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6n 2019 Ireland v England Build Up Thread

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    #92
    Former Former
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    Can we not?


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    #93
    Squidgy Black
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    Former Former wrote: »
    Can we not?

    Ah cmon FF it's a staple of every international window these days. We've already had the Rob Kearney debate, SOB and whether he's over the hill, now the foreign players.

    We're just missing the claims that Joe doesn't bring in the next big thing and we'll have a full house.


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    #94
    Perifect
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    What would be your criteria for players eligibility?

    I'd rather players have some family from Ireland anyway. Winning with 15 Irish players would mean more. This is just my opinion of course!


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    #95
    joseywhales
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Ah cmon FF it's a staple of every international window these days. We've already had the Rob Kearney debate, SOB and whether he's over the hill, now the foreign players.

    We're just missing the claims that Joe doesn't bring in the next big thing and we'll have a full house.

    When is McFadden back from injury?


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    #96
    Perifect
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    Former Former wrote: »
    Can we not?
    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Ah cmon FF it's a staple of every international window these days. We've already had the Rob Kearney debate, SOB and whether he's over the hill, now the foreign players.

    We're just missing the claims that Joe doesn't bring in the next big thing and we'll have a full house.

    Jesus, I didn't know this was such a sensitive subject! So, not allowed to mention this, Rob Kearney, SOB or bringing in the next big thing, whatever that is?


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    #97
    joseywhales
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    Perifect wrote: »
    I'd rather players have some family from Ireland anyway. Winning with 15 Irish players would mean more. This is just my opinion of course!

    Does that include children born in Ireland?


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    #98
    Clegg
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    Adam Byrne has remained with the Ireland squad this week at Carton House. I'm delighted for him as earlier in the season it was hard to see him getting into the Leinster squad let alone the wider Irish one. Played mostly in the Celtic Cup for the A side before a few injuries moved him back to the senior team. Took his opportunity with both hands and hasn't looked back.

    Although, he's only there due to Andrew Conway's injury. Looking into it a bit more I guess he's still not fully recovered.


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    #99
    Perifect
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    joseywhales wrote: »
    Does that include children born in Ireland?

    Do you mean players who have kids here? Well, their kids would be qualified!


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    #100
    joseywhales
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    Perifect wrote: »
    Do you mean players who have kids here? Well, their kids would be qualified!

    Just saying they have family from Ireland, if they have an Irish born child. I would like to see that as law, I wonder would unions pay for the child support and then there is the issue of finding willing participants.


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    #101
    troyzer
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    Perifect wrote: »
    Former Former wrote: »
    Can we not?
    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Ah cmon FF it's a staple of every international window these days. We've already had the Rob Kearney debate, SOB and whether he's over the hill, now the foreign players.

    We're just missing the claims that Joe doesn't bring in the next big thing and we'll have a full house.

    Jesus, I didn't know this was such a sensitive subject! So, not allowed to mention this, Rob Kearney, SOB or bringing in the next big thing, whatever that is?

    It's not sensitive, it's just exhausting. Every time the internationals start there's a blow in who brings up the same old **** about foreign players, Kearney is ****, Schmidt isn't innovative and SOB is crocked.

    It's boring. There are some people who don't like foreign born people playing for Ireland. Fine.

    But it's a fact of life and rugby is no different to any other sport.


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    #102
    awec
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    Former Former wrote: »
    Can we not?
    Yes.

    We're not.

    Move on.


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    #103
    Perifect
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    What a great welcome to the rugby forum! :D


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    #104
    troyzer
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    Perifect wrote: »
    What a great welcome to the rugby forum! :D

    Talk about rugby on the rugby forum.

    To be fair though, you probably weren't to know how ball numbingly repetitive your post was.


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    #105
    Perifect
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    troyzer wrote: »
    Talk about rugby on the rugby forum.

    To be fair though, you probably weren't to know how ball numbingly repetitive your post was.

    You seem like a nice, charming fella. :D I was talking about rugby. How was I to know there's a clique running this forum?


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    #106
    stephen_n
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    Clegg wrote: »
    Adam Byrne has remained with the Ireland squad this week at Carton House. I'm delighted for him as earlier in the season it was hard to see him getting into the Leinster squad let alone the wider Irish one. Played mostly in the Celtic Cup for the A side before a few injuries moved him back to the senior team. Took his opportunity with both hands and hasn't looked back.

    Although, he's only there due to Andrew Conway's injury. Looking into it a bit more I guess he's still not fully recovered.

    Well Conway is back, so if he’s still there it’s not due to Conway’s absence any more.


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    #107
    Stheno
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    joseywhales wrote: »
    Does that include children born in Ireland?

    Lads ffs desist from quoting


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    #108
    awec
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    Perifect wrote: »
    You seem like a nice, charming fella. :D I was talking about rugby. How was I to know there's a clique running this forum?
    No clique, but you stumbled on a subject that has been done to the death and always ends up with pages of nonsense. Please read the charter, and don't question mod decisions on threads.


    And welcome. :)


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    #109
    sydthebeat
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    So.....

    Zebo for full back anyone???


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    #110
    bilston
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    It'll never happen, but I'd love to see Ringrose play at 15. Great boot, really elusive and always finds a gap to make a line break. Superb defender as well.

    They said that about BOD...and then he played there against Western Australia for the Lions (18 years ago f****g hell)...and he never played there again...


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    #111
    Dubinusa
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    Adam Byrne would be a surprise inclusion.
    It's possible that we may see a little more of a spread this tourney?
    Maybe 3 starting rotations every match?
    I don't think it would harm us.


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    #112
    sydthebeat
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    Dubinusa wrote: »
    Adam Byrne would be a surprise inclusion.
    It's possible that we may see a little more of a spread this tourney?
    Maybe 3 starting rotations every match?
    I don't think it would harm us.

    I think the closest we'll come to rotation is the 50/50 calls..... Aki or henshaw v England, and the recpricol v Scotland. Healy and Mcgrath might switch. Possibly even conan for cj in the France or Italy game. Addison may play a game or two at 15. Larmour will get game time on the wing I think.

    Full strength though for Wales away.


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    #113
    The Lost Sheep
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    Dubinusa wrote: »
    Adam Byrne would be a surprise inclusion.
    It's possible that we may see a little more of a spread this tourney?
    Maybe 3 starting rotations every match?
    I don't think it would harm us.
    We shouldnt rotate for the sake of rotation. There is nothing to be learnt from that
    Not sure we necessarily will see more of a spread of players this year.


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    #114
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    We shouldnt rotate for the sake of rotation. There is nothing to be learnt from that
    Not sure we necessarily will see more of a spread of players this year.

    Apart from the Eng game, three rotations per the following four games would be about right. Which is rotation for the sake of proper game time for the backup squad, not for the sake of rotation.
    Scannell, Beirne, Porter, SOB, Carbo, Farrell, Larmour, Conway, Jordi at 8, Addison everywhere, all have to get a full game or two. Add in the established Healy/McGrath, Best/Cronin, Hendie/Toner, VDF/SOB/Leavy, Aki/Henchie combos, and there is plenty of scope for meaningful developmental rotation, while retaining a useful interest in winning those games.
    The scrumhalf situation is unfortunate. But there it is.


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    #115
    Podge_irl
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    Every single year people start muttering about more rotation and every single year it fails to materialise. Why does anyone think this will be different??


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    #116
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Every single year people start muttering about more rotation and every single year it fails to materialise. Why does anyone think this will be different??
    • Its a world cup year.
    • 6N titles and Grand Slams have been ticked off at this stage. Not quite hum-dum, but another wont really change the history record of this team and Schmidts tenure.
    • How they do in the world cup will crown it or leave an eternal black mark against it.
    • Its Schmidts last year.
    • Joe learns lesson. The last world cup quarter with a hobbled team was a lesson he learned. It has been a personal work-on for him since then to fix that.


    Those are the reason it is different this time.


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    #117
    troyzer
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Every single year people start muttering about more rotation and every single year it fails to materialise. Why does anyone think this will be different??

    Because a long term injury can rule you out of the world cup unlike other years.

    I don't expect much rotation outside horses for courses and the 50/50 calls. Carbery might get the start against France and Italy as well.


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    #118
    Clegg
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    I think people overestimate the importance of the World Cup to Ireland. Or rather, underestimate the Six Nations in a World Cup year. It's vital we do as well as we can every year. We're not going to rotate to build depth in such a tournament. We've already built the squad over the last three and a bit years.


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    #119
    joseywhales
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    An agressive aki tackle in the first 10 mins could do wonders against an England team set up to won collisions. He gives us gain line, we have plenty of footballers, including our tight head prop! I would have aki to start, itrespective of whether we can fit henshaw in or not.


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    #120
    baas baa
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    Non guaranteed first choicers I think could start at least one game are J.McGrath, Scannell, Porter, Beirne, Henderson, VDF, Leavy, Conan, Carbery, Aki, Larmour, Addison. Even at that I think it's pushing it.


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    #121
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    baas baa wrote: »
    Non guaranteed first choicers I think could start at least one game are J.McGrath, Scannell, Porter, Beirne, Henderson, VDF, Leavy, Conan, Carbery, Aki, Larmour, Addison. Even at that I think it's pushing it.

    Given the England game will be a first choice selection given that Eng are likely the strongest challenge, and that it comes first up, spreading that dozen among the 4 remaining games, thats three per game. About right. The details dont really matter. Its about giving experience in an almost first team, to a down or so key non first choicers where our coverage of experienced players is light.


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