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Driver indicating but doesn't turn

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    #32
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    an indicator gives an indication. Just an indication. It's up to a driver to ensure the vehicle is or isn't turning. He/she is responsible for making sure they are proceeding safely.


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    #33
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Would I have been at fault had we collided?

    Yes.


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    #34
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I think that is just a good rule in general.

    Statistically accurate statement :)


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    #35
    E36Ross
    Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭E36Ross


    Lylah Colossal Peasant wrote: »
    Never trust an indicator, it is only a signal of intent, that signal could be true or misleading which in this case it was.


    I got marked on my driving test a few years back for failing to proceed (Or something like that) Because I DIDN'T pull out in front of an approcing car who was indicating to turn to where I was coming from. :pac:


    But I agree, Never trust an indicator or a wet fart. :cool:


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    #36
    sligojoek
    Registered Users Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    Back when I was getting lessons my instructor told me, the only thing a flashing indicator means is that the cars electrics are working OK.


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    #37
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users Posts: 24,960 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    sligojoek wrote: »
    .... the only thing a flashing indicator means is that the cars electrics are working OK.
    Except if its a Renault as it could just mean that the driver is braking.


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    #38
    sligojoek
    Registered Users Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    Touché


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    #39
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    An exit from a housing estate that I visit regularly, is a T junction on to a busy main road. The main road has a bus lane to the right of the exit with oncoming traffic, but the bus lane ends just before the exit and does not continue at the other side.

    As a result, cars on the main road are traveling towards the estate exit junction, in the lane that is outside the bus lane, and they are then instructed by road painted arrow to pull in to where the bus lane ends and then continue closer to the kerb. This lane re-alignment move is required just before the oncoming estate exit junction. Drivers on the main road that are pulling back into the resumed kerb lane have been known to indicate left while doing so, giving the impression to cars ahead waiting to exit the estate that they are intending to turn into it, therefore suggesting that it is safe to exit.

    Several people waiting to exit the estate have have been caught by pulling out to continue left onto the main road, assuming that the oncoming car is turning left into the estate when instead they are incorrectly indicating that they are merely moving into the re-aligned kerbside traffic lane when the bus lane ends.

    There have been a few prangs and to be honest while it is never safe to trust an indicator and cars incorrectly indicating are at fault, but in this case the road layout design also has a considerable part to play in encouraging the confusion.


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    #40
    Dravokivich
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    If I see someone on the road, indicator or not, I'm thinking about what I need to do if they come my way. When joining a road, it doesn't matter to me if people are indicating to possibly turn off before where I am. As with that loch Ness movie, "seeing is believing".


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    #41
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭corks finest


    steo_magra wrote: »
    corks finest wrote: »
    Tough going bud

    It was indeed but I passed my test next time around and it was a valuable lesson I suppose!
    This country keeps amazing me


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    #42
    KathleenGrant
    Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭KathleenGrant


    Isambard wrote: »
    an indicator gives an indication. Just an indication. It's up to a driver to ensure the vehicle is or isn't turning. He/she is responsible for making sure they are proceeding safely.

    A town close to where I live has bus only parking a few hundred yards from a junction. 2 lanes on a one way system. People regularly park there so the buses stop on the road in the left hand lane. Cars then drive up the right hand lane (often without indicating) and back into left hand lane (indicating left). The amount of near misses from people assuming the cars are turning left at the junction and driving out into oncoming traffic is high. I never trust indicators alone.


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    #43
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,089 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    freddyuk wrote: »
    Have a read through this and then come back with anything you don't understand. There are people here who are happy to guide you to be a safe driver.
    http://www.drivinglessonsdublin.ie/rules.html

    Done.
    I read through this all.

    And didn't find a word confirming that person pulling out from side road is at fault in accident, when driver on the main road was indicating left turn and therefore giving signal to person pulling out from side road that their routes would not collide.


    So yes - I'm coming back with something I don't understand.


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    #44
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    CiniO wrote: »
    Done.
    I read through this all.

    And didn't find a word confirming that person pulling out from side road is at fault in accident, when driver on the main road was indicating left turn and therefore giving signal to person pulling out from side road that their routes would not collide.


    So yes - I'm coming back with something I don't understand.

    I don't use indicators. And don't see them either... It's safer that way...


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    #45
    KathleenGrant
    Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭KathleenGrant


    grogi wrote: »
    I don't use indicators. And don't see them either... It's safer that way...

    Be consistent, turn off your brake lights too.


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    #46
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    CiniO wrote: »
    Done.
    I read through this all.

    And didn't find a word confirming that person pulling out from side road is at fault in accident, when driver on the main road was indicating left turn and therefore giving signal to person pulling out from side road that their routes would not collide.


    So yes - I'm coming back with something I don't understand.

    Of course it's their fault. They have right of way. Anything else would be stupid.

    Regardless of them doing anything that could lead you to believe they might be turning, they still have right of way.

    Sur eif it was that simple anyone that pulls out in front of someone could just try it on and say the other person had an indicator on and get away with it.


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    #47
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,089 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Of course it's their fault. They have right of way. Anything else would be stupid.

    Regardless of them doing anything that could lead you to believe they might be turning, they still have right of way.

    Sur eif it was that simple anyone that pulls out in front of someone could just try it on and say the other person had an indicator on and get away with it.

    I must admit it's quite beyond me how can a person going straight have a right of way if they are clearly indicating that they'll turn left ?


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    #48
    KathleenGrant
    Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭KathleenGrant


    CiniO wrote: »
    I must admit it's quite beyond me how can a person going straight have a right of way if they are clearly indicating that they'll turn left ?

    Rules of the road.


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    #49
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    CiniO wrote: »
    I must admit it's quite beyond me how can a person going straight have a right of way if they are clearly indicating that they'll turn left ?

    Because they have right of way. An indicator doesnt change right of way.


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    #50
    DubInTheWest
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭DubInTheWest


    It can also work the other way too. A friend of mine was behind a jeep pulling a trailer, friend put on his indicator to over-take the jeep and the guy just turned right as the over-take was in progress with no indicator. My friend ended up in a ditch.


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    #51
    magicbastarder
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    stoneill wrote: »
    Never trust other drivers
    one thing i always remind myself of - approximately half the drivers you meet on the road are of below average intelligence.


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    #52
    4ensic15
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    one thing i always remind myself of - approximately half the drivers you meet on the road are of below average intelligence.

    Yeah, and the other half are stupid.


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    #53
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,089 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Because they have right of way. An indicator doesnt change right of way.

    How can they have a right of way going straight, if they are not planning on going straight.


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    #54
    Dakotabigone
    Site Banned Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Dakotabigone


    CiniO wrote: »
    How can they have a right of way going straight, if they are not planning on going straight.

    How do you know their intentions?


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    #55
    freddyuk
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭freddyuk


    I despair
    There are people driving around who just do not get it. It is very very scary.
    Still as others have rightly said expect every other driver to be a blithering idiot and drive accordingly. We may then survive intact.


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    #56
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    KathleenGrant wrote: »
    Be consistent, turn off your brake lights too.

    Where is flaw in my logic? Since nobody can trust an indicator, what is the point of using them?

    Break light are consistent and signal not an intend, but an actual manoeuvre.


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    #57
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,089 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Dakotabigone wrote: »
    How do you know their intentions?

    Indicator is for showing intentions.


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    #58
    Dakotabigone
    Site Banned Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Dakotabigone


    CiniO wrote: »
    Indicator is for showing intentions.

    Is it for the junction you are thinking they are taking or perharps the next one on? Or is their auto cancel broken?


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    #59
    KathleenGrant
    Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭KathleenGrant


    grogi wrote: »
    Where is flaw in my logic? Since nobody can trust an indicator, what is the point of using them?

    Break light are consistent and signal not an intend, but an actual manoeuvre.

    Brake lights are an actual manoeuvre, agree. Brake lights are not working and you brake. Guy behind hits you. Who is in the wrong?
    Same logic, no?


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    #60
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,089 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Dakotabigone wrote: »
    Is it for the junction you are thinking they are taking or perharps the next one on? Or is their auto cancel broken?

    It's their duty to indicate appropriately.
    If they are not doing it, then they are breaking the law.

    And if there is an accident when someone is breaking the law, then I can't see the reason why this person should be blameless.


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    #61
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    CiniO wrote: »
    It's their duty to indicate appropriately.
    If they are not doing it, then they are breaking the law.

    And if there is an accident when someone is breaking the law, then I can't see the reason why this person should be blameless.

    They might be signaling actual intend, which changed shortly before the junction.

    You cannot really prosecute anybody solely for having thoughts.


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