Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

Perifect · 11-02-2019 5:19pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Dillane was ahead of Roux in the initial squad as well.

Yes?

Former Former · 11-02-2019 5:20pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Dillane was ahead of Roux in the initial squad as well.

But this assumes Dillane and Roux are competing with each other.

What if Joe said, I have two proven, international tighthead locks in Toner and Henderson, so I don't need Roux, but I only have one proven loosehead lock in Ryan, so I'll call up both Beirne and Dillane to see how they go?

There was no way Roux was getting ahead of a fit Toner or Hendo, but a fit Dillane might actually be better than a fit Beirne.

Faugheen · 11-02-2019 5:21pm

Perifect wrote: »

Yes?

Just pointing out there's a flaw to your theory that Joe rates Beirne more than Roux because Beirne was in the initial squad.

aloooof · 11-02-2019 5:22pm

Former Former wrote: »

But this assumes Dillane and Roux are competing with each other.

Which is the equivalent assumption Perifect is making by saying Beirne is ahead of Roux.

Faugheen · 11-02-2019 5:22pm

Former Former wrote: »

But this assumes Dillane and Roux are competing with each other.

What if Joe said, I have two proven, international tighthead locks in Toner and Henderson, so I don't need Roux, but I only have one proven loosehead lock in Ryan, so I'll call up both Beirne and Dillane to see how they go?

There was no way Roux was getting ahead of a fit Toner or Hendo, but a fit Dillane might actually be better than a fit Beirne.

Did you not read the post I quoted?

Perifect · 11-02-2019 5:23pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Just pointing out there's a flaw to your theory that Joe rates Beirne more than Roux because Beirne was in the initial squad.

There's no flaw. Beirne was picked ahead of Roux because Joe considers him higher up the pecking order.

aloooof · 11-02-2019 5:24pm

Perifect wrote: »

There's no flaw. Beirne was picked ahead of Roux because Joe considers him higher up the pecking order.

Dillane was picked ahead of Roux also. Yet started on the bench behind him on Saturday. There's your flaw.

Faugheen · 11-02-2019 5:24pm

Perifect wrote: »

There's no flaw. Beirne was picked ahead of Roux because Joe considers him higher up the pecking order.

Ok.

You just ignore everything that's been said to you and go with your own assumptions despite the fact they are all deeply flawed.

Perifect · 11-02-2019 5:28pm

aloooof wrote: »

Which is the equivalent assumption Perifect is making by saying Beirne is ahead of Roux.

Beirne was selected ahead of Roux, he was next in line behind Toner and Henderson!

Perifect · 11-02-2019 5:29pm

aloooof wrote: »

Dillane was picked ahead of Roux also. Yet started on the bench behind him on Saturday. There's your flaw.

How can you not remember that Beirne calls the line outs for Munster? It was literally on the last page!

Faugheen · 11-02-2019 5:30pm

Perifect wrote: »

How can you not remember that Beirne calls the line outs for Munster? It was literally on the last page!

And when both Beirne and Roux were on the pitch at the same time in the same jersey, Roux called them.

aloooof · 11-02-2019 5:31pm

Perifect wrote: »

Beirne was selected ahead of Roux, he was next in line behind Toner and Henderson!

Beirne was selected ahead of Roux
Dillane was selected ahead of Roux.
Roux started ahead of Dillane on Saturday.

The above are factually accurate. The last bit of your post you're just asserting yourself, without any idea if it's true or not.

Perifect · 11-02-2019 5:31pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Ok.

You just ignore everything that's been said to you and go with your own assumptions despite the fact they are all deeply flawed.

They're not flawed at all! Roux wasn't even in the original squad, Beirne was there as the third in line if Toney and Henderson were out.

Perifect · 11-02-2019 5:32pm

Faugheen wrote: »

And when both Beirne and Roux were on the pitch at the same time in the same jersey, Roux called them.

It would have been Beirne and Ryan starting, Roux wouldn't have replaced Ryan so I don't know what point you're trying to make.

b.gud · 11-02-2019 5:33pm

Has anyone considered this instead?

Perifect · 11-02-2019 5:34pm

aloooof wrote: »

Beirne was selected ahead of Roux
Dillane was selected ahead of Roux.
Roux started ahead of Dillane on Saturday.

The above are factually accurate. The last bit of your post you're just asserting yourself, without any idea if it's true or not.

3 callers were selected, Toner, Henderson and Beirne! You can't just ignore that. Roux wasn't selected.

Perifect · 11-02-2019 5:35pm

b.gud wrote: »

Has anyone considered this instead?

Yes, I have. They just can't face reality.

leakyboots · 11-02-2019 5:38pm

Can we maybe name the thread 'Ireland's Call?' (with a baffled emoji)…?

aloooof · 11-02-2019 5:40pm

This might've been lost amid the last few pages. Anyone?

aloooof wrote: »

In the interest of moving things along, is Jack McGrath still injured? And is there an argument that Killer is now playing himself into the position of 2nd choice Loosehead?

My thinking is if all are fit, Kilcoyne may start on the bench, but if Healy gets injured, McGrath would likely start?

Former Former · 11-02-2019 5:42pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Did you not read the post I quoted?

Yes, I did.

I was trying to post a different angle on this interminable debate.

What if saying 'Dillane was ahead of Roux' was like saying 'Cooney was ahead of Ross Byrne'?

I have no idea btw, but if Dillane was ahead of Roux in all circumstances, he'd have benched last week and started this week. He didn't, so there has to be more to it.

connemara man · 11-02-2019 5:43pm

let's leave the Quinn Roux/second row depth chat there for now

So can we please move on

Faugheen · 11-02-2019 5:45pm

Former Former wrote: »

Yes, I did.

I was trying to post a different angle on this interminable debate.

What if saying 'Dillane was ahead of Roux' was like saying 'Cooney was ahead of Ross Byrne'?

I have no idea btw, but if Dillane was ahead of Roux in all circumstances, he'd have benched last week and started this week.

The point I was making is that Beirne being in the squad ahead of Roux means shag all because Dillane was also selected and still benched behind him at the weekend.

You’re honestly quoting my post and making the same point to me that I was making.

EDIT: Just seen mod warning.

troyzer · 11-02-2019 5:57pm

aloooof wrote: »

This might've been lost amid the last few pages. Anyone?

aloooof wrote: »

In the interest of moving things along, is Jack McGrath still injured? And is there an argument that Killer is now playing himself into the position of 2nd choice Loosehead?

My thinking is if all are fit, Kilcoyne may start on the bench, but if Healy gets injured, McGrath would likely start?

It's not entirely clear what the craic is. He was clearly unfit against Ulster which is why he was dropped for Toulouse. Then he went fine against Wasps and we haven't seen him since.

I find it hard to believe it's entirely on form but Kilcoyne is a great impact sub, similar to Cronin. Great ball carrier whereas McGrath seems to be more reliably nuts and bolts.

I'm surprised as well he hasn't featured.

Former Former · 11-02-2019 7:29pm

troyzer wrote: »

It's not entirely clear what the craic is. He was clearly unfit against Ulster which is why he was dropped for Toulouse. Then he went fine against Wasps and we haven't seen him since.

I find it hard to believe it's entirely on form but Kilcoyne is a great impact sub, similar to Cronin. Great ball carrier whereas McGrath seems to be more reliably nuts and bolts.

I'm surprised as well he hasn't featured.

Just posted on the Leinster thread that McGrath is back at Leinster but doesn't seem to be training, per the photos anyway.

He hasn't been fit for a while but we're lucky that Kilcoyne did a great job on Saturday.

mfceiling · 11-02-2019 7:58pm

Perifect wrote: »

Beirne made his first start in November for Ireland! If he wasn't injured now he would have started ahead of Roux

So who would have called the lineout on Saturday then? Ryan has never called them and Beirne has all of a handful of caps for Ireland where HE HAS NEVER called the lineout.
Maybe Kearney could call it or Furlong.

Edit...Just saw Mod Warning. Apologies.

Perifect · 11-02-2019 7:59pm

mfceiling wrote: »

So who would have called the lineout on Saturday then? Ryan has never called them and Beirne has all of a handful of caps for Ireland where HE HAS NEVER called the lineout.
Maybe Kearney could call it or Furlong.

Beirne would have called but we're not allowed to discuss it. We shall find out in a few weeks hopefully. I'll be back then to discuss it.

leakyboots · 11-02-2019 8:19pm

Killer has done very well for a man who hadn't played in the Six Nations for six years or something like that. Great impact sub to have with him and Cronin coming on at the same time. I'd agree with Aloooof - if Healy is out you'd think Jack McGrath is the one to go from the start - he's suffered a bit of a drop in form though, not hitting his pre-Lions heights. I recall him putting in insane amount of tackles for a fattie, doesn't seem to be posting those kinds of numbers any more - wonder is it a general fitness thing?

Burkie1203 · 11-02-2019 10:41pm

French media reporting on players comments about not knowing where they were to go when coming on. Talk of senior players taking over from Brunel.

troyzer · 11-02-2019 11:03pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

French media reporting on players comments about not knowing where they were to go when coming on. Talk of senior players taking over from Brunel.

Isn't that what happened in 2011?

Dubinusa · 11-02-2019 11:08pm

Wow, France are in turmoil.
Brunel won't make it to round 3!

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