UK looking at Newry for potential nuclear waste site

Zorya

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Honestly, what's the fuss about? Sticking seals blocks of recycled waste in purpose built underground structures makes perfect sense - far more sensible than leaving it on the surface and it's not going to be shot into space.

That's cool. If you just PM me your address I will let the UK know immediately that your back garden is available.

Auguste Comte

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Honestly, what's the fuss about? Sticking seals blocks of recycled waste in purpose built underground structures makes perfect sense - far more sensible than leaving it on the surface and it's not going to be shot into space.

Just not on this little island please.

jmayo

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

It’s also held back the roll out of nuclear power and also proper waste handling, in fact in the us for example stupid irrational fear and bad politicians have prevented nuclear reprocessing which would drastically reduce the amount of radioactive waste needing to be stored.

Why do I bet you would quickly become a NIMBY if it was site near yourself. :rolleyes:

BTW the last thing we want is something that could possibly result in a more mutated Northern population.

italodisco

I hope the south armagh brigade make sure this doesn't happen

Edgware

jmayo wrote: »

Why do I bet you would quickly become a NIMBY if it was site near yourself. :rolleyes:

BTW the last thing we want is something that could possibly result in a more mutated Northern population.

Could the level of inbreeding be actually increased?

Edgware

italodisco wrote: »

I hope the south armagh brigade make sure this doesn't happen

They wont want anything disrupting their disposal of diesel mixes

selwyn froggitt

jmayo wrote: »

BTW the last thing we want is something that could possibly result in a more mutated Northern population.

Radiation fades your genes

Zorya

Bribes on offer to the local communities willing to ''host'' the site...

Local communities around England, Wales and Northern Ireland will be offered £1m a year to volunteer to host an underground nuclear waste disposal facility for thousands of years, as part of a rebooted government programme. The financial incentive is one way the government hopes to encourage communities to host the £12bn facility...

http://electricityinfo.org/news/radwaste-43/

Communities will receive up to £42 million if they agree to consider hosting an underground nuclear waste dump. They can keep the money even if they ultimately decide against it, under government plans. The payments, which will be spread over 20 years, are aimed at persuading communities to engage in the process of selecting and testing a site that will store enough radioactive waste to fill the Albert Hall six times. The Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said more than one community could receive the funding, with each being given up to £42million. The proposals appear to weaken the power of county councils, making it harder for them to prevent a community from agreeing to host the £19 billion “geological disposal facility” (GDF). A consultation document states the final decision will be subject to a “test of public support”, which could be a local referendum. The right to vote in the referendum could be restricted to a small area around the proposed site.

alloywheel

Lots of Irish people choose to emigrate to parts of the world where electricity ids generated by nuclear power, and they do not seem to mind. We want our cake and to eat it sometimes. Think of the pollution that comes from other forms of power.

rgodard80a

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

Educate yourself with this history lesson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire

There was a very interesting TV documentary about it last year.
"John Cockroft" was directing the building and at the very last minute managed to convince the architects/government to add air filters/scrubbers to the top of the chimneys. He was ridiculed at the time and they were called "Cockrofts Folly".

When Windscale (since "rebranded" to Sellafield) caught fire, his scrubbers contained the majority of the harmful radioactive air pollutants avoiding a lot of contamination that would've easily blown across the Irish sea to Ireland depending on wind direction.

Zorya

Swedish court has just rejected burial of nuclear waste - though the final decision lies with government.

The Swedish Environmental Court’s no to the final repository for spent nuclear fuel....The statement concerns Sweden’s most important environmental case of all times. The Environmental Court has been taken into consideration viewpoints from all parties of the case, including the scientists who have raised their concerns about disposing the spent nuclear fuel in copper canisters.

http://www.mkg.se/en/the-swedish-environmental-court-s-no-to-the-final-repository-for-spent-nuclear-fuel-a-triumph-for-th

kneemos

rgodard80a wrote: »

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

Educate yourself with this history lesson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire

There was a very interesting TV documentary about it last year.
"John Cockroft" was directing the building and at the very last minute managed to convince the architects/government to add air filters/scrubbers to the top of the chimneys. He was ridiculed at the time and they were called "Cockrofts Folly".

When Windscale (since "rebranded" to Sellafield) caught fire, his scrubbers contained the majority of the harmful radioactive air pollutants avoiding a lot of contamination that would've easily blown across the Irish sea to Ireland depending on wind direction.

Not related to storage in fairness.

The Tetrarch

We should let them know Wicklow is about 70 miles of granite.
If they don't want to drill a hole to hide the stuff they can feck it on the side of the road like everyone else.

All together now
"Neighbours, everybody needs good neighbours
With a little understanding, you can find the perfect blend
Neighbours, should be there for one another
That's when good neighbours become good friends"

rgodard80a

kneemos wrote: »

Not related to storage in fairness.

Same crowd.... and they do store nuclear waste in Sellafield ( badly )

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/growing-fears-radioactive-leak-sellafield-10765565

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/19/sellafield-plutonium-decaying-faster-anticipated-intolerable/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2005/may/09/environment.nuclearindustry

etc, etc....

cgcsb

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

It’s also held back the roll out of nuclear power and also proper waste handling, in fact in the us for example stupid irrational fear and bad politicians have prevented nuclear reprocessing which would drastically reduce the amount of radioactive waste needing to be stored.

I tend to agree with you. Nuclear hysteria in Ireland has done dreadful damage to our national energy security. The sit-in of English hippies in the 1974 in Wexford resulted in the construction of moneypoint coal fired power, which is now responsible for the bulk of this country's emissions from electricity generation.

However, the nearest nuclear plant to Newry is about 300km away in Scotland and there's a sea crossing in between. Moving waste such a large distance is nonsense, considering the volume of available sites in Scotland and the North of England. It smacks of British, pulling a fast one. They have form in this regard and the proper storage of nuclear waste is an expensive game, one which the Tory government has no motivation not to cut corners on, outside EU regulation and outside the area where they can get any votes at all.

cgcsb

rossie1977 wrote: »

The us government wanted to store most of the us nuclear waste at yucca mountain in Nevada...a highly seismic region of the country and within 30-40 miles of the fastest growing city in the country, Las Vegas.

The fact Nevada itself has no nuclear power plants and that the plan called for shipments of waste to be transported right through the city of Vegas to Yucca mountain and that the leader of the senate came from Nevada was the reason it was shot down.

I see similar thing happening in Northern Ireland. Tories need the DUP votes and they won't agree to having the six counties used as a dumping site.

The DUP gave them the idea I bet, Newry and Mourne is far from a DUP heartland the the DUP probably got a few shiney pieces of silver. Without Stormont sitting, who can stop them?

Ultimately it won't be tollerated, construction vehicles just wont make it to site.

tabby aspreme

italodisco wrote: »

I hope the south armagh brigade make sure this doesn't happen

Bit of a coincidence, the Tories putting nuclear waste in their least favourite place, in the Empire.

cgcsb

Auguste Comte wrote: »

I'm sure the people of Fukushima are delighted they were selected for their nuclear project.

What about the sailors who were incinerated in the oil tanker fire near Whiddy Island? Or the victims of the other THOUSANDS of fossil fuel industry disasters.

touts

UK Gov: We want to leave the EU.
DUP. Fine! Ulster refuses to be removed from the UK.
UK Gov: It'll mean economic recession in Northern Ireland.
DUP. Fine! Ulster refuses to be removed from the UK.
UK Gov: You could see a return to violence and terrorism.
DUP. Fine! Ulster refuses to be removed from the UK.
UK Gov We're thinking of using you as a Nuclear dumping ground.


Anyone else think the UK Gov might want to break up with Ulster.

BIGT4464

cgcsb wrote: »

What about the sailors who were incinerated in the oil tanker fire near Whiddy Island? Or the victims of the other THOUSANDS of fossil fuel industry disasters.

I am sure they are delighted with the employment. Look at the news when the new Anglesey plant was canceled. The locals were devastated at the loss of jobs.
A reply to CGCSB

jmayo

cgcsb wrote: »

I tend to agree with you. Nuclear hysteria in Ireland has done dreadful damage to our national energy security. The sit-in of English hippies in the 1974 in Wexford resulted in the construction of moneypoint coal fired power, which is now responsible for the bulk of this country's emissions from electricity generation.

However, the nearest nuclear plant to Newry is about 300km away in Scotland and there's a sea crossing in between. Moving waste such a large distance is nonsense, considering the volume of available sites in Scotland and the North of England. It smacks of British, pulling a fast one. They have form in this regard and the proper storage of nuclear waste is an expensive game, one which the Tory government has no motivation not to cut corners on, outside EU regulation and outside the area where they can get any votes at all.

Eh you forgot the toxic dump that is Sellafield/Windscale/Thorp/Magnox/CalderHall all just situated right across from Newry in Cumbria.

Maybe this is the future business the UK will be in post Brexit.

cgcsb

Zorya wrote: »

We should not have electricity from nuclear power if that's what the inetrconnector deal meant. I didn't sign it.

We do not produce nuclear energy on this island, there is no way another country should even be considering using this island to dump their nuclear waste. In a couple of decades the North will be integrated with the Republic and to have another nations nuclear dump deep in the bowels of the Mourne mountains! No way.

I love the way people use the word ''store'' as a euphenism for ''dump''. When we landfill rubbish we don't call it stores, we call it dumps, because that is what they are. The inability to properly deal with nuclear waste is the reason I am anti nuclear power. This inability continues.

Look at Fukushima - still seeping out large amounts of radioactivity into the Pacific ocean, which no one talks about any more. It is a dangerous technology.

Emotional drivel. You can count global nuclear disasters on one hand. The fossil fuel industry has had thousands of disasters and killed thousands of people. We presently don't have the ability to generate 24 hr electricity without either going nuclear or burning tonnes of peat and coal.

We're presently building an expensive undersea cable so that we can buy in French nuclear (their grid is 80% Nuclear powered) throwing ourselves on the mercy of French domestic policy and strike action. Irish people need to grow up, fast, if we are to maintain a continuous source of electricity.

Hurrache

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

It’s also held back the roll out of nuclear power and also proper waste handling, in fact in the us for example stupid irrational fear and bad politicians have prevented nuclear reprocessing which would drastically reduce the amount of radioactive waste needing to be stored.

This is exactly what someone suffering from radiation poisoning would say.

topper75

kneemos wrote: »

How would it work if we had a unified Ireland at some stage and the UK had a waste site on our land?

We'd simply dig it up with JCBs and send it back to them in 3 Eddie Stobart trucks.

cgcsb

rgodard80a wrote: »

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

Educate yourself with this history lesson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire

There was a very interesting TV documentary about it last year.
"John Cockroft" was directing the building and at the very last minute managed to convince the architects/government to add air filters/scrubbers to the top of the chimneys. He was ridiculed at the time and they were called "Cockrofts Folly".

When Windscale (since "rebranded" to Sellafield) caught fire, his scrubbers contained the majority of the harmful radioactive air pollutants avoiding a lot of contamination that would've easily blown across the Irish sea to Ireland depending on wind direction.

There have been thousands of fatal accidents in the coal, oil and gas industries. nuclear is like flying in a plane compared to driving in a car, way less likely to go wrong.

piplip87

It's all good lads. We still have the iodine tablets

Auguste Comte

cgcsb wrote: »

Auguste Comte wrote: »

I'm sure the people of Fukushima are delighted they were selected for their nuclear project.

What about the sailors who were incinerated in the oil tanker fire near Whiddy Island? Or the victims of the other THOUSANDS of fossil fuel industry disasters.

While that was terrible it doesn't compare to the long term environmental and human damage caused by nuclear disasters.

AbdulAbhaile

piplip87 wrote: »

It's all good lads. We still have the iodine tablets

I sold mine to Damo down the boardwalk, said he's been buzzzzin ever since...

4068ac1elhodqr

It's highly likely they would face a vehicle replacement/burnout rate faster than they could replace them, anywhere near the Newry area.
There is also great demand for digging machinery across rural areas in the North, likely for 'ATM machine mining' as happened twice in the NW last week.

Even the (few) Unionist politicans can't be paid off in the locality, as the very few ones there are in S.Down are based in Kilkeel and the (granite) Mournes areas.

From the Newry Democrat:

A NOTICE of Motion opposing burying nuclear waste in Newry, Mourne and Down received cross-party support at last night's (Monday) monthly council meeting.

The SDLP's Downpatrick councillor John Trainor, proposed the motion, which was also signed by Sinn Fein's Willie Clarke and DUP and UUP councillors.

The emergency motion outlined that Newry, Mourne and Down District Council (NMDC) rejected the idea of the installation of a Geological Disposal Facility (GDF) and was unanimously passed.

zapitastas

Beautiful part of the country to turn into a nuclear dump