Contactless card machines introduced at churches decline in cash donations

centralchill

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/contactless-card-machines-introduced-at-churches-to-counteract-decline-in-cash-donations-37819821.html

Came across this online today? Do people agree with this?

I can't say I do, Isn't the Catholic church rich as ****?

is_that_so

That's clever. Aren't a lot of dioceses quite strapped anyway?

2Mad2BeMad

centralchill wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/contactless-card-machines-introduced-at-churches-to-counteract-decline-in-cash-donations-37819821.html

Came across this online today? Do people agree with this?

I can't say I do, Isn't the Catholic church rich as ****?

Maybe in Rome it is.
But here it's definitely not.

Deebles McBeebles

Rome should probably share out its wealth, like good Catholics.

centralchill

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Maybe in Rome it is.
But here it's definitely not.

I find that hard to believe, I don't know why but I can't really see any particular parish having to struggle, they'd be looked after


They might struggle for priests, but cash I don't think so, I could be wrong though.

Alrigghtythen

If you don't want to donate, don't
If you do, do
Trying to micromanage other people must be exhausting

Deebles McBeebles

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

If you don't want to donate, don't
If you do, do
Trying to micromanage other people must be exhausting

Pot kettle black.

Alrigghtythen

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Pot kettle black.

I don't think you quite grasp what that expression means

What are beggers going to do when coins are phased out, that's what I want to know.

blade1

Heard someone on the radio earlier refer to it as PrayPal :pac:

centralchill

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

If you don't want to donate, don't
If you do, do
Trying to micromanage other people must be exhausting

The good old days of passing around the basket in full view of the community, all eyes on you to see if your donating or not, I don't think many people felt like they had a choice ha

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

centralchill wrote: »

I find that hard to believe, I don't know why but I can't really see any particular parish having to struggle or starve etc, they'd be looked after im sure of that.


They might struggle for priests, but cash I don't think so, I could be wrong though.

Many parishes are, in deed, struggling to fund themselves and cover debts. Decreased attendance has certainly reduced income but many fixed costs remain.

That said, contactless payments and such won't increase collections if people aren't attending anyway.

Deebles McBeebles

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

I don't think you quite grasp what that expression means

Ditto with yourself and micromanagement.

Imagine, people giving their opinions on boards. Mad.

sk8board

I think its a good idea - definitely progressive anyway.

I try to live as much in a cashless world as I can (yes I actively avoid places without card machines).

anyway, last sunday I happened to be at an anniversary mass in Kilkenny for a relative and realised I hadn't a cent for the (now 2) collections - and I wondered to my GF afterwards wouldn't it be handy if there was a machine pre-loaded with €2 or whatever at the door to tap on the way in

I mentioned it to someone I know in the fund-raising arm of a very well known charity, in reference to street collections and they are looking at it too. Tap as you pass. I imagine there's regulatory and trust issues to overcome first.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Most if not all religions are funded by their followers. At least with the RCC tithes are voluntary.

Catholic Church is global with over 1 billion members, they've churches in nearly every corner of the planet.

The Vatican could't fund that indefinitely. The need Parishes to be self sufficient for the most part.

rgodard80a

centralchill wrote: »

I can't say I do, Isn't the Catholic church rich as ****?

It's a pyramid scheme, so only rich at the top.

And a declining business model means they may end up moving to a subscription model at some point in time, like other cults who want a percentage of your income. Wouldn't be surprised if they try tapping the elderly for a percentage of their wills/estate.

is_that_so

According to this article most do not publish their finances

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/two-thirds-of-catholic-dioceses-do-not-publish-accounts-online-1.3354931

You can get details on the charity regulator website link by searching for "diocese"


https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/en/information-for-the-public/search-the-charities-register

marklazarcovic

Do people think that the church hasn't garnered significant business interests over the centuries.

Always with the hand out,even when the pope comes over.. "giz a few quid towards expenses please" ..
Despite it costing all taxpayers something.

klaaaz

Catholics should be taxed in order to fund their religion just like there is a religious tax in Germany. Then we'll see who are the genuine believers.

ted1

rgodard80a wrote: »

It's a pyramid scheme, so only rich at the top.

And a declining business model means they may end up moving to a subscription model at some point in time, like other cults who want a percentage of your income. Wouldn't be surprised if they try tapping the elderly for a percentage of their wills/estate.

Do your totally ignorant yo all the charity work the church does ?

centralchill

ted1 wrote: »

Do your totally ignorant yo all the charity work the church does ?

The catholic church helps many through charity, through the hope of heaven etc and there are definitely good honest people in the priesthood etc, but that is usually overshadowed by its many flaws, and it's greed for power and control, and history of selfish self preserving deceit.
This dark cloud tips the scales to the negative,and the message is lost because of the messenger.

lbc2019

Is their not a Christianity forum for this mumbo jumbo? Nothing to do with me!

centralchill

lbc2019 wrote: »

Is their not a Christianity forum for this mumbo jumbo? Nothing to do with me!

Are you ok? It's Friday pal cheer up. Maybe you need to go to mass and say some prayers?

I'll light a candle for you I swear

mikemac2

centralchill wrote: »

I can't say I do, Isn't the Catholic church rich as ****?

Every diocese is expected to be self sufficient

They don’t get help from Dublin(or is that Armagh?) never mind Rome

Jurgen Klopp

Don't know why they are cribbing a big issue with many j know is parishes starting giving out a box of small envelopes for collections a few years ago that you drop in to the collection plate so people won't see what your giving

Yet each envelope has a unique number to identify each house so the Priest, Parish secretary and whatever collectors doing the counting know what you handed in

A lot stopped giving aroind here after that, found it fierce cheek

2Mad2BeMad

centralchill wrote: »

I find that hard to believe, I don't know why but I can't really see any particular parish having to struggle, they'd be looked after


They might struggle for priests, but cash I don't think so, I could be wrong though.

Assistance from the government probably. I'd say in another 20years they will be even worse off as the generation that currently attend now who donate won't be around.
You go to mass on a Sunday the vast majority are elderly people once they pass away church's will begin closing as no one will be going.
There's a church in tallaght I know of that will definitely be closing in the coming months.
The priest basically begged people to attend his mass.
No doubt when it does close the community will be in uproar. The same community who call themselves Catholics but have only seen the inside of a church a handful of times.

Little Less Conversation

Go to mass on a quiet day. Set up a skimming device on the machine and have your money stolen. I don't go to mass but no way would I be using a card machine in a church.

123balltv

Last couple of funeral's I've attended involved no church
donation fee's to priest's will decline

Effects

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

Go to mass on a quiet day. Set up a skimming device on the machine and have your money stolen. I don't go to mass but no way would I be using a card machine in a church.

Why would you go to the bother of setting up a skimming device to steal your own money?

riffmongous

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Don't know why they are cribbing a big issue with many j know is parishes starting giving out a box of small envelopes for collections a few years ago that you drop in to the collection plate so people won't see what your giving

Yet each envelope has a unique number to identify each house so the Priest, Parish secretary and whatever collectors doing the counting know what you handed in

A lot stopped giving aroind here after that, found it fierce cheek

In our parish that was a different collection, closer to a tithe, in addition to the mass plate

riffmongous

123balltv wrote: »

Last couple of funeral's I've attended involved no church
donation fee's to priest's will decline

If it's a funeral I think you should give something, Sacriston, servers, cleaners are giving up their time for you

Effects

riffmongous wrote: »

If it's a funeral I think you should give something, Sacriston, servers, cleaners are giving up their time for you

Are they not giving up their time for God?
The priest gets an extra cash in hand pay day for a funeral, why can't he share it out with the lower staff?

rgodard80a

ted1 wrote: »

Do your totally ignorant yo all the charity work the church does ?

Are you totally ignorant to the church raping children for decades, knowing about it and covering it up ? Moving priests to different locations rather than admitting it ?

Running a few soup kitchens really doesn't give them the moral high ground.
And since selling the moral high ground is their fundamental business model, it should've destroyed them.

freshpopcorn

They've being talks about this for a good while.
I our parish they give out envelopes and you put money into them weekly and you claim some of it back on tax.(I think)
Most of the regulars I'd see at mass would be mainly cash people. It might take a while to catch on. Especially with the people who be in charge of the collections. They may be not be very technical.
Our parish does publish accounts. There out goings include heating(a lot from what I remember), running costs, flowers and a good chunk to local schools.

punisher5112

mariaalice wrote: »

What are beggers going to do when coins are phased out, that's what I want to know.

They will just get themselves a contactless machine and ask for their bus fare home.

I find it hilarious as I see the same faces daily stuck for a euro or two for their bus fare.

Must be an expensive bus journey.

Outlaw Pete

Was in Lapello's last night and they now let you pay for a lapdance by just swiping your card between a dancer's butt cheeks.

The girl whispered in my ear half way though the lapdance that I could touch if I wanted to but I had to point out that no, actually I couldn't, as Skrill cards don't have that function yet.

Homer

They should have tried out contactless with children first :cool:

Your Face

I thought they'd have a load of money from not compensating all the sexual abuse victims.

Ubbquittious

sk8board wrote: »

I think its a good idea - definitely progressive anyway.

I try to live as much in a cashless world as I can (yes I actively avoid places without card machines).

anyway, last sunday I happened to be at an anniversary mass in Kilkenny for a relative and realised I hadn't a cent for the (now 2) collections - and I wondered to my GF afterwards wouldn't it be handy if there was a machine pre-loaded with €2 or whatever at the door to tap on the way in

I mentioned it to someone I know in the fund-raising arm of a very well known charity, in reference to street collections and they are looking at it too. Tap as you pass. I imagine there's regulatory and trust issues to overcome first.

Do you like the idea of the government and the megacorps keeping a nice watchful eye over you?

railer201

'Our Father which art in heaven, I'm a bit short of cash could you please credit my card with €1,000' - sticks card in machine.

mikemac2

rgodard80a wrote: »

Running a few soup kitchens really doesn't give them the moral high ground.

Soup? That'd be the Protestants

Sunrise_Sunset

Moving with the times.
I remember a volunteer from the church doing house calls each week to collect the church envelope. They still managed to get the collection from non practising Catholics.

punisher5112

lililanny wrote: »

Moving with the times.
I remember a volunteer from the church doing house calls each week to collect the church envelope. They still managed to get the collection from non practising Catholics.

Was it pat mustard..... He probably put his big tool in their box.

bobbyss

One of the causes of the birth of Protestantism was the money making capacity of the Catholic church. Why doesn't the church just concentrate on religion and forget this money making racket.

Church on Tuesday

centralchill wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/contactless-card-machines-introduced-at-churches-to-counteract-decline-in-cash-donations-37819821.html

Came across this online today? Do people agree with this?

I can't say I do, Isn't the Catholic church rich as ****?

Yup, the Catholic church has any amount of treasure stored away in the Vatican.

Flog it all on eBay sure, no cash problems then.

lawred2

The problem isn't that John and Mary are at mass with only their revolut card.. it's that John and Mary are at fu(king home

punisher5112

lawred2 wrote: »

The problem isn't that John and Mary are at mass with only their revolut card.. it's that John and Mary are at fu(king home

Cash all the way for them.., they're on the gravy train.

The more I hear and see from the church the more it puts me off it.

s4uv3

This is in my local CoI church. Spotted it in the foyer when I was in before Christmas for a kids carol service thing.

freshpopcorn

My mother came home from mass with this tonight. These are the accounts they published for anybody interested.

Your Face

freshpopcorn wrote: »

My mother came home from mass with this tonight. These are the accounts they published for anybody interested.

Convenient numbers

Ally Dick

First time I have heard of priests going "contactless"