Liberals who aren't liberal

Danzy

Brian? wrote: »

Right economically but socially anti authoritarian. That’s what it used to mean.

Big changes there.

SEPT 23 1989

Brian? wrote: »

Right economically but socially anti authoritarian. That’s what it used to mean.

Socially anti authoritarian

Full circle

Paradise lost

Brian?

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Socially anti authoritarian

Full circle

Paradise lost

No. People just keep calling other people “liberals” without understanding what it means.

If someone isn’t socially anti authoritarian they can’t actually be a liberal. Its pretty much that simple.

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riffmongous wrote: »

Actuality you know what to me liberal means right wing, just not conservative

Liberal is centre right and centre left. Far left is Stalin, Pol Pot and Ceausescu and far right is Hitler, Gilead (both real and The Handmaid's Tale versions!!!) and ISIS.

1641

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Liberal is centre right and centre left. Far left is Stalin, Pol Pot and Ceausescu and far right is Hitler, Gilead (both real and The Handmaid's Tale versions!!!) and ISIS.

You forget what was probably the biggest mass murderer of them all - Mao.

El_Duderino 09

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Liberal is centre right and centre left. Far left is Stalin, Pol Pot and Ceausescu and far right is Hitler, Gilead (both real and The Handmaid's Tale versions!!!) and ISIS.

Ah, that ignores libertarians who want people to be free from government interference. So for example they would oppose mandatory seat belts because you should be free to choose whether to take the risk of wearing a seat belt (nanny state etc.)

And the free market libertarians (neo-liberals) who want no government Interference in business. No interference in workers pay and conditions so Pay people as little as you can, no unions and no environmental regulations for example.

They're both very much in the liberal camp. But for obvious reasons, in America, libertarians run for president amongst the republicans. Ron Paul for example.

Republicans are socially conservative but liberal when it comes to health care, business regulations and conditions for workers.

It's more complicated than left/right.

Brian?

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Liberal is centre right and centre left. Far left is Stalin, Pol Pot and Ceausescu and far right is Hitler, Gilead (both real and The Handmaid's Tale versions!!!) and ISIS.

You’ve only named the authoritarian far left and far right.

There’s the anarchists and libertarian socialists on the left who are completely against any form of centralised government. A small minority of the left but they exist. Some are even pacifists.

Likewise on the right, you have anarcho capitalists who also want a stateless society, or as small a government as absolutely possible. Again, some are pacifists.

So left/right doesn’t actually cover everyone, particularly at the fringes.

Grayson

Brian? wrote: »

No. People just keep calling other people “liberals” without understanding what it means.

If someone isn’t socially anti authoritarian they can’t actually be a liberal. Its pretty much that simple.

The problem is that people mix up the meaning of socially liberal and economically liberal. And it's the fault of US politics and the people who buy into that crap. They created this boogie man liberal who is trying to tell people what they can and can't do.

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El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah, that ignores libertarians who want people to be free from government interference. So for example they would oppose mandatory seat belts because you should be free to choose whether to take the risk of wearing a seat belt (nanny state etc.)

And the free market libertarians (neo-liberals) who want no government Interference in business. No interference in workers pay and conditions so Pay people as little as you can, no unions and no environmental regulations for example.

They're both very much in the liberal camp. But for obvious reasons, in America, libertarians run for president amongst the republicans. Ron Paul for example.

Republicans are socially conservative but liberal when it comes to health care, business regulations and conditions for workers.

It's more complicated than left/right.

This is it exactly. People tend to focus on issues and can be liberal on one front and not so much on the other. A recent example are these pro-life anti abortion types in America who now face the decision on the death penalty and many have concluded they are opposed to it because it is not pro-life.

normanoffside

Talking about Liberals who are not liberal. I see Kittie Holland made a fool of herself on Twitter the other day. She labelled someone a ‘Terf’ and a Transphobe before being told she was actually a Transgender woman.

Mad_maxx

normanoffside wrote: »

Talking about Liberals who are not liberal. I see Kittie Holland made a fool of herself on Twitter the other day. She labelled someone a ‘Terf’ and a Transphobe before being told she was actually a Transgender woman.

Kitty Holland is a communist

James Brown

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This is it exactly. People tend to focus on issues and can be liberal on one front and not so much on the other. A recent example are these pro-life anti abortion types in America who now face the decision on the death penalty and many have concluded they are opposed to it because it is not pro-life.

That's it though. People are complex. You can be all for gay rights and racist it doesn't mean the whole LGBQT movement is hypocritical. Mitch McConnell swears allegiance to the flag but hates the American public, complex.

Brian?

normanoffside wrote: »

Talking about Liberals who are not liberal. I see Kittie Holland made a fool of herself on Twitter the other day. She labelled someone a ‘Terf’ and a Transphobe before being told she was actually a Transgender woman.

How do you know she’s a liberal?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Brian? wrote: »

How do you know she’s a liberal?

A liberal what...?

Danzy

normanoffside wrote: »

Talking about Liberals who are not liberal. I see Kittie Holland made a fool of herself on Twitter the other day. She labelled someone a ‘Terf’ and a Transphobe before being told she was actually a Transgender woman.

Anyone who has ever used the term Terf, as serious word is going to be a massive knob head.

Regardless of their politics.

normanoffside

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Kitty Holland is a communist

Brian? wrote: »

How do you know she’s a liberal?

Well she didn’t get this ‘woke’ stuff from the Communist Manifesto anyway.