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simongurnick

simongurnick wrote: »

I'm not disputing a bank shouldn't be repaid. My problem is with the manner this eviction was carried out. Trust me, someone in kbc is getting fired in the morning over this. P r nightmare.

It's poor pr but nobody's getting fired.

Everybody with a KBC loan now knows that KBC mean business when it comes to repayment.

Long term maybe they want to get that message out.

blueythebear

simongurnick wrote: »

I'm not disputing a bank shouldn't be repaid. My problem is with the manner this eviction was carried out. Trust me, someone in kbc is getting fired in the morning over this. P r nightmare.

Your references to reckless lending seem to suggest otherwise. I'm just saying reckless lending is no defence as someone else has mentioned, reckless borrowing took place to the same degree.

An eviction in a Bank, particularly in the current climate would have been planned to a tee so I doubt heads will roll in the bank in the morning. KBC knew the risks and they do have a PR sh*tstorm alright but I doubt anyone expected this to happen

simongurnick

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

It's poor pr but nobody's getting fired.

Everybody with a KBC loan now knows that KBC mean business when it comes to repayment.

Long term maybe they want to get that message out.

They are a bank. Not the mafia. Good luck with a customer experience strategy that involves scaring that **** out of your customers

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

wow

ok, i`ll need to go a step back for you. I`ll do it, but just for you.
The were lending irresponsibly, they would not have gone bust if they were lending responsibly. Their Irish arm were making a loss due to this.

They would not have needed a bailout if they lent responsibly. People wouldnt be being evicted if they had of lent responsibly.

Its not a great look, condescending to someone, but saying "had of".

Just for you and only for you mind, its 'had have' - or at a push - 'had've'

STB.

GarIT wrote: »

I'd be surprised if they suddenly burst in and started kicking the ****e out of anyone. Even if they did I'd be much less on their side but they're still in the right. If you're in a house that the high court have said is to be repossessed and you're putting up a fight about it you deserve what you get. Bring in that house was no different than being a burglar anywhere else.

That's a little different from what you said.

Nothing would surprise me and I can only go on what I have read in the newspapers.

You meanwhile are making unsubstantiated claims about the behaviour of a retired member of AGS who has made extensive statements to the media.

Regardless of what your own views are on acceptable behaviour for repossessions, I only mentioned the part about what you have claimed for your own good. Think before you type!

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the repossessions Dept in KBC tomorrow when they deal with the aftermath of how this went so wrong.

the_syco wrote: »

The people who got evicted claimed that there was no high court order produced. I'll take hat they say with a pinch of salt.
.

It was a quote I saw attributed to the retired Garda. I'm sure he saw many in his time.

“He made out this document was a court order. All I could see was KBC printing over it and small print.

“It was definitely not a court order because if you saw a court order you’d be able to see if it was a High Court order or a Circuit Court order, it’d be written on the top.

“There was no court order whatsoever. He wouldn’t expose it fully, he just gave us a small glimpse and then he closed it.

the_syco

the_syco wrote: »

The people who got evicted claimed that there was no high court order produced. I'll take hat they say with a pinch of salt.


Houses are needed, but people aren't paying their mortgages, and renters who don't pay rent take an age to evict. Thus banks will lend less, and landlords will leave the market. Leaving the market with less people buying houses, and less rooms to rent.

The mass demonstrations and riots will achieve nothing.

We need landlords to leave the market, home ownership rates are fluttering at record lows
https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/home-ownership-rate

Less lending means cheaper prices. Nobody gives a damn about a repo on an investment property - the more the merrier. Bring it on

simongurnick

blueythebear wrote: »

Your references to reckless lending seem to suggest otherwise. I'm just saying reckless lending is no defence as someone else has mentioned, reckless borrowing took place to the same degree.

An eviction in a Bank, particularly in the current climate would have been planned to a tee so I doubt heads will roll in the bank in the morning. KBC knew the risks and they do have a PR sh*tstorm alright but I doubt anyone expected this to happen

Planned to a tee? Looks like the complete opposite

Larbre34

Larbre34 wrote: »

Its not a great look, condescending to someone, but saying "had of".

Just for you and only for you mind, its 'had have' - or at a push - 'had've'

Do you feel better now?

blueythebear

simongurnick wrote: »

Planned to a tee? Looks like the complete opposite

25 security guys were reported as at the initial eviction with the Gardai blocking off local roads also. With the Sheriff and his bailiffs too. That's three groups coordinated to attend on the day. If that's not highly planned i don't know what is.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We need landlords to leave the market, home ownership rates are fluttering at record lows
https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/home-ownership-rate

Less lending means cheaper prices. Nobody gives a damn about a repo on an investment property - the more the merrier. Bring it on

You must be the only person in the country that has not heard of the shortage of rental accommodation right now.

GarIT

STB. wrote: »

That's a little different from what you said.

Nothing would surprise me and I can only go on what I have read in the newspapers.

You meanwhile are making unsubstantiated claims about the behaviour of a retired member of AGS who has made extensive statements to the media.

Regardless of what your own views are on acceptable behaviour for repossessions, I only mentioned the part about what you have claimed for your own good. Think before you type!

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the repossessions Dept in KBC tomorrow when they deal with the aftermath of how this went so wrong.




It was a quote I saw attributed to the retired Garda. I'm sure he saw many in his time.

“He made out this document was a court order. All I could see was KBC printing over it and small print.

“It was definitely not a court order because if you saw a court order you’d be able to see if it was a High Court order or a Circuit Court order, it’d be written on the top.

“There was no court order whatsoever. He wouldn’t expose it fully, he just gave us a small glimpse and then he closed it.

I wouldn't trust anyone staying in a house due to be repossessed.

donkeykong5

Was a kid in McDonalds a couple of years ago mouthing off about been so famous a kid of someone in KBC ?

STB.

GarIT wrote: »

I wouldn't trust anyone staying in a house due to be repossessed.

Thats not a licence to make unsubstantiated allegations, Gar.

Guy:Incognito

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Was a kid in McDonalds a couple of years ago mouthing off about been so famous a kid of someone in KBC ?

No.

One letter is the same though.

simongurnick

blueythebear wrote: »

25 security guys were reported as at the initial eviction with the Gardai blocking off local roads also. With the Sheriff and his bailiffs too. That's three groups coordinated to attend on the day. If that's not highly planned i don't know what is.

I don't mean the plan to remove them. I mean the banks plan to deal with the potential fall out which has now completely blown up in their face

ChikiChiki

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Was a kid in McDonalds a couple of years ago mouthing off about been so famous a kid of someone in KBC ?

No, she was mouthing off her dad is a partner in KPMG.

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you feel better now?

Did you?

end of the road

Omackeral wrote: »

end of the road how come you thank posts advocating vigilantism on this thread this but are categorically against it anywhere else on here.

because in most cases such tactics are unnecessary, and are often used for outcomes, which are not for the common good.
in this case however, such tactics while still illegal, and for which as we know, the law enforcement machinery of the state will have to do it's work as is obligated by the citizinary of the state, were used to send a message that the use of security firms, especially unregulated out of state security firms, to cary out evictions, is a no no and would not be tolerated. especially where a security firm is alleged to have elements with links to an extreme element of a belief system which over all is benign, but which said particular element which it is alleged these elements of the firm may have links to, is not compatible with, and which is hostile toards, the irish state and it's people.

the_syco wrote: »

Is this in relation to something that happened to 150 years ago? They were okay to borrow from the foreigners, but didn't want to pay the full amount that they owed?


So the foreign banks should just what? Expect that they don't get their money back if those in debt don't pay up before a certain age?


Maybe. Or maybe the foreign bank read up on it, read about the GFA, and thought that all was good.


Bring guns next time? Lets see how brave a mob is when they start dropping like flies.


Where did you see that? Have read that it was due to them remortgaging their house to pay for a farm expansion.

unless the emergency responce unit will be turning up to evictions, then it is unlikely that there will be guns coming.

GarIT wrote: »

The retired guard should have know better to fight during a legitimate evection. Got what he deserved. Anyone who didn't leave the house when the banks lads arrived deserved a beating.

well no, the retired gard did not deserve what he got, and those in the house when the banks goons arrived did not deserve a beating, as beating is not a prescribed punishment in law for not leaving a house.
from what i saw in the video, it didn't show anyone other then members of the security firm, doing anything that could be considered fighting.

end of the road

GarIT wrote: »

Because he got hurt.

that doesn't prove he was fighting as you claim.

GarIT wrote: »

I'd be surprised if they suddenly burst in and started kicking the ****e out of anyone.

why would you be surprised. do you think these are actually gards, and that they operate to the same rules and regulations as the gards? no, they are an out of state private security firm, who aren't even regulated in this country, and who are alleged to have or had links to loyalist paramilitarism.

GarIT wrote: »

Even if they did I'd be much less on their side but they're still in the right.

they aren't. a private security firm beating up people as part of an eviction i don't believe is mandated in law in this country.

GarIT wrote: »

If you're in a house that the high court have said is to be repossessed and you're putting up a fight about it you deserve what you get.

you don't, unless you are attacking gardai and they use their allowed reasonable force.

GarIT wrote: »

Bring in that house was no different than being a burglar anywhere else.

it was very different.

Maewyn Succat

There's always more to these cases than meets the eye. Does anyone have details of how much the loans were for or how long it took for the process to get to this stage?
Farming is like any other business with the exception that farmers tend to be very bad business people largely due to a lack

end of the road

mynamejeff wrote: »

is it not true to say that one of these two men is very active in the protest movement ?anti water anti banks anti government whatever the protest of the day ?

i think they would not be as well respected as you think , or only respected by a certain type of person

it is not illegal to be involved in a protest movement. it is certainly no justification to be asalted, if that is what actually happened.

the_syco wrote: »

The people who got evicted claimed that there was no high court order produced. I'll take hat they say with a pinch of salt.

on what basis will you take what they say with a pinch of salt?

Maewyn Succat

A lot of people seem to be making the assumption that the bank was dealing with reasonable people. The reality is they were dealing with Roscommon farmers who are in all likelihood poorly educated and didn't fully understand what they were getting into when they took out the loans. But at the end of the they took out loans they agreed to pay back of their own accord, things didn't work out and now they are paying the price.
The nationality of the security company means nothing. It's likely they were the only company willing to take on the job.

handlemaster

Refer Indo

Has financial difficulties which stretch back almost a decade and include a more than €400,000 settlement secured by the Revenue Commissioners against him in 2015 for the under-declaration of VAT.

Land Registry records for the Falsk property also show that more than €18,000 was secured in a judgment in December 2008, which was subsequently registered against his property. That judgment was obtained by a local company which operated a quarry at the time.

In 2015, Revenue secured a settlement totalling €429,501 against the evicted man as a tax defaulter for the under declaration of VAT. It included €177,000 in tax owed, almost €75,000 in interest, and more than €177,000 in penalties.

In January this year, a judgment mortgage was secured against the man in the Midland Circuit Court by Cabot Asset Purchases (Ireland).

handlemaster

I note no arrests have been made. There were serious assults carried out .. Where s theindividuals who were able to make statements go to ,were they not there !!!!

Bonzo Delaney

handlemaster wrote: »

Refer Indo

Has financial difficulties which stretch back almost a decade and include a more than €400,000 settlement secured by the Revenue Commissioners against him in 2015 for the under-declaration of VAT.

Land Registry records for the Falsk property also show that more than €18,000 was secured in a judgment in December 2008, which was subsequently registered against his property. That judgment was obtained by a local company which operated a quarry at the time.

In 2015, Revenue secured a settlement totalling €429,501 against the evicted man as a tax defaulter for the under declaration of VAT. It included €177,000 in tax owed, almost €75,000 in interest, and more than €177,000 in penalties.

In January this year, a judgment mortgage was secured against the man in the Midland Circuit Court by Cabot Asset Purchases (Ireland).

Sort of blows the poor honest elderly simple farmer media angle or of the water

gctest50

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigate-dissident-links-to-predawn-attack-at-repossessed-house-37632029.html


Scumbag owed €18,000 to a local quarry

gctest50

Co. Roscommon farmer Anthony McGann has a penalty of €177,388.00 by the Revenue commissioners for under-declaration of VAT.

In total the farmer, from Mount Brown, Strokestown owes a total of €429,501.00 to the Revenue and is the farmer with the largest figure on the tax defaulters list.

gctest50

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https://static.rasset.ie/documents/business/defaulters-list2-june2015.pdf

NIMAN

Facts coming out now not making these guys look good.

And is it ok that we now have ex-paramilitaries battering ex-paramilitaries?

listermint

NIMAN wrote: »

Facts coming out now not making these guys look good.

And is it ok that we now have ex-paramilitaries battering ex-paramilitaries?

.... With the involvement of former gardai....