Supplements increasing by 23% on Nov 1st

zell12

Stock Up!

Government increasing vat on all vitamins, minerals & food supplements from 0% to 23% on 01 March
cod liver oil, vitamins, folic aid, sports nutrition etc etc

Save 23% by buying now

123654789

Feck. Stupid move by the government to tax health stuff.
I don't use them much but I'm getting the urge to stock up anyway!

The Caveman

I buy all my stuff from abroad anyway, so no real loss to me.

zell12

The Caveman wrote: »

I buy all my stuff from abroad anyway, so no real loss to me.

Well they'll have to charge Irish vat

Soarer

zell12 wrote: »

Well they'll have to charge Irish vat

Don't think they will.

If you buy from France, you pay the VAT in France.

The Caveman

parcel model.

zell12

Soarer wrote: »

Don't think they will.
If you buy from France, you pay the VAT in France.

Nope, they have to pay destination country tax.
Hence why you pay 23% vat on Amazon purchases

Cerco

First of many increases to pay for Children’s Hospital screwup!

GerardKeating

zell12 wrote: »

Nope, they have to pay destination country tax.
Hence why you pay 23% vat on Amazon purchases

Only if the seller is over a certain treshold.

QuadaLumpins

Soarer wrote: »

Don't think they will.

If you buy from France, you pay the VAT in France.

Not exactly correct.

If you buy in France you pay the French VAT.

If you buy from France it'll be Irish VAT.

L1011

QuadaLumpins wrote: »

Not exactly correct.

If you buy in France you pay the French VAT.

If you buy from France it'll be Irish VAT.

Unless the retailer sells very little to Ireland, in which case the are not required to register and will charge French VAT.

The lowest French VAT rate is 2.1% (not a typo) anyway so it's actually possible that they would deliberately register for Irish VAT to sell at 0%

utyh2ikcq9z76b

I can see cars being stopped at the hard border full of supps

stevek93

Will this be included?

https://www.avogel.ie/herbal-remedies/echinacea-echinaforce/

Witcher

Reina Drab Balcony wrote: »

I can see cars being stopped at the hard border full of supps

Lads'll be rubbing whey powder into their gums going 'it's pure'

Former Former

123654789 wrote: »

Feck. Stupid move by the government to tax health stuff.
I don't use them much but I'm getting the urge to stock up anyway!

I think Revenue's point is that much of this stuff isn't really 'health stuff' anyway.

Vitamins which are actually licensed as medicines will continue to have zero vat

pissed

Was covered on Joe Duffy today .... but but but but

Mike3549

zell12 wrote: »

Soarer wrote: »

Don't think they will.
If you buy from France, you pay the VAT in France.

Nope, they have to pay destination country tax.
Hence why you pay 23% vat on Amazon purchases

Amazon has irish vat no, thats why they charge 23%.
Im vat registered in ireland but if some frenchies buy from me, i charge 23% (unless they give me their vat no, then its 0%)

ted1

123654789 wrote: »

Feck. Stupid move by the government to tax health stuff.
I don't use them much but I'm getting the urge to stock up anyway!

Most of it is pure nonsense and serves no purpose

ted1

Soarer wrote: »

Don't think they will.

If you buy from France, you pay the VAT in France.

Is they sell over 75,000 euro into Ireland then they have to register here for VAT

rubadub

Witcher wrote: »

Lads'll be rubbing whey powder into their gums going 'it's pure'

whey powder with a photo of a muscly lad on the front is already 23% VAT, put a picture of a non musclar baker on the front and its zero rated. I find it odd no supp companies have taken advantage of this. Same with glucose, stock it in the energy drinks section with an image of an athlete 23%, stock it in the baking or baby food section just saying glucose powder, zero.

I presume this will still be the case when this vat change happens.

ted1 wrote: »

Is they sell over 75,000 euro into Ireland then they have to register here for VAT

I think it is 35,000. But I do see 75,000 mentioned

https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-registration/who-should-register-for-vat/what-are-the-vat-thresholds.aspx

Red Silurian

rubadub wrote: »

whey powder with a photo of a muscly lad on the front is already 23% VAT, put a picture of a non musclar baker on the front and its zero rated. I find it odd no supp companies have taken advantage of this. Same with glucose, stock it in the energy drinks section with an image of an athlete 23%, stock it in the baking or baby food section just saying glucose powder, zero.

I presume this will still be the case when this vat change happens.




I think it is 35,000. But I do see 75,000 mentioned

https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-registration/who-should-register-for-vat/what-are-the-vat-thresholds.aspx

35,000 products, 75,000 for services is the rule for registering for vat in this country so I presume that's where it comes from???

Either way the bargain has been lost

Little Less Conversation

I get very expensive vitamins. 40euro in fact. 23% on what I get is 9.20. Expensive and not sure I would spend 50 for a month's supply.

ted1

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

I get very expensive vitamins. 40euro in fact. 23% on what I get is 9.20. Expensive and not sure I would spend 50 for a month's supply.

Do you actually need them ? You’d probably get the equivalent in naturally occurring food.

kneemos

Folic acid for pregnant women and vitamin D in the winter.
The rest is fancy urine.

ted1

kneemos wrote: »

Folic acid for pregnant women and vitamin D in the winter.
The rest is fancy urine.

Foods that provide vitamin D include:

Fatty fish, like tuna, mackerel, and salmon
Foods fortified with vitamin D, like some dairy products, orange juice, soy milk, and cereals
Beef liver
Cheese
Egg yolks

The following foods can help you obtain your recommended amount of folic acid:

Leafy green vegetables, such as spinach
Citrus fruits, such as orange juice
Beans
Breads
Cereals
Rice
Pastas

ImARebel

I see you say can help.. Not definitely will

For anyone selling/buying CBD it's a big one

And before you brand it snake oil like the lovely Leo did, maybe do a bit of research first...

Phoebas

ImARebel wrote: »

I see you say can help.. Not definitely will

For anyone selling/buying CBD it's a big one

And before you brand it snake oil like the lovely Leo did, maybe do a bit of research first...

I just did a bit of research. Here's what the NHS say:

"Some products that might claim to be medical cannabis, such as "CBD oil" or hemp oil, are available to buy legally as food supplements from health stores. But there's no guarantee these are of good quality or provide any health benefits."

From the World Health Organisation:

"WHO does not recommend cannabidiol for medical use.'


Buyer beware.

ImARebel

Is it not buyer beware with pretty much everything?

WADA on board with CBD and it's benefits

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cannabis-oil-the-no-dope-secret-to-rugby-s-pain-relief-1.3787282?mode=amp

I still think it's wrong to treat it as a luxury item. For many kids with autism it's a life saver

Phoebas

ImARebel wrote: »

Is it not buyer beware with pretty much everything?

WADA on board with CBD and it's benefits

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cannabis-oil-the-no-dope-secret-to-rugby-s-pain-relief-1.3787282?mode=amp

I still think it's wrong to treat it as a luxury item. For many kids with autism it's a life saver

WADA are not on board with any 'benefits of CBD'.WADA are an anti-doping agency, not a health agency.
The fact that they don't ban it in no way endorses it for any health benefits.

There are certainly some individual studies (and lots of anecdotal evidence) for benefits of CBD, but not enough for the competent authorities (and that doesn't include WADA) to recommend it.

Like I say - buyer beware.

Former Former

Any supplement that really cures diseases can get approval as a medicine and avail of the zero VAT rate.

I'm sure CBD has some benefits but from a quick search, it apparently works for epilepsy, autism, cancer, osteoporosis, arthritis, anxiety, heart disease, Alzheimer's and acne.

(Edit: in fact, combine CBD and any disease you can think of in a Google search. Give it a try.)

Anyone who believes it can do all these things is either incredibly naive or selling CBD. Unfortunately the latter is always good at seeking out the former.

So no, Revenue should not be subsidising this.

ImARebel

Former Former wrote: »

Any supplement that really cures diseases can get approval as a medicine and avail of the zero VAT rate.

I'm sure CBD has some benefits but from a quick search, it apparently works for epilepsy, autism, cancer, osteoporosis, arthritis, anxiety, heart disease, Alzheimer's and acne.

(Edit: in fact, combine CBD and any disease you can think of in a Google search. Give it a try.)

Anyone who believes it can do all these things is either incredibly naive or selling CBD. Unfortunately the latter is always good at seeking out the former.

So no, Revenue should not be subsidising this.

I disagree my friend suffers from fibromyalgia and she'd given up all hope of anything other than than serious drugs to relieve her symptoms

She started on CBD and has never looked back, she's like a new person when her doctor couldn't believe the improvement and he said to continue taking it, and he was sceptical when she approached him first and he was basically saying its your money to waste.

So to say it's got no health benefits is just plain wrong

Anyway I know ye will all lynch me for the above saying its horse ****... But it's not.