Should social welfare Communion allowance be reinstated?

Prince William

A social welfare payment of €250 used to be available to unemployed people who had a child doing their first communion but it was cut 66% in 2012 and completely abolished in 2013 because of the recession. Now the the economy has improved, I think the payment should be reinstated so that disadvantaged people won't have to resort to moneylenders

lbc2019

Or they could cut their cloth according to their measure. Or ask the church- it’s their gig

BattleCorp

Many retailers sell first communion dresses very very cheap.

That's all that's needed for girls obviously. The lads are even easier to dress.

No need for an allowance for bouncy castles.

NIMAN

Absolutely not.

Its a joke now at this stage, with dresses of hundreds of euro, huge family meals, entertainers, bouncy castles etc.

They are like mini weddings now. If parents want to do all that, fair play, but don't ask the tax payers to subsidise it for you.

I personally believe the kids should make it in their school uniform.

oLoonatic

This thread wont end well

LorelaiG

No if people want their child to make their communion then there are lovely suits and dressed for buttons in Dunnes Debenhams etc in the November December time before they're due for communion.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

The social welfare need to cut back on their expenditure not increase it.

Fiftyfilthy

Absolutely not

Apart from communion and confirmation 99% never set foot in a church afterwards

All this lavish spending to resemble a traveller wedding is tasteless

Surely it’s the actual communion that is important and not the garish and hideous expenditure that people feel obligated to do

angeldelight

Absolutely not. There is no need for the State to be subsidising any religious ceremony

Elmo

No. I think even people who are very religious don't agree with that payment. Your talking about The Catholic Church and The Church of Ireland only AFAIK.

Give the 250 as part of a hamper for New Born Babies to start them off on the right foot.

randd1

Prince William wrote: »

A social welfare payment of €250 used to be available to unemployed people who had a child doing their first communion but it was cut 66% in 2012 and completely abolished in 2013 because of the recession. Now the the economy has improved, I think the payment should be reinstated so that disadvantaged people won't have to resort to moneylenders

Absolutely not. Tax payer money should never be used for something unless it's absolutely necessary.

And a first communion is not a necessity, its a vanity for most.

Never mind the fact that the State should have no input into religious affairs, and vice versa.

km991148

A special payment from the state to allow people to do some voluntary religious ceremony?

Would we have the same for bar mitzvah?

brevity

Bait.

McMurphy

Dole bashing and church bashing thread all rolled into one.

Genius.

Odhinn

Prince William wrote: »

A social welfare payment of €250 used to be available to unemployed people who had a child doing their first communion but it was cut 66% in 2012 and completely abolished in 2013 because of the recession. Now the the economy has improved, I think the payment should be reinstated so that disadvantaged people won't have to resort to moneylenders

If the state gives out cash specifically for one religions ceremonies you can be sure they're a court case away from having to fork out for anothers.

zell12

N O

Dakotabigone

The social welfare will have to at the very least give the working person free ky jelly.

malinheader

What's wrong with making it in your school uniform.

TeaBagMania

I thought there was supposed to be a separation between church and state?

eviltwin

Accidentally voted yes. Of course it should not be reinstated, there are plenty of affordable options out there.

eviltwin

TeaBagMania wrote: »

I thought there was supposed to be a separation between church and state?

Not in Ireland

Keyzer

Not a fúcking chance OP - not a chance.

We have enough spongers and entitled creaming off the state i.e. the tax payer.

If you dont have a job and you can't afford a €300 dress for your kid then you should not be subsidised - cut your cloth.

Dakotabigone

Keyzer wrote: »

Not a fúcking chance OP - not a chance.

We have enough spongers and entitled creaming off the state i.e. the tax payer.

If you dont have a job and you can't afford a €300 dress for your kid then you should not be subsidised - cut your cloth.

You can buy a dress for a lot less than €300.

Deebles McBeebles

I say yes, as long as they bring in another one for christening and confirmation.

And then one for your 18th, 21st and 30th. Hopefully they backdate it so I can claim.

Only if they provide free spaghetti for induction in to Pastafarianism

Atlantic Dawn

Did we actually have €250 of a grant for communion for the unemployed? Please tell me someone is taking the piss.

Prince William

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Did we actually have €250 of a grant for communion for the unemployed? Please tell me someone is taking the piss.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/thousands-of-families-hit-as-first-communion-grant-axed-29188705.html

Atlantic Dawn

Prince William wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/thousands-of-families-hit-as-first-communion-grant-axed-29188705.html

I'm shocked.

corner of hells

NIMAN wrote: »

Absolutely not.

Its a joke now at this stage, with dresses of hundreds of euro, huge family meals, entertainers, bouncy castles etc.

They are like mini weddings now. If parents want to do all that, fair play, but don't ask the tax payers to subsidise it for you.

I personally believe the kids should make it in their school uniform.

My twins , Chardonnay and Chantelle , are making thier communion this year and I intend having a horse drawn carriage with 16 ponies to bring them to church... I demand the social pay for it.

theteal

oLoonatic wrote: »

This thread wont end well

Au contraire, I think it may go the very way the OP intends. . .

Mundo7976

A: The church has enough of its own money to be able to afford some leeway towards disadvantaged people.
B: Sure why dont we subsidise sky and mobiles and nights out etc
C: ...null

cbyrd

malinheader wrote: »

What's wrong with making it in your school uniform.

It's not a school occasion its a religious one speak to the church. This is what I get told by the school when I call about the meetings held at 9pm and can they not be done earlier in the evening. Ffs.
There's no way this payment can be justified by anyone. You have 8 years to save up for it.

crossman47

Mundo7976 wrote: »

A: The church has enough of its own money to be able to afford some leeway towards disadvantaged people.
B: Sure why dont we subsidise sky and mobiles and nights out etc
C: ...null

The catholic church tries to discourage parents from lavish spending. They want them to concentrate on the sacrament. They have two chances in most cases!

ELM327

No, cut taxes for employed people instead.

Mrs OBumble

BattleCorp wrote: »

Many retailers sell first communion dresses very very cheap.

That's all that's needed for girls obviously. The lads are even easier to dress.

No need for an allowance for bouncy castles.

They don't need dresses. School uniform is fine.

Auguste Comte

crossman47 wrote: »

Mundo7976 wrote: »

A: The church has enough of its own money to be able to afford some leeway towards disadvantaged people.
B: Sure why dont we subsidise sky and mobiles and nights out etc
C: ...null

The catholic church tries to discourage parents from lavish spending. They want the money for themselves.

Fixed that for ya.

Mrnew

no way should they get an allowance for this if they want to have a party to celebrate the occasion then they should go get jobs or go home and celebrate it

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

BattleCorp wrote: »

Many retailers sell first communion dresses very very cheap.

That's all that's needed for girls obviously. The lads are even easier to dress.

No need for an allowance for bouncy castles.

And think of all the communion dresses sitting in closets. My communion dress had been worn by my sister and two cousins before me. It was still in perfect condition and I didn’t feel any less like a princess just because it was a hand-me-down. I actually like the tradition of dresses being worn by various family members.

My mother and her sister shared their wedding dress even!

gandalf

Nope keep it abolished, church and the state need to be totally separated.

BrokenArrows

No absolutely not.

A religious ceremony has nothing to do with the state anymore.

Irish Guitarist

I voted yes just to be different.

endacl

Prince William wrote: »

I think the payment should be reinstated so that disadvantaged people won't have to resort to moneylenders

They don’t have to resort to moneylenders. They choose to.

Church on Tuesday

lbc2019 wrote: »

Or they could cut their cloth according to their measure. Or ask the church- it’s their gig

Yeah, you'll be waiting for that.

Losty Dublin

Elmo wrote: »

No. I think even people who are very religious don't agree with that payment. Your talking about The Catholic Church and The Church of Ireland only AFAIK.

Church of Ireland doesn't have First Communion akin to what the Roman Catholic Church practises. A few Anglican churches do, but not the COI.

Losty Dublin

BrokenArrows wrote: »

No absolutely not.

A religious ceremony has nothing to do with the state anymore.

Were you for or against paying the Christmas Social Welfare bonus?

Agent Coulson

Let them all wear their school uniforms for first communion and confirmation.

Sin City

Of course they should 're introduce it.

I'm not gonna begrudge someone money for something like that or Christmas.

Roger Hassenforder

Can they not make their communion in their school uniforms?

Bride of christ me hole.

corner of hells

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

And think of all the communion dresses sitting in closets. My communion dress had been worn by my sister and two cousins before me. It was still in perfect condition and I didn’t feel any less like a princess just because it was a hand-me-down. I actually like the tradition of dresses being worn by various family members.

My mother and her sister shared their wedding dress even!

Please say you're male.

Dakotabigone

corner of hells wrote: »

Please say you're male.

Would this not confuse the priest?

James Brown

Prince William wrote: »

A social welfare payment of €250 used to be available to unemployed people who had a child doing their first communion but it was cut 66% in 2012 and completely abolished in 2013 because of the recession. Now the the economy has improved, I think the payment should be reinstated so that disadvantaged people won't have to resort to moneylenders

A hard no.
We should not be funding anything to do with makey up ceremonies. Especially those associated with an organisation that protects criminals.