Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

thomond2006 · 07-06-2020 3:27pm

realhorrorshow wrote: »

Aside from a bit of a logjam in the back 3, good to see Munster carrying a leaner squad absolutely packed with talent.

The Wootton to Connacht talk seems to have come to nothing. Munster have published a lot of videos and articles which appear to put a full stop on the comings and goings.

Caranica · 07-06-2020 3:43pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Wootton to Connacht talk seems to have come to nothing. Munster have published a lot of videos and articles which appear to put a full stop on the comings and goings.

I reckon they confused him and Arnold.

thomond2006 · 08-06-2020 9:48am

Caranica wrote: »

I reckon they confused him and Arnold.

I think it was only the LL that reported it and the article is now behind a paywall.
There's going to be quite a competition amongst the back three to get extensions. Including Jonathan Wren from the academy you have eight players vying for contracts. Earls is probably out of the running for a central contract based on his Six Nations appearances, that may play into who can stay at Munster.

thomond2006 · 08-06-2020 9:54am

I count 29 out of the 44 senior players as Munster (academy) produced. Kevin O'Byrne got a training contract initially out of the AIL.

BloodyBill · 09-06-2020 8:51am

thomond2006 wrote: »

I think it was only the LL that reported it and the article is now behind a paywall.
There's going to be quite a competition amongst the back three to get extensions. Including Jonathan Wren from the academy you have eight players vying for contracts. Earls is probably out of the running for a central contract based on his Six Nations appearances, that may play into who can stay at Munster.

Earlsy will still get the central contract. Because hes from a working class background hes a abit of a special case. The IRFU use him to promote involvement from deprived areas.

Buer · 09-06-2020 8:56am

Earls' contract has another year left to run at which point there's not a hope of him getting another central contract regardless of any made up reason. He'll be almost 34 and plays in a non-specialised position where he has already fallen out of the starting team.

thomond2006 · 09-06-2020 9:09am

If Earls wants another year I think Munster will oblige. He and Murray are the only players over 30 in the backs.

lawrencesummers · 09-06-2020 11:05am

Earls is one of those players involved with Ireland who won’t see The next World Cup, And there is a decent argument for players in that category to be left off in favour of younger players, my thinking is that once Lowe is available then Earls will be surplus to requirements, but he will still have plenty to off Munster if available full time.

I wonder would the possibility of a season or two in France appeal?

thomond2006 · 09-06-2020 11:39am

22 senior players (exactly half the senior squad) and 8 academy players are in contract years. Next season assuming it can go ahead as normal is a big one for JvG and there's scope for huge change for 2021/22. He's under contract for two more seasons but this squad looks the strongest for years, particularly with some of the young players looking to break into the 23.

TH is probably the main concern with the two incumbents in their 30s and Knox/Salanoa probably a good number of starts away from being options.

Buer · 09-06-2020 12:02pm

I think this is Munster's best chance at silverware for several years. They even have a decent chance at winning the Pro14 when this season is completed. The reset button has been hit, momentum/form has been wiped and Munster are the one team that are undoubtedly going into August with a significantly improved team.

DdA was not a necessary signing but it's hard to turn down someone of that quality if available. He's a game changer and will make a significant impact. Teams will have to actively formulate a game plan to limit his impact which is going to create gaps and opportunities for Farrell and Carbery either side of him.

The biggest concern will be depth at halfback. Carbery is injury prone and Bleyendaal is gone. Will JJH be able to run the show consistently? There's also a huge drop off after Conor Murray until we see if Casey can make the step up. At 31, Murray isn't getting younger either. The second row and back row in in good shape; I assume Beirne will play blindside but there's a temptation to use him as a major impact sub and give JOD a continued run. Kleyn and RGS are doing to be very hard to beat in the second row; not many more powerful partnerships in test rugby let alone at club level.

Front row is solid but nothing more, really. That's somewhere that has to be addressed this season. Loughman has been a great signing in the end but I'm not sure he's going to ever be top level. Knox really needs to be looked more this season to fast track him, if he's up to it.

The other area I'd be concerned about is off the field. I remain unconvinced by JVG. I don't think he has managed to get the best out of his resources thus far. With the signings both on and off the field over the past 12 months, I don't think he will be running out of time. If there isn't a jump in results in the next 12 months, his position is going to come under pressure.

The Lost Sheep · 09-06-2020 12:11pm

BloodyBill wrote: »

Earlsy will still get the central contract. Because hes from a working class background hes a abit of a special case. The IRFU use him to promote involvement from deprived areas.

hes not a special case because of his background and the irfu dont use him like that

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Earls is one of those players involved with Ireland who won’t see The next World Cup, And there is a decent argument for players in that category to be left off in favour of younger players, my thinking is that once Lowe is available then Earls will be surplus to requirements, but he will still have plenty to off Munster if available full time.

I wonder would the possibility of a season or two in France appeal?

cant see him going to France to play or anywhere else. Too rooted to home, limerick to go anywhere else

Cookiemunster · 09-06-2020 4:10pm

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1270372206070190081

Clegg · 09-06-2020 4:42pm

Bit of a step down for Flannery I would have thought. Glad he's found a new role however.

lawrencesummers · 09-06-2020 5:52pm

Clegg wrote: »

Bit of a step down for Flannery I would have thought. Glad he's found a new role however.

He started in Munster as Scrum coach, this sounds like it could be a starting point to greater responsibility down the road.

Good to see him back in coaching, has plenty to offer.

thomond2006 · 09-06-2020 6:01pm

He mentioned his partner is from the area so there's a family reason too. Good luck to him, hopefully he'll be back in Irish rugby at some stage.

Carioco · 09-06-2020 6:19pm

The steroid used by Cronin was prednisolone

Literally the most abused performance enhancing steroid in sports. It was widely used in Baseball

Apparently it was for another James Cronin.

So basically two James Cronin's go to the same pharmacy, were both getting medication at the same time and the misdispensed medicine happened to be a performance enhancing steroid used widely and that happened to be giving to a professional rugby player.

Absolutely hilarious stuff. If you believe that !
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/munster-chief-says-no-significant-fault-or-blame-attached-to-james-cronin-1.4274880

bennyl10 · 09-06-2020 6:38pm

Carioco wrote: »

The steroid used by Cronin was prednisolone

Literally the most abused performance enhancing steroid in sports. It was widely used in Baseball

Apparently it was for another James Cronin.

So basically two James Cronin's go to the same pharmacy, were both getting medication at the same time and the misdispensed medicine happened to be a performance enhancing steroid used widely and that happened to be giving to a professional rugby player.

Absolutely hilarious stuff. If you believe that !
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/munster-chief-says-no-significant-fault-or-blame-attached-to-james-cronin-1.4274880

Strange how will all the information, including testimony’s, the EPCR, IrFu and sport Ireland all fully accepted that chain of events

The pharmacy also admitted it.

Who do you not believe in all of that?

Eod100 · 09-06-2020 7:04pm

Carioco wrote: »

The steroid used by Cronin was prednisolone

Literally the most abused performance enhancing steroid in sports. It was widely used in Baseball

Apparently it was for another James Cronin.

So basically two James Cronin's go to the same pharmacy, were both getting medication at the same time and the misdispensed medicine happened to be a performance enhancing steroid used widely and that happened to be giving to a professional rugby player.

Absolutely hilarious stuff. If you believe that !
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/munster-chief-says-no-significant-fault-or-blame-attached-to-james-cronin-1.4274880

Wouldn't the other James Cronin have to have a prescription so presumably exists? If not would think it would be fairly easily to disprove if they investigated

Kirk Van Houten · 09-06-2020 7:14pm

Carioco wrote: »

The steroid used by Cronin was prednisolone

Literally the most abused performance enhancing steroid in sports. It was widely used in Baseball

Apparently it was for another James Cronin.

So basically two James Cronin's go to the same pharmacy, were both getting medication at the same time and the misdispensed medicine happened to be a performance enhancing steroid used widely and that happened to be giving to a professional rugby player.

Absolutely hilarious stuff. If you believe that !
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/munster-chief-says-no-significant-fault-or-blame-attached-to-james-cronin-1.4274880

Can a mod move this to the conspiracy theory forum. Thanks.

salmocab · 09-06-2020 7:16pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Wouldn't the other James Cronin have to have a prescription so presumably exists? If not would think it would be fairly easily to disprove if they investigated

As much as I don’t have any real interest in this story would the other James Cronin not have privacy issues if the pharmacy showed his details to some sporting and doping bodies That he’s not linked to?

sydthebeat · 09-06-2020 7:55pm

salmocab wrote: »

As much as I don’t have any real interest in this story would the other James Cronin not have privacy issues if the pharmacy showed his details to some sporting and doping bodies That he’s not linked to?

Who's to say he wasn't contacted and agreed without issue?

Eod100 · 09-06-2020 8:08pm

salmocab wrote: »

As much as I don’t have any real interest in this story would the other James Cronin not have privacy issues if the pharmacy showed his details to some sporting and doping bodies That he’s not linked to?

Honestly, I have no idea. Was more about pharmacy having record of his prescription. If that information was already known would just be for verification.

salmocab · 09-06-2020 8:09pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Who's to say he wasn't contacted and agreed without issue?

Maybe he did, I haven’t followed this story as I’m not particularly interested in it, I was just making a suggestion about the story. An investigation can only look into what it has access to and it may not have access to this particular information.