UFC London **16th March 2019**

Whelo79

martyos121 wrote: »

it would have to be quite extreme to justify throwing hooks at the lad.

It wouldn't have to be at all. The lad has spent his life fighting, from backyard brawls to UFC. They are fighters still pumped up from their earlier fights. Edwards definitely want expecting that reaction though. Masvidal got 5 punches in before Edwards barely raised a hand to defend himself.

Pac1Man

martyos121 wrote: »

You conveniently left out the rest of my post. Is it because it contradicts what you said? Probably.

I find it funny when people impose their own civilised sensibilities on those who come from a completely different background and upbringing.

martyos121

Whelo79 wrote: »

It wouldn't have to be at all. The lad has spent his life fighting, from backyard brawls to UFC. They are fighters still pumped up from their earlier fights. Edwards definitely want expecting that reaction though. Masvidal got 5 punches in before Edwards barely raised a hand to defend himself.

Yeah I mean I get why he did it, I’m just saying it’s not going to benefit him in any way. I’m all for standing up for oneself when it’s called for, but I’d like to know what Edwards said to him before I say any more on it. Again, not condemning Jorge right away, despite how some may interpret my post.

Eoinbmw

ASOT wrote: »

Low fight IQ rather than being overrated imo.

Fight IQ is part of being a fighter its an ability in itself, Till is lacking, Till is overrated !

Whelo79

martyos121 wrote: »

it’s not going to benefit him in any way.

Absolutely it will. He will be all over social media. He just KO'd Till and then got in a scrap backstage. His stock has shot up.

Iano813

Whelo79 wrote: »

Absolutely it will. He will be all over social media. He just KO'd Till and then got in a scrap backstage. His stock has shot up.

He's pretty much starched #3 and #10 in the one night. Next up Marty.

martyos121

Pac1Man wrote: »

I find it funny when people impose their own civilised sensibilities on those who come from a completely different background and upbringing.

I find it funny when people pick and choose a couple of words from a post to start an argument and ignore the parts that don’t suit their agenda.

You know very well that I meant what I said in the context of his career and professional life (it’s literally the very next words after the ones you quoted),not how it’s in his DNA as a street fighter. As I already said, I get why he did it, I just want to know what caused that reaction. If Edwards insulted his family or threatened him in any way or anything nasty along those lines, then hats off to Masvidal, I wouldn’t blame him. I understand the “talk shît, get hît” viewpoint to a degree, but it’d be good to know what instigated that sort of reaction before glorifying Masvidal for it.

Not interested in a petty argument with you about this because you’re arguing a point that I never made. It was a great card from what I saw of it and I’d like to remember it for what happened inside the octagon. Masvidal is a proper contender in that wrestler-heavy division now, he brings something very different to the table, definitely has to fight Edwards next.

martyos121

Iano813 wrote: »

He's pretty much starched #3 and #10 in the one night. Next up Marty.

Hope you’re talking about Marty from Nebraska, I don’t want none of that! :pac:

Whelo79

https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/1107073686748758018?s=19

mdwexford

Really enjoyable main event. Wanted to see another few round of that but wow what a knockout. Till didn’t move for five minutes.

Wanted Gunnar to win but he ran out of ideas fast. Edwards had a good gameplay and avoided trouble until the very end.

Duffy looked really bad after the layoff.

martyos121

Whelo79 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/1107073686748758018?s=19

That’s what I feared might happen. You can get arrested in the UK for a lot less than that even. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that.

MrStuffins

Gooden mentioned Masvidal just came off a reality TV show?

Looks like he was in another one after that fight the way he Punk'd Edwards.

dave1982

Masvidal gets usman next according to ali

cashcow

Just back now from the O2,obviously the silence was unreal when Till got sparked. The clock ran out for Gunni, the whole crowd was behind him it was some atmosphere. I don't know what it is with Joe Duffy I just feel he's too hesitant like he's being overly cautious. Ben Askren is a hero,well able for the banter and happy to take pictures only for security rushing him in and out. Jorge vs Who next?

JacksonHeightsOwn

I'm sure Till is an OK guy.

But he comes across as an absolute moron in interviews.

I also couldn't understand how he was ranked so high when in reality he just beat Cerrone, who is a pumped up lightweight. And Thompson by split decision.

He's completely overrated, terrible talker. And clearly cuts far too much weight as well.

He needs to move up to 185 now.

I'm no expert, but surely he can't carry any power dropping all that weight?

As for Masvidal that guy is a stud. No bull****, just come to scrap.

rob316

I was there last night and the placed was absolutely stunned when masvidal caught him. The silence and everyone just headed for the exit. Till was out cold, no movement at all.

ASOT

Masvidals stock has absolutely skyrockect, social media is flooded with him. Every comment section on anything from last night. I'd say Dana's delighted

Paully D

Remember when Duffy was the betting favourite over Poirier.

Jaysus.

Esse85

chrisbonnie wrote: »

I'm sure Till is an OK guy.

But he comes across as an absolute moron in interviews.

I also couldn't understand how he was ranked so high when in reality he just beat Cerrone, who is a pumped up lightweight. And Thompson by split decision.

He's completely overrated, terrible talker. And clearly cuts far too much weight as well.

He needs to move up to 185 now.

I'm no expert, but surely he can't carry any power dropping all that weight?

As for Masvidal that guy is a stud. No bull****, just come to scrap.

He reminds me so much of Tony Bellew in interviews and I really can't stand him.

The Nal

Delighted Till got KTFO. Overrated and a prat.

D.Q

Was there last night. Good night of fights. Not a whole lot of finishes. Some strange endings/decisions and home town fighters losing kind of dampened the mood in the arena I felt.

As an aside, the bar staff in the O2 are by far the most gormless, useless lazy shower of gob****es. Any bar I was at seemed to be full of the same vacant eyed morons moving at a snails pace.

The whole thing was a shambles. Slowly pulling pints as they are ordered. Have them pre pulled and ready to go like at any festival etc queues were a disgrace.

Subcomandante Marcos

Jorge was great last night, got stung a few times but kept coming forward and was great on the break from the clinch.

Till has to be draining himself too much to make that weight, he looked 2 weight classes bigger than Jorge and was blowing through his arse by the end of the first round. He has to go up to 185, he's in the same boat as the likes do Whittaker, yeah he can make 170 but it's not what he should be doing and it's limiting what he can do in the cage, going up will be much better for him I think.

Joe got stung by the leg kicks early and that limited both his movement and his ability to stand in the pocket and as a result was always too cautious because he was worried about Daikaise doing spinny ****, he needs to stop being so heavy on the lead leg, it's just going to get chewed up every fight. But I dunno if that can be trained out of him because his strongest skill set is his boxing.

Ultimate Seduction

mangobob wrote: »

The weird thing is, I knew Gamebred was tough but I was watching Till taking his shots and thinking "he doesnt respect his power". I really thought if anyone was gonna get knocked out it was Masvidal. Then a couple of minutes later kersplat. Incredible.

There are a few knockouts that really stick in my mind. The last one I saw that looked that spectacular was Brown vs Sanchez but this one tonight is right up there with the best. Even looking at the replays I still wince.

Ngannu on overreem was pretty sick too. Anyone have a link to the KO?(if not allowed PM) I usually cant avoid clips but can't find any for this.

The Nal

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Ngannu on overreem was pretty sick too. Anyone have a link to the KO?(if not allowed PM) I usually cant avoid clips but can't find any for this.

https://twitter.com/JobanyXudo/status/1107056284870811648?s=19

califano

In the Molly McCann fight Cachoeira appeared to take a cheap shot when McCann looked to touch gloves when she returned from the doctor's eye inspection. Referee Rich Mitchell stopped the fight to rebuke Cachoeira. Why did he do this?. Its in the rules that when the ref says fight you defend yourself at all times and the hand touch is an unwritten rule between fighters to honor. So it would have been clearly within the rules albeit bad sportswomen ship if it landed.
He said im not going to deduct a point(oh how nice of him!). But would he even have authority to deduct a point for this and if so for what?.

cletus

califano wrote: »

In the Molly McCann fight Cachoeira appeared to take a cheap shot when McCann looked to touch gloves when she returned from the doctor's eye inspection. Referee Rich Mitchell stopped the fight to rebuke Cachoeira. Why did he do this?. Its in the rules that when the ref says fight you defend yourself at all times and the hand touch is an unwritten rule between fighters to honor. So it would have been clearly within the rules albeit bad sportswomen ship if it landed.
He said im not going to deduct a point(oh how nice of him!). But would he even have authority to deduct a point for this and if so for what?.

Was he the same ref in the Roberts Silva fight?

MrStuffins

califano wrote: »

In the Molly McCann fight Cachoeira appeared to take a cheap shot when McCann looked to touch gloves when she returned from the doctor's eye inspection. Referee Rich Mitchell stopped the fight to rebuke Cachoeira. Why did he do this?. Its in the rules that when the ref says fight you defend yourself at all times and the hand touch is an unwritten rule between fighters to honor. So it would have been clearly within the rules albeit bad sportswomen ship if it landed.
He said im not going to deduct a point(oh how nice of him!). But would he even have authority to deduct a point for this and if so for what?.

Isn't there a rule about "Unsportsmanlike conduct potentially causing harm to your opponent" or something?

Such a scumbag move!

JacksonHeightsOwn

Esse85 wrote: »

He reminds me so much of Tony Bellew in interviews and I really can't stand him.

100% thinks he's Tony bellew. And funnily enough, looks as gaunt and gangly as Tony did when he boxed at light heavy.

walshb

Esse85 wrote: »

He reminds me so much of Tony Bellew in interviews and I really can't stand him.

Compared to Till, Bellew is like fooking Santa Claus..

Very very unlikable twat....

Delighted he got KTFO; he is so overrated. His WW showing vs Woodley was absolute pathetic..

Why on earth does he think he’s good....?

pastorbarrett

Anybody else notice a marked difference in Tills physique last night, say compared to the Cowboy fight? Was sure he looked softer and less defined last night.

celticsfan

Lads was Kavanagh in Gunnis corner last night?? I know Gunni trains at Mjolnir now but for the last few fights Kavanagh was still in his corner... Only seen his dad and Luka Jelcic myself...

Iano813

celticsfan wrote: »

Lads was Kavanagh in Gunnis corner last night?? I know Gunni trains at Mjolnir now but for the last few fights Kavanagh was still in his corner... Only seen his dad and Luka Jelcic myself...

No he missed his flight. He apologised on twitter got crucified for it. He was paid his corner fee for Gunni already and chose Cian as his priority this weekend then missed the flight.

ricero

Reckon Masvidal will fight Edwards either as a fight night headliner now or the undercard of the big July fight week card.

Autecher

Iano813 wrote: »

No he missed his flight. He apologised on twitter got crucified for it. He was paid his corner fee for Gunni already and chose Cian as his priority this weekend then missed the flight.

How do you know he was paid his corner fee in advance? And do you know if he got a corner fee for the Phillips fight too?

celticsfan

Iano813 wrote: »

No he missed his flight. He apologised on twitter got crucified for it. He was paid his corner fee for Gunni already and chose Cian as his priority this weekend then missed the flight.

Jez,he musta slept I was wondering why Luka was offering the corner advice..I don't follow Kavanagh on twitter so didn't see his apology..

Iano813

Autecher wrote: »

How do you know he was paid his corner fee in advance? And do you know if he got a corner fee for the Phillips fight too?

Don't know if he was paid for Johnny. But I know he was for Gunnar. Anyway it was unprofessional to miss a flight then to mix up a change over when you've 2 men on a main card of an event. Most corner men will travel with fighters well unless you monopolise and go from card to card landing 5 hours before a fight.

Iano813

celticsfan wrote: »

Jez,he musta slept I was wondering why Luka was offering the corner advice..I don't follow Kavanagh on twitter so didn't see his apology..

Yeah second round he was in disarray looked to the corner for advice on Leon wrestling exchanges and there wasn't even a shout back. Crazy

Esse85

Did Till give any interview yet?

Iano813

Esse85 wrote: »

Did Till give any interview yet?

I've been searching high an low

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIzliAlX0ps
Dan Hardy / BT Sport post event recap - guest starring a near mute John Kavanagh. Prob jet lagged in fairness.

Where does Gunnar go from here? Against top 10-15 he can't seem to set up any kind of a streak. Win one, lose one. He's lost 4 of his last 8.

If they keep him against this level of opponent I think he keeps doing more of the same. Win one, lose one.

He's a quality fighter but just not at the level necessary to string 3 or 4 impressive wins together and get a title shot. He's also not marketable enough to get a title shot coming off a short streak (or to have a streak engineered for him via favourable matchmaking).

He's only 30 so he has a few years left. But with his training setup I don't see him getting any better. Maybe he should ask to be released and go to Bellator ?

Autecher

I know the rankings are nonsense but the fact is when he fights anyone ranked above him in the top 15 he mostly loses. He keeps his hands very low which cost him badly against Ponzinibbio eye poke or not, and he invited that elbow in last night by doing the same thing. I think (though my memory isn't great on it) that Oliveira knocked him down too? This tweet from Kavanagh says a lot to me, it's great he has this confidence in Gunni but fix his flaws too. Win or learn?


https://twitter.com/John_Kavanagh/status/1071912093438369792

MrStuffins

Esse85 wrote: »

Did Till give any interview yet?

I'm sure he will once he comes around

ASOT

Legend has it Till is still asleep

pastorbarrett

Gunni is a 165 candidate, I think that's where he goes from here...

RoyalCelt

martyos121 wrote: »

Some quality crowd reactions to that KO:



:pac:

Beersmith

Gunni should go to lightweight.

JacksonHeightsOwn

Beersmith wrote: »

Gunni should go to lightweight.

I'd have to agree with you.

The guy is tiny compared to all of his opponents.

And unfortunately for him, the higher up the rankings he goes, the more that weight difference plays a part.

You'd imagine he can make 155 rather easily.

pastorbarrett

chrisbonnie wrote: »

I'd have to agree with you.

The guy is tiny compared to all of his opponents.

And unfortunately for him, the higher up the rankings he goes, the more that weight difference plays a part.

You'd imagine he can make 155 rather easily.

He does look like he's packed on muscle of late, however - IIRC he was working with new strength and conditioning coach. I think in this shape he'd do well at 165. But yes, until that materialises, he'd likely be better optimising for 155.

JacksonHeightsOwn

pastorbarrett wrote: »

He does look like he's packed on muscle of late, however - IIRC he was working with new strength and conditioning coach. I think in this shape he'd do well at 165. But yes, until that materialises, he'd likely be better optimising for 155.

I've also seen him eating lunch in a cafe on the long mile road, maybe 3 weeks out from a fight. And I can confirm he had a desert.

I'm not a slave driver, but a guy cutting weight should not be eating Mars bar brownies that close to a weigh in.