White Males Need Not Apply - British Police Ad

Fann Linn

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Like the ones who already apply for the posts all the time?

Doesn't really matter if they apply or not. For the Tommy Robinson brigade it just provides more ammunition.

Capt'n Midnight

Folkstonian wrote: »

What is the relevance?

It’s been well publicised that the outsourcing of recruitment in the army to Capita has been a disaster on so many fronts, but it’s not connected to the kind of positive discrimination that the OP has highlighted.

SO we can rule out outsourcing Police recruitment then

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Positive discrimination leaves them open to being sued by white males who only get interviews if they send in a second CV with a fake name.


On the other hand they get top down pressure if they don't start increasing the % of non-whites.

Policing isn't a high turnover job. It'll take thirty years to shift out the current generation of plods , longer for the top brass. So even if recruitment is in proportion don't hold your breath.


Aren't Sikhs overrepresented ?

dxhound2005

Folkstonian wrote: »

Care to address the rest of my post about recruitment into the MPS?

Always easier to pretend you are right when you simply cut all parts out of a post if they make it hard to convince others of the superiority of your own argument.

The Met Police tried limiting recruitment only to applicants from Greater London for a while to artificially increase the number of black and Asian police officers.

The scheme was such a roaring success that they quickly changed it back to allowing applicants from across Britain because diverse Londoners didn’t want to police their own city and recruitment fell off a cliff

Give me more details about this. For all I know it may have been a time limited scheme which achieved its objectives. How quickly was it abandoned?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Ten of Swords wrote: »

British Police are known for these sorts of ads, there was talk last October of 50/50 catholic recruitment for the PSNI again, currently it stands at 80/20 I think.

The argument with these ads is that minority officers are needed in order to be more effective at policing minority communities, whether the effectiveness of this policy is reflected in the real world is debatable.

If there are studies to back this up, then there might indeed be some merit in it. It’d be interesting to know.

But I just can’t agree with the ad, being a staunch meritocrat (whilst acknowledging that life is never going to be a perfectly level playing field). As meritocratic as is realistically possible is my stance. There’s no point hiring someone who hasn’t proved they are competent in an interview just because they are a target ethnicity. If they can’t do the job right, their ethnicity wont matter a jot.

Hoboo

FFS it's a requirement for the role, they need more people from various ethnic groups to wait for it........deal with members of the public from the same group (particularly the younger generations)

Nothing wrong with it whatsoever, they've identified an operational need and they're addressing it. No different to needing an accountant and hiring one.

AndyTheDude

So, three pages in and the word "rasist" hasn't been used yet.
Is the usual "rasist!" brigade absent today, or what? Haha

Folkstonian

Hoboo wrote: »

FFS it's a requirement for the role, they need more people from various ethnic groups to wait for it........deal with members of the public from the same group (particularly the younger generations)

Nothing wrong with it whatsoever, they've identified an operational need and they're addressing it. No different to needing an accountant and hiring one.

Why does the skin colour of a police officer matter?

Is it a requirement for some people that they are dealt with by a black or Asian (or indeed white) police officer if they have been burgled or assaulted?

If so, should we placate people like that or should they be told to get a grip?

dxhound2005

Folkstonian wrote: »

Why does the skin colour of a police officer matter?

Is it a requirement for some people that they are dealt with by a black or Asian (or indeed white) police officer if they have been burgled or assaulted?

If so, should we placate people like that or should they be told to get a grip?

The force seems to think it will help improve their service to the public.

Diversity matters. Diversity helps us to build bridges between the police and groups who traditionally feel disconnected from us. This speaks to the public’s trust and confidence in the police; it speaks to the ability for a young black male to feel that we will treat him fairly and proportionately, or for a woman to feel confident reporting a sexual assault to us. These are serious issues and we do not shy away from addressing them and nor should we. Despite that seriousness, the action we take is actually quite subtle and a key step we have taken is to run application and assessment centre workshops that have one simple aim: to give those who traditionally feel excluded from a career in policing the confidence that there is a place for them at British Transport Police.

https://btp.tal.net/vx/appcentre-External/brand-4/candidate/so/pm/7/pl/10/opp/4804-Police-Officer-Inner-Outer-London-Application-and-Assessment-Centre-Workshop-Wednesday-23rd-January-2019/en-GB

Folkstonian

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The force seems to think it will help improve their service to the public.

Diversity matters. Diversity helps us to build bridges between the police and groups who traditionally feel disconnected from us. This speaks to the public’s trust and confidence in the police; it speaks to the ability for a young black male to feel that we will treat him fairly and proportionately, or for a woman to feel confident reporting a sexual assault to us. These are serious issues and we do not shy away from addressing them and nor should we. Despite that seriousness, the action we take is actually quite subtle and a key step we have taken is to run application and assessment centre workshops that have one simple aim: to give those who traditionally feel excluded from a career in policing the confidence that there is a place for them at British Transport Police.

https://btp.tal.net/vx/appcentre-External/brand-4/candidate/so/pm/7/pl/10/opp/4804-Police-Officer-Inner-Outer-London-Application-and-Assessment-Centre-Workshop-Wednesday-23rd-January-2019/en-GB

If I wanted to know BTPs view I would head down to one of their workshops, if they’d let me in of course.

Can you please stop quoting me and replying with big blocks of copied text?

When discussing an issue as subjective as this, generally I thought the point of a discussion forum was to get the opinions of other members, not simply to be bombarded with the same corporate explanation it is fairly evident I already disagree with?

AndrewJRenko

Fann Linn wrote: »

Doesn't really matter if they apply or not. For the Tommy Robinson brigade it just provides more ammunition.

If you're 'giving ammunition' to racists, you're probably on the right track.

TheValeyard

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you're 'giving ammunition' to racists, you're probably on the right track.

Right track to increase far right support.

These adverts only divide society and remind people they are ethnically different.

AndrewJRenko

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Positive discrimination leaves them open to being sued by white males who only get interviews if they send in a second CV with a fake name.

They won't get sued for positive discrimination.

They might get sued for crap recruitment practices that discriminate based on name.

RasTa

skooterblue2

Ninthlife wrote: »

When will the positions for white males be advertised?

They arent welcome in London or Birmingham or Stoke, or Leeds or Rotherham

sheesh

splashuum wrote: »

An interesting job posting from the British police. I can see why this went viral.

https://www.facebook.com/britishtransportpolice/photos/a.323104971171991/1244843678998111/?type=3

What ever happened to hiring the best person for the job? :rolleyes:

maybe they want to attract more minorities and women into the police force if you are a white male you can still apply. Maybe they are currently hiring and this is one of many promotional images they have produced but you decided to be offended by this one.

meeeeh

Folkstonian wrote: »

Why does the skin colour of a police officer matter?

Is it a requirement for some people that they are dealt with by a black or Asian (or indeed white) police officer if they have been burgled or assaulted?

If so, should we placate people like that or should they be told to get a grip?

Maybe because they will be more effective getting information from different communities if they send someone who is more familiar with their way of life. Or for example because female rape victim will find it easier to talk to female police officer. Or strip search being preformed by someone of your gender.

Or you can have less extreme version of policing North had where half of community went to IRA to resolve the issue.

paw patrol

comments has a few gems.

kinda like this one - cos I felt it was apt for Ireland too

comment 1:

Surely woman shouldn't get the same pay as men officers. I mean if you we're getting beat up who would you rather show up 2 men or 2 woman.
Manage

Retort:

don’t worry about that. Doesn’t matter, male, female, no one is gonna turn up if you’re getting beat up or stabbed.

splashuum

meeeeh wrote: »

Folkstonian wrote: »

Why does the skin colour of a police officer matter?

Is it a requirement for some people that they are dealt with by a black or Asian (or indeed white) police officer if they have been burgled or assaulted?

If so, should we placate people like that or should they be told to get a grip?

Maybe because they will be more effective getting information from different communities if they send someone who is more familiar with their way of life.

How exactly do you identify someone’s “way of life” according to their skin colour?
Are you suggesting a black policeman who comes from a millionaire privaeleged background automatically know more about the “minority way of life” over a white policeman who comes from an actual minority background?

AndrewJRenko

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Right track to increase far right support.

These adverts only divide society and remind people they are ethnically different.

People who see that the make up of the police force is dramatically different to the make up of their community are well aware that they are ethnically different.

What divides society is having a police force that doesn't reflect the community.

suicide_circus

wait, you're telling me that a police force in northern Europe is dominated by male Caucasians? disgusting.

meeeeh

splashuum wrote: »

How exactly do you identify someone’s “way of life” according to their skin colour?
Are you suggesting a black policeman who comes from a millionaire privaeleged background automatically know more about the “minority way of life” over a white policeman who comes from an actual minority background?

You know exactly what I mean, you need people from the community to be represented for policing to work. But yeah we can start the discussion about numerous rich black guys who are totally overrepresented. Oh wait...

Gimme A Pound

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Meh, it's the new thing now. It's called "positive discrimination".
The BBC raised a few eyebrows with similar carry on.

Crikey that's pretty extreme.

steddyeddy

Fann Linn wrote: »

I can see why some voted for Brexit.

Because they're idiots who voted to leave the European Union because they hate people from Pakistan. Shooting themselves in the foot.

AlphabetCards

steddyeddy wrote: »

Because they're idiots who voted to leave the European Union because they hate people from Pakistan. Shooting themselves in the foot.

Actually it is not. I thought you were an open minded academic?

Odhinn

Folkstonian wrote: »

This sort of initiative doesn’t actually work anyway.

The Met Police tried limiting recruitment only to applicants from Greater London for a while to artificially increase the number of black and Asian police officers.

The scheme was such a roaring success that they quickly changed it back to allowing applicants from across Britain because diverse Londoners didn’t want to police their own city and recruitment fell off a cliff

The trouble that establishments have all across Europe is that although the continent may be becoming increasingly diverse, it will always have an indigenous white population. These people are always going to be the ones with a greater connection, emotional and familial, to the different arms of the state.. police, military, civil service etc, and will always feel a greater pull to them as a way of serving their homeland

...just like those Sikhs and Nepalese

Franz Von Peppercorn

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

People who see that the make up of the police force is dramatically different to the make up of their community are well aware that they are ethnically different.

What divides society is having a police force that doesn't reflect the community.

What divides society is this kind of racial huckerism. Race doesn’t exist but state sanctioned racial categorisation does.

You’re a government employee right? What’s the percentage of non white Irish in your dept?

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

They arent welcome in London or Birmingham or Stoke, or Leeds or Rotherham

Yeah, looks like the poor white man is really being squeezed out of the Transport Police there, doesn't it?

meeeeh

So there is absolutely no problem if by sheer coincidence PNSI would be 100% protestant? Good to know that people would have full trust in the force anyway.

Franz Von Peppercorn

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yeah, looks like the poor white man is really being squeezed out of the Transport Police there, doesn't it?

Bit like your office or suburb then?

Why would a white woman or Chinese man (etc etc etc) be any better at policing a black area than a white man? Or should we police every ethnic group with its own police force.

lbc2019

How triggered are the incels on boards they need to project perceived injustice from other countries on the much maligned straight white male lolz