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Should social welfare Communion allowance be reinstated?

Prince William

A social welfare payment of €250 used to be available to unemployed people who had a child doing their first communion but it was cut 66% in 2012 and completely abolished in 2013 because of the recession. Now the the economy has improved, I think the payment should be reinstated so that disadvantaged people won't have to resort to moneylenders

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cbyrd

malinheader wrote: »

What's wrong with making it in your school uniform.

It's not a school occasion its a religious one speak to the church. This is what I get told by the school when I call about the meetings held at 9pm and can they not be done earlier in the evening. Ffs.
There's no way this payment can be justified by anyone. You have 8 years to save up for it.

crossman47

Mundo7976 wrote: »

A: The church has enough of its own money to be able to afford some leeway towards disadvantaged people.
B: Sure why dont we subsidise sky and mobiles and nights out etc
C: ...null

The catholic church tries to discourage parents from lavish spending. They want them to concentrate on the sacrament. They have two chances in most cases!

ELM327

No, cut taxes for employed people instead.

Mrs OBumble

BattleCorp wrote: »

Many retailers sell first communion dresses very very cheap.

That's all that's needed for girls obviously. The lads are even easier to dress.

No need for an allowance for bouncy castles.

They don't need dresses. School uniform is fine.

Auguste Comte

crossman47 wrote: »

Mundo7976 wrote: »

A: The church has enough of its own money to be able to afford some leeway towards disadvantaged people.
B: Sure why dont we subsidise sky and mobiles and nights out etc
C: ...null

The catholic church tries to discourage parents from lavish spending. They want the money for themselves.

Fixed that for ya.

Mrnew

no way should they get an allowance for this if they want to have a party to celebrate the occasion then they should go get jobs or go home and celebrate it

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

BattleCorp wrote: »

Many retailers sell first communion dresses very very cheap.

That's all that's needed for girls obviously. The lads are even easier to dress.

No need for an allowance for bouncy castles.

And think of all the communion dresses sitting in closets. My communion dress had been worn by my sister and two cousins before me. It was still in perfect condition and I didn’t feel any less like a princess just because it was a hand-me-down. I actually like the tradition of dresses being worn by various family members.

My mother and her sister shared their wedding dress even!

gandalf

Nope keep it abolished, church and the state need to be totally separated.

BrokenArrows

No absolutely not.

A religious ceremony has nothing to do with the state anymore.

Irish Guitarist

I voted yes just to be different.

endacl

Prince William wrote: »

I think the payment should be reinstated so that disadvantaged people won't have to resort to moneylenders

They don’t have to resort to moneylenders. They choose to.

Church on Tuesday

lbc2019 wrote: »

Or they could cut their cloth according to their measure. Or ask the church- it’s their gig

Yeah, you'll be waiting for that.

Losty Dublin

Elmo wrote: »

No. I think even people who are very religious don't agree with that payment. Your talking about The Catholic Church and The Church of Ireland only AFAIK.

Church of Ireland doesn't have First Communion akin to what the Roman Catholic Church practises. A few Anglican churches do, but not the COI.

Losty Dublin

BrokenArrows wrote: »

No absolutely not.

A religious ceremony has nothing to do with the state anymore.

Were you for or against paying the Christmas Social Welfare bonus?

Agent Coulson

Let them all wear their school uniforms for first communion and confirmation.

Sin City

Of course they should 're introduce it.

I'm not gonna begrudge someone money for something like that or Christmas.

Roger Hassenforder

Can they not make their communion in their school uniforms?

Bride of christ me hole.

corner of hells

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

And think of all the communion dresses sitting in closets. My communion dress had been worn by my sister and two cousins before me. It was still in perfect condition and I didn’t feel any less like a princess just because it was a hand-me-down. I actually like the tradition of dresses being worn by various family members.

My mother and her sister shared their wedding dress even!

Please say you're male.

Dakotabigone

corner of hells wrote: »

Please say you're male.

Would this not confuse the priest?

James Brown

Prince William wrote: »

A social welfare payment of €250 used to be available to unemployed people who had a child doing their first communion but it was cut 66% in 2012 and completely abolished in 2013 because of the recession. Now the the economy has improved, I think the payment should be reinstated so that disadvantaged people won't have to resort to moneylenders

A hard no.
We should not be funding anything to do with makey up ceremonies. Especially those associated with an organisation that protects criminals.

NIMAN

Matt Barrett wrote: »

A hard no.
We should not be funding anything to do with makey up ceremonies. Especially those associated with an organisation that protects criminals.

To be fair to the Evil Organisation, they have often spoke out about the money and extravagance of first communions.

Billy86

Round up everyone against repealing the 8th and let them pay for it. Sure as we know (because they said it 87,382,475,302 times) they care so so so so much about children that they'll be lining up to pay for it, and it being the communion and all.

Anyone got Ronan Mullen or John McGuirks contact info handy? Would love to see them being asked to donate.

Purple Mountain

Just to clear up.
This wasn't a grant.
It was handled by the Community Welfare Officer and it was entirely discretionary. Ie-it could be refused. And as far as I know there wasn't a lump sum of €250. I think the officer had discretion that it could be less.
Sorry to be pedantic but while I agree it should not be restored, this thread is a bit alarmist making it look like this 'grant' was handed out to all in sundry when actually people had to go in person and plead their case based on 'hardship'.
I don't agree with those who say children should make the communion in a school uniform. Let the children enjoy their one day of getting new clothes and being spoilt. Within reason. I bought my son's whole outfit for his in Next for €80. Hardly bank breaking.

TeaBagMania

Billy86 wrote: »

Round up everyone against repealing the 8th and let them pay for it.

This, you want it? you pay for it.
Don't make the rest of society pony up so you can sleep better at night.

lawred2

Prince William wrote: »

A social welfare payment of €250 used to be available to unemployed people who had a child doing their first communion but it was cut 66% in 2012 and completely abolished in 2013 because of the recession. Now the the economy has improved, I think the payment should be reinstated so that disadvantaged people won't have to resort to moneylenders

it should in it's fu**ing hole

pikey allowance that should be called

[Deleted User]

I’d like it to be available.

Anyone who benefits from it should be entered into a Battle Royale on their 16th birthday.

The winner gets their own caravan and all the losers harses.

JupiterKid

Thats a negative from me.

From what I've heard communions have got ridiculous among some people, like a child beauty pageant and fancy parties and adults getting bladdered (WTF??).

Its sort of shocking that it was available in the first place. Children should do their first commu ion in their school uniforms.

Trigger Happy

250? That's a fair few pints worth.

leestone

No for obvious reasons don’t even need to state them

ColdTurkey

A Communion is a coming of age celebration, albeit highjacked by the Catholic church. The payment comes from a time when the vast majority of the country recognised themselves as Catholic. It was seen as a payment towards the Irish family unit. Whilst not agreeing with it. I do understand it.
Also, if people want to dress their kids up as tarts and get twisted, that's their own business.