Surviving R.Kelly Docu-series

siobhan08

I've recently watched the Surviving R.Kelly docu-series that was broadcast over the weekend on Lifetime in America. I was shocked and disgusted by everything in the 6 episodes, I can PM the links for those of you who want to watch.

I was born in the early 90's so that would be the reason why I didn't hear about them at the time, just so surprised that he seems to have flown under the radar for so long when it seems like rumours about the allegations were common in the latter half of the 90's in hometown of Chicago and America in general.

Can anybody remember if the rumours of the allegations were known this side of the pond back in the late 90's and early noughties?

I applaud those who survived his music.

siobhan08

Deleted User wrote: »

I applaud those who survived his music.

I was actually a fan of his music, all his tracks were quickly deleted from my iTunes after watching this series

siobhan08

sugarman wrote: »

No, we didnt have the internet in Ireland or access to MTV or E! or any other print media :rolleyes:

Yes I'm well aware of that but we still had newspapers and music magazines etc where some of the rumours circulated in the States at that time.

Realtai

I read something online before that R. Kelly had a load of women tending to his every needs, like some sort of cult. Not sure whether that's an exaggeration or not. I would be interested in a link to the documentary OP, thanks.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Well he does like sticking keys in ignitions

Outlaw Pete

siobhan08 wrote: »

Can anybody remember if the rumours of the allegations were known this side of the pond back in the late 90's and early noughties?

Dave Chappelle's 'How old is 15, really?' was the first time I remember becoming aware of the allegations.

ceadaoin.

siobhan08 wrote: »

Yes I'm well aware of that but we still had newspapers and music magazines etc where some of the rumours circulated in the States at that time.

Yes of course. This has been known for years. Sure he "married" Aaliyah when she was underage. A video came out of him urinating on a minor in the early 2000s. That's when the rumours first hit the mainstream, even in ireland. Ever since then every time I hear one of his songs on the radio, after I immediately switch it off, I wonder how he's been getting away with it.

The sex cult thing I've been reading about online for a few years now. Glad that something is finally being done. Mind boggling that he is still touring and people are still paying money to see this dirtbag. By all accounts he uses the shows to go to different cities to recruit young girls. Disgusting behaviour.

WinnyThePoo

Didn't he do a musical?

Richard Hillman

Tip of the iceberg. Rappers have spotters to mark out girls in the crowd to get them backstage. God knows what goes on with the rappers and their hangers on. If any of them complained about anything non consensual, they would be social outcasts.



In other creepy rapper related stories:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/drake-millie-bobby-brown-texts-emmy-awards-stranger-things-a8545046.html

Harry Palmr

Sounds like Led Zep in the 70s. Only with much worse music obviously.

Ursus Horribilis

I can't remember when stories started to come out about him but it is quite a while ago. There was a sex video I think, and that underage relationship with Aaliyah. Admittedly I don't follow the top 40 these days but I thought he had stopped selling many records years ago

siobhan08

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Dave Chappelle's 'How old is 15, really?' was the first time I remember becoming aware of the allegations.

Yes, I had heard the rumours of R.Kelly and Aaliyah before, I was shocked watching the documentary to find out that they actually got married in 1994 when R.Kelly was 27 and Aaliyah was 15. One of R.Kelly's staff members admitted in the documentary that he had documents forged to show Aaliyah's age as 18, Like WTF???

DontThankMe

Richard Hillman wrote: »

In other creepy rapper related stories:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/drake-millie-bobby-brown-texts-emmy-awards-stranger-things-a8545046.html

There's nothing wrong with what Drake is doing people just love to get outraged at anything and everything.

ceadaoin.

DontThankMe wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with what Drake is doing people just love to get outraged at anything and everything.

Oh it's you again, defending inappropriate at best and at worst, creepy grooming behaviour. Colour me shocked.

DontThankMe

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Oh it's you again defending creepy grooming behaviour. Colour me shocked

So every friendship between an adult and a minor is considered grooming now? News to me.

afkasurfjunkie

DontThankMe wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with what Drake is doing people just love to get outraged at anything and everything.

That’s probably what was said about R Kelly back in the day too.

Ipso

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Sounds like Led Zep in the 70s. Only with much worse music obviously.

And no shark!

saintsaltynuts

derty bastid he was.

ceadaoin.

DontThankMe wrote: »

So every friendship between an adult and a minor is considered grooming now? News to me.

A 30+ year old texting a 14 year old about "boys", how much they miss each other and setting themselves up as a great "friend" to them is highly inappropriate and textbook grooming. Get a grip. If you are a genuine poster you are an extremely creepy individual.

siobhan08

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yes of course. This has been known for years. Sure he "married" Aaliyah when she was underage. A video came out of him urinating on a minor in the early 2000s. That's when the rumours first hit the mainstream, even in ireland. Ever since then every time I hear one of his songs on the radio, after I immediately switch it off, I wonder how he's been getting away with it.

The sex cult thing I've been reading about online for a few years now. Glad that something is finally being done. Mind boggling that he is still touring and people are still paying money to see this dirtbag. By all accounts, he uses the shows to go to different cities to recruit young girls. Disgusting behaviour.

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I can't remember when stories started to come out about him but it is quite a while ago. There was a sex video I think, and that underage relationship with Aaliyah. Admittedly I don't follow the top 40 these days but I thought he had stopped selling many records years ago

Yes, the sex tape is what brought about his trial on child pornography charges. Baffles me how he managed to be found not guilty on that one when so many witnesses identified him and the 14-year-old as the individuals in the video. By all accounts, he was acquitted because the girl and her family refused to co-operate so there was technically no victim.

Yes, I can't believe he is still being supported by people listening to his music and buying concert tickets for his concerts, particularly from the black community when it is young black women he has been abusing for two decades

Uncharted

DontThankMe wrote: »

So every friendship between an adult and a minor is considered grooming now? News to me.

You certainly do have form.



I'll give you that.

batistuta9

Realtai wrote: »

I read something online before that R. Kelly had a load of women tending to his every needs, like some sort of cult. Not sure whether that's an exaggeration or not. I would be interested in a link to the documentary OP, thanks.

You sure you didn't see it before? R Kelly: sex, girls & videotapes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p060m6qx

Covers the sex slave thing. Girls basically live with him & he has them trained to what he likes etc. Young but not underage.
No real contact with there families

A video of him & underage girl which I think went to court, he tried to get his brother to take the blame.

Shows his old school/neighborhood in Chicago where he'd hang around picking up school girls.
This was common knowledge in the area.

The marriage to the 15 year old

siobhan08

Realtai wrote: »

I read something online before that R. Kelly had a load of women tending to his every needs, like some sort of cult. Not sure whether that's an exaggeration or not. I would be interested in a link to the documentary OP, thanks.

Just sent you a PM

DontThankMe

ceadaoin. wrote: »

A 30+ year old texting a 14 year old about "boys", how much they miss each other and setting themselves up as a great "friend" to them is highly inappropriate and textbook grooming. Get a grip. If you are a genuine poster you are an extremely creepy individual.

Maybe he's just giving her advice that she can't get from anyone else. Your claim that it is textbook grooming is complete nonsense too.

Muppet Man

siobhan08 wrote: »

I was actually a fan of his music, all his tracks were quickly deleted from my iTunes after watching this series

Genuine question... Does knowing who the man is make his music less good overnight? Or is it a point of principle?

Coz I happen to think "I believe I can fly" isn't a bad tune. The fact that the singer is a peado doesn't change my view of the song.

On that basis, you can delete anything by Jerry Lee Lewis ("great balls of fire"), whose third wife was his cousin and possibly as young as 13 by some reports (15 by others... But still.... incestuous Peadophilia...)

And the brilliant elvis who at 25 was "dating" priscilla aged just 14 (she married him at 18)

Obviously there are degrees of awfulness involved here and in no way would I condone R Kelly, but my point is, I can separate the music from the controversy.

(FTR, "I believe I can fly" is the only R Kelly song I would know)

Muppet man

ceadaoin.

DontThankMe wrote: »

Maybe he's just giving her advice that she can't get from anyone else. Your claim that it is textbook grooming is complete nonsense too.

Yes I'm sure there is literally no one else that could give a 14 year old girl advice about "boys" than a 31 year old man.

It's not nonsense and I don't really care what a person with views such as yourself thinks about child protection. You clearly haven't a clue, and that's being generous

James Brown

siobhan08 wrote: »

I've recently watched the Surviving R.Kelly docu-series that was broadcast over the weekend on Lifetime in America. I was shocked and disgusted by everything in the 6 episodes, I can PM the links for those of you who want to watch.

I was born in the early 90's so that would be the reason why I didn't hear about them at the time, just so surprised that he seems to have flown under the radar for so long when it seems like rumours about the allegations were common in the latter half of the 90's in hometown of Chicago and America in general.

Can anybody remember if the rumours of the allegations were known this side of the pond back in the late 90's and early noughties?

Yes. Allayah died in 2001, (just googled). She was 14 or 15 when he mentored her. Then there was the video of him with that 14 year old. This was before broadband and certainly in the 90's. All of these things were common knowledge, but he released 'I believe I can fly' and it was forgotten about. And that was '96, so yeah.

I get what you're saying about deleting. It's a personal choice. Hard to give up the Michael Jackson stuff...John Denver use to beat his wife as did Glen Campbell. Bing Crosby use to beat his kids. Daniel O'Donnell sounds like Daniel O'Donnell, I could go on.

siobhan08

Muppet Man wrote: »

Genuine question... Does knowing who the man is make his music less good overnight? Or is it a point of principle?

Coz I happen to think "I believe I can fly" isn't a bad tune. The fact that the singer is a peado doesn't change my view of the song.

On that basis, you can delete anything by Jerry Lee Lewis ("great balls of fire"), whose third wife was his cousin and possibly as young as 13 by some reports (15 by others... But still.... incestuous Peadophilia...)

And the brilliant elvis who at 25 was "dating" priscilla aged just 14 (she married him at 18)

Obviously there are degrees of awfulness involved here and in no way would I condone R Kelly, but my point is, I can separate the music from the controversy.

(FTR, "I believe I can fly" is the only R Kelly song I would know)

Muppet man

I love I Believe I Can Fly when I was little as Space Jam was one of my favourite movies. It's a point of principal at this point, those people who are still buying his music and buying tickets to his concerts are lining his pockets with money that allows him to live the lifestyle he does, which kinda facilitates him in being able to do what he does to women. If wasn't living the lifestyle he does he wouldn't the access to people that he does.

Like I've not listened to a Chris Brown song since he beat the crap out of Rihanna, I'm not supporting an individual with my money who beats his girlfriend

Ipso

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Yes. Allayah died in 2001, (just googled). She was 14 or 15 when he mentored her. Then there was the video of him with that 14 year old. This was before broadband and certainly in the 90's. All of these things were common knowledge, but he released 'I believe I can fly' and it was forgotten about. And that was '96, so yeah.

I get what you're saying about deleting. It's a personal choice. Hard to give up the Michael Jackson stuff...John Denver use to beat his wife as did Glen Campbell. Bing Crosby use to beat his kids. Daniel O'Donnell sounds like Daniel O'Donnell, I could go on.

Wasn't Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones fond of beating women, and I'm sure they never asked for a birth cert from the groupies.

by_the_book

Muppet Man wrote: »

Genuine question...

And the brilliant elvis who at 25 was "dating" priscilla aged just 14 (she married him at 18)

Muppet man

She was actually 21 (turned 22 a few weeks later) when they got married.

But yeah "dating" her at 14 was creepy

RWCNT

DontThankMe wrote: »

So every friendship between an adult and a minor is considered grooming now? News to me.

How many children that you're not related to are you friends with, out of interest?

Spleerbun

Muppet Man wrote: »

Genuine question... Does knowing who the man is make his music less good overnight? Or is it a point of principle?

Coz I happen to think "I believe I can fly" isn't a bad tune. The fact that the singer is a peado doesn't change my view of the song.

On that basis, you can delete anything by Jerry Lee Lewis ("great balls of fire"), whose third wife was his cousin and possibly as young as 13 by some reports (15 by others... But still.... incestuous Peadophilia...)

And the brilliant elvis who at 25 was "dating" priscilla aged just 14 (she married him at 18)

Obviously there are degrees of awfulness involved here and in no way would I condone R Kelly, but my point is, I can separate the music from the controversy.

(FTR, "I believe I can fly" is the only R Kelly song I would know)

Muppet man

Was just going to post something along these lines. Actually had this discussion with some friends not too long ago. Someone doing bad things doesn't make any difference to what a song sounds like, I wouldn't deprive myself of a song I liked because the artists has a bad character.

Timberrrrrrrr

sugarman wrote: »

Forget Brian Jones, Bill Wyman (their former Bassist) started a relationship with a 13 year old when he was 47! They married when she turned 18 and shortly after their divorce she admitted theyd been in a sexual relationship all that time.

Patsy kensit?

oneilla

siobhan08 wrote: »

I love I Believe I Can Fly when I was little as Space Jam was one of my favourite movies. It's a point of principal at this point, those people who are still buying his music and buying tickets to his concerts are lining his pockets with money that allows him to live the lifestyle he does, which kinda facilitates him in being able to do what he does to women. If wasn't living the lifestyle he does he wouldn't the access to people that he does.

Like I've not listened to a Chris Brown song since he beat the crap out of Rihanna, I'm not supporting an individual with my money who beats his girlfriend

It has been known for some time that many male musicians were hanging around with underage girls. See below:

Decades before Drake dissed Tyga for dating 17-year-old Kylie Jenner, and R. Kelly faced multiple allegations of having sex with minors, the most visible rock stars in the world blithely made it with girls who were barely out of junior high school. It was all glorified in the pages of a glossy magazine called Star, which reveled in the underage groupie scene for five issues. Other publications, such as the rock ‘n’ roll bible Creem, flicked at the Sunset Strip doings without so much as a wagged finger. Hell, in 1973, a leisure-suited Tom Snyder devoted an entire show to interviews with some of LA’s highly desired teenage groupies.

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie

And, before Chris Brown & Rihanna there was for example Phil Spector & Ronnie Spector.

ceadaoin.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Patsy kensit?

Mandy Smith I think her name was

Ipso

sugarman wrote: »

Forget Brian Jones, Bill Wyman (their former Bassist) started a relationship with a 13 year old when he was 47! They married when she turned 18 and shortly after their divorce she admitted theyd been in a sexual relationship all that time.

Jimmy Page had a similar set up.

DontThankMe

RWCNT wrote: »

How many children that you're not related to are you friends with, out of interest?

I have no friends.

ceadaoin.

Steven Tyler from Aerosmith too. He pretty much bought a teenager off her parents and got them to sign away parental rights and then abandoned her after pressuring her into an abortion. Not that I'd have any of their music but turned me right off him.

The behaviour of 70s/80s rock stars was shocking.

Love2love

I've watched a couple of the episodes. Harrowing to say the least. So so many girls. He hung out at high school recruiting young girls, long before he made it big. I made the decision to never listen to his music again but my god I can't get the songs out of my head since!

Guy:Incognito

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I applaud those who survived his music.

His parody stuff is good though https://youtu.be/zFosUj6A22c

Ursus Horribilis

The late John Peel married a 15 year old back in the 70s and had a relationship with an underage girl in the UK.

Fann Linn

Muppet Man wrote: »

Genuine question... Does knowing who the man is make his music less good overnight? Or is it a point of principle?

Coz I happen to think "I believe I can fly" isn't a bad tune. The fact that the singer is a peado doesn't change my view of the song.

On that basis, you can delete anything by Jerry Lee Lewis ("great balls of fire"), whose third wife was his cousin and possibly as young as 13 by some reports (15 by others... But still.... incestuous Peadophilia...)

And the brilliant elvis who at 25 was "dating" priscilla aged just 14 (she married him at 18)

Obviously there are degrees of awfulness involved here and in no way would I condone R Kelly, but my point is, I can separate the music from the controversy.

(FTR, "I believe I can fly" is the only R Kelly song I would know)

Muppet man

Good point and I feel the same way about Kevin Spacey. An excellent actor who made some brilliant movies.

Sonic Youth

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Steven Tyler from Aerosmith too. He pretty much bought a teenager off her parents and got them to sign away parental rights and then abandoned her after pressuring her into an abortion. Not that I'd have any of their music but turned me right off him.

The behaviour of 70s/80s rock stars was shocking.

Apparently Jimmy Page would whip his 14 year old gf while dressed in a SS uniform.

pleas advice

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Steven Tyler from Aerosmith too. He pretty much bought a teenager off her parents and got them to sign away parental rights and then abandoned her after pressuring her into an abortion. Not that I'd have any of their music but turned me right off him.

The behaviour of 70s/80s rock stars was shocking.

It started with a little kiss

The Crowman

siobhan08 wrote: »

I've recently watched the Surviving R.Kelly docu-series that was broadcast over the weekend on Lifetime in America. I was shocked and disgusted by everything in the 6 episodes, I can PM the links for those of you who want to watch.

I was born in the early 90's so that would be the reason why I didn't hear about them at the time, just so surprised that he seems to have flown under the radar for so long when it seems like rumours about the allegations were common in the latter half of the 90's in hometown of Chicago and America in general.

Can anybody remember if the rumours of the allegations were known this side of the pond back in the late 90's and early noughties?

The sex tape with an underage girl story broke in 2002 and was heavily covered at the time in the media.

Pac1Man

Didn't he have kidney issues?

retro:electro

ceadaoin. wrote: »

A 30+ year old texting a 14 year old about "boys", how much they miss each other and setting themselves up as a great "friend" to them is highly inappropriate and textbook grooming. Get a grip. If you are a genuine poster you are an extremely creepy individual.

I wouldn’t bother. That poster has referred to themselves as a creep on another thread and by all accounts seems to be into weird shlt

AskMeBollix

Don't get me started on R Kelly,


he response to this thread

"I'm like so what I'm drunk
It's the freakin' weekend baby
I'm about to have me some fun"

vladmydad

Perversion is widespread in the entertainment industry, that’s why it makes me sick that our society idolizes celebrities.

Hoboo

Few names being mentioned above. David Bowie was another one, yet people still idolise him. Amount of times I've heard the line 'things were different then' when you mention his 14 year old gf (and her friend) when he was in his late 20's. He was a nonce, end of.