Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

feckthisgenie

Martina1991 wrote: »

I was quoting what another poster said, who appears to be a nurse. They said nurses top out in the high 50s. I assume they meant the average nurse at the top scale gets 46k plus whatever allowances or extra pay for unsocial hours.
I'm not talking about senior positions.
I also work in the hse, but not a nurse. I included physios and OTs in my example but there are also other hospital professions with 4 year degrees top their scales on less than 50k.

Yes we're talking basic pay. Of course nurses are going to get extra for unsociable hours for nights , wkds etc which will increase their monthly pay. They want pay parity as physio, OT etc which is 52-53k basic pay.
Physiotherapists get paid extra for wkd work, every person in whatever discipline get extra for unsociable hours.
So I think a nurse is entitled to the same basic pay as a "basic grade" OT or physiotherapist

doolox

...my accountant told me I can't.

Lucky I am fairly healthy.

Wifes a nurse

Mother was a nurse.

Sister was a nurse until she hurt her back. 75% of nurses have back problems.

My sister in law was a nurse and cannot do it anymore because of back problems.

Several of my first cousins are nurses.

It is not an easy job.

The current situation drives me very mad.

They deserve more.

David73

RacoonQueen wrote: »

People on social welfare have plenty of money to go on holidays and to go out drinking too, whats your point?

Nurses and Social welfare recipients are paid too much then!

RacoonQueen

David73 wrote: »

Nurses and Social welfare recipients are paid too much then!

So if people can afford to, God forbid, enjoy themselves every now and again, they get paid too much. Right. With you now.

David73

doolox wrote: »

...my accountant told me I can't.

Lucky I am fairly healthy.

Wifes a nurse

Mother was a nurse.

Sister was a nurse until she hurt her back. 75% of nurses have back problems.

My sister in law was a nurse and cannot do it anymore because of back problems.

Several of my first cousins are nurses.

It is not an easy job.

The current situation drives me very mad.

They deserve more.

Conflict of interest.

Argument voided!

Martina1991

feckthisgenie wrote:

They want pay parity as physio, OT etc which is 52-53k basic pay. Physiotherapists get paid extra for wkd work, every person in whatever discipline get extra for unsociable hours. So I think a nurse is entitled to the same basic pay as a "basic grade" OT or physiotherapist

Nurses also get allowences, their post grad qualifications are paid for and they have far more opportunities for promotions. Other professions don't.

If nurses get the same salaries as physios and OTs then they shouldn't get these extra benefits.

David73

RacoonQueen wrote: »

So if people can afford to, God forbid, enjoy themselves every now and again, they get paid too much. Right. With you now.

Not if you're protesting and crying that you're profession are on their knees in poverty and if you're on scoial welfare.

David73

Martina1991 wrote: »

Nurses also get allowences, their post grad qualifications are paid for and they have far more opportunities for promotions. Other professions don't.

If nurses get the same salaries as physios and OTs then they shouldn't get these extra benefits.

If nurses get the same pay as physios and OT's that'll be a total mockery and an insult to the physios and OT's

RacoonQueen

David73 wrote: »

Not if you're protesting and crying that you're profession are on their knees in poverty and if you're on scoial welfare.

The dispute is not only about pay though. It is also about staff shortages and poor working conditions.
I'm not entirely sure I agree they need to be paid more (indeed I think physios etc probably start on far too high a wage) but they do need better working conditions.
Of course some nurses have it easier than others, it is a hugely diverse role. One ward can not be compared to another. Some may not be overworked at all whilst others are vastly overworked to a degree that it is to the detriment of patient care.

feckthisgenie

Martina1991 wrote: »

Nurses also get allowences, their post grad qualifications are paid for and they have far more opportunities for promotions. Other professions don't.

If nurses get the same salaries as physios and OTs then they shouldn't get these extra benefits.

Yes they do
Senior grade
Clinical specialists
OT or PT Managers
And other managerial jobs with the HSE

So if they get pay parity you think they should work wkds for flat rate?? You joking right??

Martina1991

There are also far fewer physio, OTs, radiogtaphers etc etc than there are nurses. Their pay needs to be attractive to ensure people choose these professions.

If there was ~3,000 radiographers in ireland and there was a nation wide shortage, their pay might be increased and entice more people to choose this profession.
There are ?80,000 nurses in ireland. For every nurse to get a 12% increase this would be a much larger draw on the health service funds.

David73

The problem with nurses is one of a psychological issue.

My sister is a nurse and the amount of ****e she thinks she knows but actually doesn't is chronic, she tells me stuff that I later reliably research and find she's incorrect.

Because the majority of nurses are female, they are infested daily by of cesspit of bitchiness. Coupled with the fact they work with Doctors, they suffer major inferiority issues.

This then manifests into them thinking they are the greatest and so undervalued. Wha! Wha! Wha!

A Shropshire Lad

If people want change they have to demonstate that. No pointing moaning about the state of the country and then electing the same clowns to run it every 5 years !

alloywheel

David73 wrote: »

The problem with nurses is one of a psychological issue.

My sister is a nurse and the amount of ****e she thinks she knows but actually doesn't is chronic, she tells me stuff that I later reliably research and find she's incorrect.

Because the majority of nurses are female, they are infested daily by of cesspit of bitchiness. Coupled with the fact they work with Doctors, they suffer major inferiority issues.

This then manifests into them thinking they are the greatest and so undervalued. Wha! Wha! Wha!

No surprise the absenteeism rate is so high in our HSE too ( not far off 5%) , much higher than in the NHS (less than 3.5% ).
In the private sector absenteeism is less again.

hawkelady

David73 wrote: »

The problem with nurses is one of a psychological issue.

My sister is a nurse and the amount of ****e she thinks she knows but actually doesn't is chronic, she tells me stuff that I later reliably research and find she's incorrect.

Because the majority of nurses are female, they are infested daily by of cesspit of bitchiness. Coupled with the fact they work with Doctors, they suffer major inferiority issues.

This then manifests into them thinking they are the greatest and so undervalued. Wha! Wha! Wha!

Jesus Christ. This thread went downhill ever since you stumbled into it. Please do the majority of folk here who want to discuss the topic a favor , and slither back under your slimy rock

Also, it shows how pathetic you are if you can’t have a chat with a sibling without going off and googling what they said to see if it’s right !! You really need the help of a few PNA’s ...

Wheeliebin30

A Shropshire Lad wrote: »

If people want change they have to demonstate that. No pointing moaning about the state of the country and then electing the same clowns to run it every 5 years !

Who would you elect?

wonski

alloywheel wrote: »

No surprise the absenteeism rate is so high in our HSE too ( not far off 5%) , much higher than in the NHS (less than 3.5% ).
In the private sector absenteeism is less again.

The absenteeism would be higher in private sector if it was paid for.

Nothing to do with the nurses or the hse. Let's call it human nature

David73

hawkelady wrote: »

Jesus Christ. This thread went downhill ever since you stumbled into it. Please do the majority of folk here who want to discuss the topic a favor , and slither back under your slimy rock

I reported your comment for being abusive and uncivil.

If you cannot argue with reality or my experiences then don't turn to abuse!

feckthisgenie

Martina1991 wrote: »

There are also far fewer physio, OTs, radiogtaphers etc etc than there are nurses. Their pay needs to be attractive to ensure people choose these professions.

If there was ~3,000 radiographers in ireland and there was a nation wide shortage, their pay might be increased and entice more people to choose this profession.
There are ?40,000 nurses in ireland. For every nurse to get a 12% increase this would be a much larger draw on the health service funds.

Yes and hence the resistance by government. It's easier to give increase to professions were the numbers are small. The wage bill would be massive with a 12 %. I think nurses will get their increase but not 12% . Maybe 6-8%

Martina1991

feckthisgenie wrote:

Yes they do Senior grade Clinical specialists OT or PT Managers And other managerial jobs with the HSE

feckthisgenie wrote:

So if they get pay parity you think they should work wkds for flat rate?? You joking right??

I didnt say there was no opportunity for promotion in other positions, i said there are fewer opportunities for promotion.
I never mentioned weekends. The allowances for doing post grads and working in certain wards. These are extra earnings that other professions do not have.

feckthisgenie

David73 wrote: »

I reported your comment for being abusive and uncivil.

If you cannot argue with reality or my experiences then don't turn to abuse!

I think your a boll*x to David, probably several more on here think it as well
Go on report me

feckthisgenie

Martina1991 wrote: »

I didnt say there was no opportunity for promotion in other positions, i said there are fewer opportunities for promotion.
I never mentioned weekends. The allowances for doing post grads and working in certain wards. These are extra earnings that other professions do not have.

So tell me all the opportunity for nurses for promotion?

Twenty Grand

David73 wrote: »

The problem with nurses is one of a psychological issue.

My sister is a nurse and the amount of ****e she thinks she knows but actually doesn't is chronic, she tells me stuff that I later reliably research and find she's incorrect.

Because the majority of nurses are female, they are infested daily by of cesspit of bitchiness. Coupled with the fact they work with Doctors, they suffer major inferiority issues.

This then manifests into them thinking they are the greatest and so undervalued. Wha! Wha! Wha!

David73 wrote: »

Conflict of interest.

Argument voided!

Ah a hypocrite.

Now it all makes sense..
If one poster can't have an opinion because he's related to a nurse then neither can you my friend.

David73

feckthisgenie wrote: »

I think your a boll*x to David, probably several more on here think it as well
Go on report me

Reported

David73

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Ah a hypocrite.

Now it all makes sense..
If one poster can't have an opinion because he's related to a nurse then neither can you my friend.

I don't agree with the nurses pay strike, which makes my point even more valid

feckthisgenie

David73 wrote: »

Reported

Dry your eyes you sad individual

daithi7

Oh ffs :
1. How much are the nurses already getting in pay rises under the very generous public sector pay deal?

2. And how much more on average are Irish nurses paid more than their equivalents in the NHS?? (& other similar cost of living countries)

3. If the nurses are paid more, will not every other public and civil servant expect similarly over generous pay rises??? (ahead of inflation, cpi & asset (house) prices)

When someone can give me satisfactory answers to these simple queries, I remain to be totally unconvinced of the worthiness of the nurses (union's) claims....

They are bogus!!

David73

daithi7 wrote: »

Oh ffs :
1. How much are the nurses already getting in pay rises under the very generous public sector pay deal?

2. And how much more on average are Irish nurses paid more than their equivalents in the NHS?? (& other similar cost of living countries)

3. If the nurses are paid more, will not every other public and civil servant expect similarly over generous pay rises??? (ahead of inflation, cpi & asset (house) prices)

When someone can give me satisfactory answers to these simple queries, I remain to be totally unconvinced of the worthiness of the nurses (union's) claims....

They are bogus!!

Well said!

daithi7

This strike seems to a case of ad public sector union whipping their members into a frenzy about pay & conditions. Then trying to conflate this flagrant attempt at an out of deal pay rise with patient safety issues....abs insisting on overly aggressive industrial action to test a minority government.


Except the government cleverly showed the unions to be completely disingenuous by agreeing to discuss all the non pay issues... ... Except of course this was not enough for the unions to call off their strikes, cos of course the patients were only ever a pawn in the game of bluff in the first place.

The nursing unions should be told to shove it where the sun don't shine imho.

alloywheel

daithi7 wrote: »

Oh ffs :
2. And how much more on average are Irish nurses paid more than their equivalents in the NHS?? (& other similar cost of living countries)

As shown earlier, the basic pay of a nurse at the top of the HSE staff nurse scale is 39% higher than a nurse at the top of the NHS England Band 5 scale. And it states a new entrant nurse in Ireland earns 21% more in basic pay than a new entrant in England.