Almost every position the left has, is actually just an attack on Christian beliefs?

skooterblue2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i think you can call mathematics and algebra more than a little contribution. We would be fecked without it.

yeah but what have they done lately? .....SFA.
Anything they build is done with Western Technology.
Any business is supported by Western IT.
Their Empire is build by slaves from the east and Serfs from the west.

skooterblue2

Victor wrote: »

Mark 10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.

That is actually a misquote:
The actual quote is: It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of THE needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.

The eye of the needle is a passage into Jerusalem about 4 feet wide. It is possible for the camel to enter through the eye of the needle but he would have to unload all his possessions. That is the correct version, have it from a Jesuit priest.

Wibbs

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The eye of the needle is a passage into Jerusalem about 4 feet wide. It is possible for the camel to enter through the eye of the needle but he would have to unload all his possessions. That is the correct version, have it from a Jesuit priest.

Well.... Though it had some popularity as an explanation, there's no evidence of any gate into Jerusalem with that name or description.

Another theory is that it's a mistranslation of the Greek. IE Kamillos(sp) sounds very similar to the Greek for camel but it was referring to a similar word for rope. Rope through the eye of a needle.

Which sounds more plausible only the Jewish Talmud and other early Persian texts also use the "camel through the eye of a needle", as does the later Quran. It seems to have been a long standing meme for the impossible in that part of the world.

DEFTLEFTHAND

nthclare wrote: »

I'm a right Pagan myself....

Christmas has enough room for everyone, Christians Pagans and others.

I find the pagan aspect of it more warming and fits in better than the Christian side of it.

After all the Pagans celebrated the time of year way before the Christians did before.

One of my best friends is a man of the cloth,we slag each other off about our theological beliefs frequently enough

Tbh I don't really understand why non Christians or Pagans celebrate it.

It's quite bizarre in many respects.

Triceratops Ballet

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

Tbh I don't really understand why non Christians or Pagans celebrate it.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

It's quite bizarre in many respects.

It's not at all humans have had celebrations at this time of year since long before Christianity got involved. Judaism and Hinduism also have their festival of light at this time of year so the tradition is by no means exclusive to Christianity. I celebrate Christmas but the only connection to Christ is in the name, it's a purely secular and cultural thing for me, we have no crib, no mass, no prayers. It's a time for feasting, resting and pretty lights!

RobbieTheRobber

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Tbh I don't really understand why non Christians or Pagans celebrate it.

It's quite bizarre in many respects.

You don't know why the winter solstice would be a time of celebration? Really?

dr.fuzzenstein

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Tbh I don't really understand why non Christians or Pagans celebrate it.

It's quite bizarre in many respects.

Why would that be? It's the turning point of the year, it has always been celebrated. Christianity came quite late to that particular party.

Try_harder

No so deft it seems...

tomofson

Then we have this being promoted by mainstream media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxdvOLdG_34

An audience of sub humans actually clapped and cheered for this.

Try_harder

tomofson wrote: »

Then we have this being promoted by mainstream media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxdvOLdG_34

An audience of sub humans actually clapped and cheered for this.

If you are human, I'd gladly be subhuman!

tomofson

Try_harder wrote: »

If you are human, I'd gladly be subhuman!

You think it is okay for 10 and 11 year old boys to dress up in skimpy female outfits and be put on parade for a largely adult audience?

You are sick.

Even as a gay man you should have some major problems with that.

Triceratops Ballet

tomofson wrote:

You think it is okay for 10 and 11 year old boys to dress up in skimpy female outfits and be put on parade for a largely adult audience?

I clicked the link fully expecting to see some kind of weird child auction or something. The little boy has an interest in drag so what? some little boys have an interest in playing football (for a largely adult audience BTW) some are interested in scouts, some are interested in dancing this kid likes drag what's the problem? Let kids be their true selves if it's a phase they'll grow out of it.

Moghead

tomofson wrote: »

You think it is okay for 10 and 11 year old boys to dress up in skimpy female outfits and be put on parade for a largely adult audience?

You are sick.

Even as a gay man you should have some major problems with that.

Me thinks the pederast doth protest to much.

tomofson

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

I clicked the link fully expecting to see some kind of weird child auction or something. The little boy has an interest in drag so what? some little boys have an interest in playing football (for a largely adult audience BTW) some are interested in scouts, some are interested in dancing this kid likes drag what's the problem? Let kids be their true selves if it's a phase they'll grow out of it.

At least the vast majority of those commenting underneath have a serious problem with it, so there is some hope in humanity, even going by the thumbs up thumbs down ratio.

Triceratops Ballet

tomofson wrote:

At least the vast majority of those commenting underneath have a serious problem with it, so there is some hope in humanity, even going by the thumbs up thumbs down ratio.

You need to chill, what's it to you what that kids hobby is?

tomofson

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

You need to chill, what's it to you what that kids hobby is?

I really dont understand how you are not vomiting in your mouth right now after trying to justify that degeneracy.

It is plain wrong to sexualize a child, cant believe you dont get that.

Triceratops Ballet

tomofson wrote:

I really dont understand how you are not vomiting in your mouth right now after trying to justify that degeneracy.

tomofson wrote:

It is plain wrong to sexualize a child, cant believe you dont get that.

Would you be happy for him to be into drag if he was wearing age appropriate clothing?

tomofson

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Would you be happy for him to be into drag if he was wearing age appropriate clothing?

No, dressing a young boy like a girl is degenerate and deviant regardless.

Triceratops Ballet

tomofson wrote:

No, dressing a young boy like a girl is degenerate and deviant regardless.

Why?

tomofson

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Why?

What positives could possibly come from it?

Triceratops Ballet

tomofson wrote:

What positives could possibly come from it?

The child is happy? The child gets to be who they are?
What negatives are there?

Wibbs

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

I clicked the link fully expecting to see some kind of weird child auction or something. The little boy has an interest in drag so what? some little boys have an interest in playing football (for a largely adult audience BTW) some are interested in scouts, some are interested in dancing this kid likes drag what's the problem? Let kids be their true selves if it's a phase they'll grow out of it.

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

You need to chill, what's it to you what that kids hobby is?

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

The child is happy? The child gets to be who they are?
What negatives are there?

How a kid wants to dress or act around their families or kids their own age I'd be largely meh about, but let's switch it around, would you be perfectly fine with a 9 year old little girl swanning about in a hyper sexualised way in revealing clothes in front of an audience of adult men whopping and cheering? Yeah, forgive me if I don't believe that for a nanosecond..

Wibbs

PS don't google that poor kids name. Not unless you want to feel eye twitching fcuking rage at how a child is being exploited by degenerates in plain view and with the tacit, even overt approval of too bloody many. The same too bloody many who would rightfully be up in arms and calling the police if it were a little girl.

tomofson

Wibbs wrote: »

PS don't google that poor kids name. Not unless you want to feel eye twitching fcuking rage at how a child is being exploited by degenerates in plain view and with the tacit, even overt approval of too bloody many.

Just watching that video was enough for me.

Triceratops Ballet

Wibbs wrote:

How a kid wants to dress or act around their families or kids their own age I'd be largely meh about, but let's switch it around, would you be perfectly fine with a 9 year old little girl swanning about in a hyper sexualised way in revealing clothes in front of an audience of adult men whopping and cheering? Yeah, forgive me if I don't believe that for a nanosecond..

Yeah I agree that the performance aspect is problematic, on the one hand I think kids performances should be limited to local /school talent shows etc but on the other then should kids be able to perform on things like the mickey mouse club (or whatever the most recent incarnation of that is) ?The line is so blurry as to what is driven by kids and what is driven by their parents.

I only watched the start of the video, with the intro to the kid and on the face of it, if a kid likes to dress up and put makeup on and sing(or lip sync) and dance then I see nothing wrong with that.
Kids performing for the entertainment of adults at any level is questionable, but if its not OK for a little boy to do this because it's unconventional how is it OK for the likes of little Arianna Gande or Britney or the Olsen twins who were doing similar from a young age? I don't have the answer BTW. I don't know where or how the line gets drawn.

Wibbs

Like I said don't google if you value your temper control, but I dived in deep holding my nose for ye...

This child "performed" in a New York club, where adult men were handing him dollar bills as he pranced around and this event was publicised on social media, including the kids Instagram. That his parents and handlers and organisers were OK, even celebratory about all that is beyond fcuking degenerate and more than a bit concerning that is is in such plain sight.

FTA69

Wibbs wrote: »

Like I said don't google if you value your temper control, but I dived in deep holding my nose for ye...

This child "performed" in a New York club, where adult men were handing him dollar bills as he pranced around and this event was publicised on social media, including the kids Instagram. That his parents and handlers and organisers were OK, even celebratory about all that is beyond fcuking degenerate and more than a bit concerning that is is in such plain sight.

I saw this on Facebook yesterday and honestly thought it was satire. What is wrong with people? I honestly think the conflation between liberalism and socialism is the worst thing to have happened to the left in years.

Socialist politics used to revolve around community and raising the collective position of groups such as women etc via struggling as a united working class; now it has been substituted in many cases by competing "identities" reduced to raw individualism and dressed up as something radical that challenges the status quo when in reality it does anything but.

For instance Socialist women used to be against prostitution and the sexualisation of kids - now we have people lauding sex work as a liberating choice and sh*te like the video above. It's chronic.

nthclare

This thread is disturbingly getting creepy.

Wibbs

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

but if its not OK for a little boy to do this because it's unconventional how is it OK for the likes of little Arianna Gande or Britney or the Olsen twins who were doing similar from a young age? I don't have the answer BTW. I don't know where or how the line gets drawn.

IMHO it's not OK TB. Girl, boy, doesn't matter. The line I draw is Child doing dressing up games(which is natural for kids to want to do) in front of adults for their "entertainment"? Nope. And IMHO those parents and others making money from that kinda thing are repugnant degenerates who should be called on it and shunned.

Wibbs

FTA69 wrote: »

Socialist politics used to revolve around community and raising the collective position of groups such as women etc via struggling as a united working class; now it has been substituted in many cases by competing "identities" reduced to raw individualism and dressed up as something radical that challenges the status quo when in reality it does anything but.

For me it's less about identity politics FT, more about how it turned into victim politics.

Previously, even currently oppressed demographics came together to change hearts, minds and laws which is a very good thing, but problems can come along for the ride. One problem is when you build the machinery of revolution and the revolution is mostly won the machine sits there wondering what to do next. So in finding a new purpose the machine looks for any hint of criticism that may be targeted at the cause and becomes very sensitive to it, even to the point of ignoring questionable stuff, if it might hurt the cause.

Take this poor kid as an example. If it were a little girl dancing about half dressed taking money on a stage of an all male nightclub, the response would be instant and extremely negative. For a start girls tend to more protected in society and have a movement like feminism that would be ready to back up the the calls of WTF. But because it was a Gay nightclub, the same folks would be reticent to call it out for what it is because of the understandable to a fair extent fear of focusing negative attention on Gay folks in general and fear of being accused of homophobia. Even folks within the Gay community could be sensitive to that. That said a fair number of Gay guys who ended up in said club that night did express a serious level of WTF is this? Indeed I would say it's more likely those outside a community who would be most reticent to call it out.