact that they do the vast majority of their policing totally unarmed is something to be proud of when you compare it to the rise of ever more trigger happy, authoritarian policing in places like the US.

    I generally fine the Gardai approachable, friendly and reasonable to deal with.

    They have their problems as an organisation, but I think things are finally moving in a better direction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,219 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I've had very little dealing with them apart from running into them the odd time. They are easily avoided if you behave yourself. They've to put up with a lot of crap and abuse especially with people trying to get there sixty seconds of fame online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    They're human beings going out to do a job most of us wouldn't even dream of doing. They don't get anywhere near enough respect for what they do and most of the people giving out about them are scum anyway.

    If you don't do anything illegal, you wont have any problems with them.

    Good man, your the kind they love , easily pleased and no matter how much scandal is revealed, you cling to the smug notion that only ner do wells have anything to fear


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Good man, your the kind they love , easily pleased and no matter how much scandal is revealed, you cling to the smug notion that only ner do wells have anything to fear

    No, dya know what I absolutely hate? People giving out about guards not doing their jobs because they set up checkpoints on the roads, how dare they try to catch people driving illegally? Go and catch all the murderers and "proper" criminals instead is the usual line that gets spouted and its really pisses me off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    The vast majority are good honourable people doing the job for the right reasons.

    I view Policing as a vocation like nursing . You have to be 100 per cent committed to it.

    The vast majority are clock punchers, in it for a solid wage and great early pension, a minority are vocational in their desire to serve and a minority are out and out scumbags, most will do you no harm but have little interest in inconveniencing themselves in anyway

    I had two uncles in the guards and one grandfather, I've no time for the org as its riddled with corruption, how willing they are to help depends on who is doing the complaining and who is being complained about, find yourself in dispute with someone who has friends high up in AGS and your life gets made very uncomfortable and your eyes are opened to the level of politics which riddles the force


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    No, dya know what I absolutely hate? People giving out about guards not doing their jobs because they set up checkpoints on the roads, how dare they try to catch people driving illegally? Go and catch all the murderers and "proper" criminals instead is the usual line that gets spouted and its really pisses me off.

    People bitch about lots of things, gormless people smugly assume that if someone has a negative view of the guards, they lack respectability, to like the guards is ergo to be respectable

    Simplistic people


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Enlighten me?
    Oh you know, police forces throughout Latin America, Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe.
    Stephen15 wrote: »
    So law abiding citizens shouldn't have any problems with corruption or Garda malpractice or the way they treated Maurice McCabe. Also people who were victims of crime who were let down by them for their delayed response or the failure of them to pursue justice.
    What people are able to do though is distinguish the non crooked ones (the vast majority) from the crooked minority. I know there shouldn't be any crooked minority at all, of course, but I think it's grossly unfair the way people happily smear the whole lot of them.

    They are one of the emergency services and they have to deal with terrible things that thankfully the rest of us don't, because of them. Their behind-the-scenes work is not known about, only the stuff that makes it into the news. And they have limited resources, compounded by the frustration of a joke of a crazily lenient criminal justice system.

    Yes I know they know that when they enter the force, but somebody has to, and I'm glad it's someone else instead of me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    I'm sure most are grand but I've met one or two that make me trust the whole organisation less.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭youcantakethat


    Same as in all English speaking countries, most are sound enough and if you behave within the law and do not give cheek they are fine. I have been to a few African and Asian countries though where I would not have full confidence in their forces.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Oh you know, police forces throughout Latin America, Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe.

    What people are able to do though is distinguish the non crooked ones (the vast majority) from the crooked minority. I know there shouldn't be any crooked minority at all, of course, but I think it's grossly unfair the way people happily smear the whole lot of them.

    They are one of the emergency services and they have to deal with terrible things that thankfully the rest of us don't, because of them. Their behind-the-scenes work is not known about, only the stuff that makes it into the news. And they have limited resources, compounded by the frustration of a joke of a crazily lenient criminal justice system.

    Yes I know they know that when they enter the force, but somebody has to, and I'm glad it's someone else instead of me.

    If the vast majority were not crooked, Maurice mccabe would not have had to plough a lonely furrow for years, the vast majority get in line and support the culture of the force


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Same as in all English speaking countries, most are sound enough and if you behave within the law and do not give cheek they are fine. I have been to a few African and Asian countries though where I would not have full confidence in their forces.

    It's not a good idea to benchmark police or tap water to the developing world

    Then again we have always held our police force to a remarkably low standard of ethics


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Oh you know, police forces throughout Latin America, Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe.

    But those are countries which are widely regarded by most as being poorer and with more corruption than our own. We should expect a police force that's on a par with other Western European countries. I fail to see how the Gardai are a better police force than police forces in other developed nations.

    We should be looking the countries with the lowest crime rates and seeing how their police force operates.
    What people are able to do though is distinguish the non crooked ones (the vast majority) from the crooked minority. I know there shouldn't be any crooked minority at all, of course, but I think it's grossly unfair the way people happily smear the whole lot of them.

    And the title of the thread is "say something nice about AGS" not "say something nice about members of AGS" it's the same difference between "say something nice about the HSE" and "say something nice about Nurses/Doctors". Yes there may be good Gardai out there that may do a good job but the thread title infers that we're talking about AGS as a whole rather than members of AGS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    And the title of the thread is "say something nice about AGS" not "say something nice about members of AGS" it's the same difference between "say something nice about the HSE" and "say something nice about Nurses/Doctors". Yes there may be good Gardai out there that may do a good job but the thread title infers that we're talking about AGS as a whole rather than members of AGS.
    But exactly - the whole are not corrupt and abusive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭Heckler


    Deal with the Guards every so often at the station just to renew firearms licences. Always found them them professional and courteous. Don't like my current station where its like a doctors waiting room. In front of me is some fella signing on re parole and its obvious the guy behind me is doing the same. With this guy right behind me the guard is reciting my name, address and what firearms I have as he fills out forms.

    And if you're about to ask how its obvious just stop.

    Stopped at a few checkpoints and breathalysed. Found them very friendly.

    My interactions were all with younger (25yrs-40yrs) Guards. The one bad experience was with an older guy but I guess I'll keep that for the bad experience of AGS thread !

    So mostly positive !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Rosie Rant


    In my experience, they deal with extremely tragic and difficult circumstances with amazing sensitivity, respect and kindness. I am grateful for the work that they do. It can't be an easy job.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,663 ✭✭✭pah


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    The vast majority are clock punchers, in it for a solid wage and great early pension, a minority are vocational in their desire to serve and a minority are out and out scumbags, most will do you no harm but have little interest in inconveniencing themselves in anyway

    I had two uncles in the guards and one grandfather, I've no time for the org as its riddled with corruption, how willing they are to help depends on who is doing the complaining and who is being complained about, find yourself in dispute with someone who has friends high up in AGS and your life gets made very uncomfortable and your eyes are opened to the level of politics which riddles the force

    Would you like some sort of dip to go with that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Heckler wrote: »
    Deal with the Guards every so often at the station just to renew firearms licences. Always found them them professional and courteous. Don't like my current station where its like a doctors waiting room. In front of me is some fella signing on re parole and its obvious the guy behind me is doing the same. With this guy right behind me the guard is reciting my name, address and what firearms I have as he fills out forms.

    And if you're about to ask how its obvious just stop.

    Stopped at a few checkpoints and breathalysed. Found them very friendly.

    My interactions were all with younger (25yrs-40yrs) Guards. The one bad experience was with an older guy but I guess I'll keep that for the bad experience of AGS thread !

    So mostly positive !

    Those are mostly vanilla administration duties

    I've had no bother with guards at checkpoints either, tells us nothing as those are nothing experiences


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    pah wrote: »
    Would you like some sort of dip to go with that?

    No idea what you're on about


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    But exactly - the whole are not corrupt and abusive.

    I know that and I never said they were. The problem is with senior and middle management not ordinary Gardai but the thread is about AGS as an organisation. It's like saying we have a good health service because the nurses are good at their jobs while ignoring the fact of how badly managed and organised the HSE is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    If the vast majority were not crooked, Maurice mccabe would not have had to plough a lonely furrow for years, the vast majority get in line and support the culture of the force

    Exactly, what they done to Maurice McCabe was beyond scummy...I can't imagine another Police force anywhere in the world who would sink that low.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭Heckler


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Those are mostly vanilla administration duties

    I've had no bother with guards at checkpoints either, tells us nothing as those are nothing experiences

    Ok. Thread title is "Say something nice about the AGS"

    The Guards are great.

    Happy now ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    archer22 wrote: »
    Exactly, what they done to Maurice McCabe was beyond scummy...I can't imagine another Police force anywhere in the world who would sink that low.

    Many of mccabes colleagues kicked him on the ground, bar Wilson, who went against the mob boss?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭Heckler


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Many of mccabes colleagues kicked him on the ground, bar Wilson, who went against the mob boss?

    How is anyone expected to form a personal opinion about the Guards other than their personal experiences with them ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭PeteEd


    omerin wrote: »
    They're not the RUC

    I see your RUC

    And raise you Black n Tans


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    They haven't done me yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    archer22 wrote: »
    Exactly, what they done to Maurice McCabe was beyond scummy...I can't imagine another Police force anywhere in the world who would sink that low.
    Ah here - horrifically scummy as it was, of course there are other police forces in the world that would sink that low.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    But those are countries which are widely regarded by most as being poorer and with more corruption than our own.
    I know, but you asked for elaboration when someone said they are better than other police forces. That's what they meant. While of course the wrongdoings here were appalling and deserve all the condemnation they get, and more, overall there are still far worse police forces. It doesn't make the wrongdoings here ok of course, but it's true. It doesn't mean that there shouldn't be hard work to make improvements here of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Heckler wrote: »
    How is anyone expected to form a personal opinion about the Guards other than their personal experiences with them ?

    Your interactions were akin to dealing with the local authority for administrative issues, not real enforcement hard stuff

    Pure vanilla


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    The local Gardaí out my direction (Dun Laoghaire) are unbelievably sound, good at their jobs, very quick to respond to calls and very relaxed about giving people a bit of leeway in terms of public order, crowds gathering to have cans in the sun etc, before intervening only if a situation gets out of hand. They keep a regular presence down at Sandycove beach on sunny days with a few vans parked around the place, but I've only ever seen them break up an outdoor sesh or rave if people start fighting. Most of the time they just chill and keep a very visible eye.

    Lived here since the mid-90s and can't think of a single instance of publicised heavy handedness or failure to respond to a call - and things tend to go around in this town so I imagine if these things happened, we'd be hearing about them.

    The night of the Blood Moon a few weeks ago, I woke up late for it and raced out of the gaff without bothering to put on my shoes to make sure I didn't miss it (just as well, as I got a clear view of it but would have seen nothing but cloud cover if I'd arrived ten minutes later) - a squad car drove past and they stopped to make sure I was ok considering how odd it is for a lad to be wandering the streets in his dressing down and barefoot :D:D:D They weren't unpleasant about it at all, seemed genuinely concerned that I might be disoriented or off my head on something. Had a good laugh at my explanation of my predicament and drove on.

    In all the time I've lived here I've never heard a word against our local lads, which seems to be somewhat unusual in the Dublin area generally so that's pretty cool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    One of them was very nice to my Ma and called her up to check on her/offer support years ago when she was having bother with a fella harassing her.

    Another one was really sound to me as a teen after I got into trouble with a local scumbag who was threatening to stab me after I'd bet him up one night.

    I'm not a great fan of the institution itself but never been in any doubt that some guards are grand people who genuinely want to help their communities. AACABBNAOT.


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