Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

ChikiChiki

Right so the guy is obviously dodgy and evading tax and creditors. Still, nobody in their right mind should be condoning bringing hired thugs in from abroad to evict people especially with paramilitary links. It sets a dangerous precedent.

Did KBC not do their due dilligence on these guys FFS.

Bonzo Delaney

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Right so the guy is obviously dodgy and evading tax and creditors. Still, nobody in their right mind should be condoning bringing hired thugs in from abroad to evict people. It sets a dangerous precedent.

Prob the last throw of the dice after all other avenues have been ignored/exhausted.
In fairness a bit of research on the bailiffs part as with border county local history 800yrs and the like might of been a good idea

Bonzo Delaney

What im saying is it mightened of ignited the same local anger if they brought in a firm from eastern Europe say

noodler

STB. wrote: »

That's about as relevant as discussing Irish taxpayers and unsecured bond holders.

Banks are cúnts. There was an awful lot of gambling going on between 2000 and 2006 and those gambling debts were covered by the Irish taxpayer. KBC made a net profit after tax of €113m for the first six months of this year. They recently sold just under €2 billion of non performing loans to Goldman Sachs, so lets say they are not in the halfpenny place.

Nobody disagrees that people must pay back their loans. I resent it myself! It was the manner in which they did it in this particular case that is under debate. There are many in this thread who are not getting that point.

What is the point?

Many people seem to think that mob attacks on security personnel at 5am under. Cover of darkness, killing dogs and burning out cars actually helps your fellow neighbour.

Since it didn't, what was the point? Attacking lads of a different political persuasion? Just being able to disproportionately punish those who were heavy handed?

eagle eye

Guy:Incognito wrote:

Are they claiming the gard jumped put of the car and attacked them? That whole bit missing from the story is fairly important.
If you're getting arrested and know you didn't do anything, getting aggressive with the person arresting you is rarely going to deescalate the situation. Particularly if you outnumber them.

As I said I'm giving you the storybfrim the other side. I don't know what really happened. The injuries sustained by one of the two men were quite severe though and if there is a recording of this phone call then it changes the picture a fair bit.

listermint

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Right so the guy is obviously dodgy and evading tax and creditors. Still, nobody in their right mind should be condoning bringing hired thugs in from abroad to evict people especially with paramilitary links. It sets a dangerous precedent.

Did KBC not do their due dilligence on these guys FFS.

Why is KBC name being bandied around?

These guys had debts out to cabott too.

There's no clarification as to who the firm hired where from. But it also looks like waffles and lies was used to Stoke up the gang who came back in the middle of the night.

Shemale

Any word from the IFA on this, they were very vocal and even on the news when a previously fore closed farm was on the market saying all neigbours and farmers would blackball anyone who bought it. And that was only what they said in public

blinding

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Why? A plumber or a carpenter can cross the border and do work. People working in security can do the same.

These lads got some of their measurements wrong and have had to hobble home !

Measure twice , cut once !

seligehgit

Dobbo fairly cut to the chase in his interview with Michael Fitzmaurice on Morning Ireland.

seligehgit

seligehgit wrote: »

Dobbo fairly cut to the chase in his interview with Michael Fitzmaurice on Morning Ireland.

Didn't hear, what did he say?

blinding

expectationlost wrote: »

banks can never mislend, grand Im glad we got that sorted

Did the bank do due diligence that these Loans should have been given out . Was it viable for these people to repay the loans ?

Using BlackShirted and Tached Brits to Evict Irish people was not a good business move . The Last Brits that did Evictions in Ireland did not have good results .

blinding

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

I cant wait for the reconstruction on Crimetime!

Black-Shirts ending up with Brown Trousers !

boetstark

simongurnick wrote: »

Fair play to the locals. Send those bastards back to Belfast.

Sad and ignorant

blinding

pablo128 wrote: »

I get your point in general, but in this case you have posters saying ' but but but the banks', when in this case the bank in question got no bailout. Then you get 'but but but the loyalists'. They could be but I've yet to see proof.

My point is the people are quick to point the finger but not so quick to actually help their neighbours. Forget about coming to burn a few vans at 4 in the morning, I'm talking about getting these people back on their feet, and help them keep the bank from the door. Surely some of their farming neighbours could have come in and given them advice how to maximise their business, no?

Could this bank have bought the Debts from Banks that were bailed out ?

armaghlad

NIMAN wrote: »

Facts coming out now not making these guys look good.

And is it ok that we now have ex-paramilitaries battering ex-paramilitaries?

Ex paras beating ex Brit Army. But yes. Good riddance

blinding

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If people ****ed off out of property they haven't paid for of their own accord when the bank asked them, nevermind gathering up local vigilante scumbags, then nothing would be required.

We need to know more about the case . Did the Bank do due diligences as to whether these people could ever repay the loan . Did this bank purchase the debt form Irish banks that were bailed out . The Public need to know more about what has gone on here re the loan and the bank ?

Kermit.de.frog

Billcarson wrote: »

Mr Taylor, a Castlerea native and close friend of Anthony, continued: “At about 8.30am on Tuesday we were aware that there could be an eviction. Anthony was trying to deal with the bank [KBC Bank] and he told them he was happy to pay them so much a month, at least €1,000.

“But KBC Bank wouldn’t do any discussions with him whatsoever.

“They’ve lived there for generations and they would have paid back what they could have afforded if they got a fair chance.”

"At least €1,000"

WTF does that mean? Is that suppose to get sympathy?

How much do they owe? If it's €1,001 per month...tough ****. Case over.

Lesson to kids....don't take out loans you can not afford.

handlemaster

blinding wrote: »

We need to know more about the case . Did the Bank do due diligences as to whether these people could ever repay the loan . Did this bank purchase the debt form Irish banks that were bailed out . The Public need to know more about what has gone on here re the loan and the bank ?

Dude .. Banks dont get possession unless they have been throw the hoop , and done everything by the book. KBC was not bailed out its a Belgium bank.

blinding

JCJCJC wrote: »

The seventy baseball bat artistes is down to twenty according to the RTÉ nine o’clock news this evening.

I reckon the Loyalists were so ashamed of themselves that they beat themselves up !

boetstark

Cupatae wrote: »

I wonder what will happen the banks when they try to go head to head with farmers and average people, be interesting to see how long the banks last..

Be interesting to see how peoples savings last. I presume you are ok with the scenario of a bank failing and account holders losing savings. Just so long as a borrower / tax defaulter can continue to walk away from their debts.
I am amazed at the undercurrent of racism and sectarianism on this thread. So what if these security personnel were of a loyalist persuasion. It's no more of a crime than being of a Republican tradition.
If an Irish security company were involved in a similar situation in Britain and got the same treatment , just think about the reaction here.
United Ireland my arse.

Allinall

blinding wrote: »

We need to know more about the case . Did the Bank do due diligences as to whether these people could ever repay the loan . Did this bank purchase the debt form Irish banks that were bailed out . The Public need to know more about what has gone on here re the loan and the bank ?

I disagree.

It’s nobody’s business other than the two parties involved.

Why should anyone’s private dealings with a bank be made public?

gctest50

Allinall wrote: »

....

Why should anyone’s private dealings with a bank be made public?

Because it was in court


https://static.rasset.ie/documents/business/defaulters-list2-june2015.pdf

Mooooo

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigate-dissident-links-to-predawn-attack-at-repossessed-house-37632029.html

blinding

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

Ian Gordon former UDA member owns the company that carried out this eviction.

The Judgement of those that brought this crowd to do an eviction in a place like Strokestown ain’t too good .

Kermit.de.frog

So this farmer committed fraud on the state. Half a million worth.


What do you have to say now do-gooders?

Zorya

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

"At least €1,000"

WTF does that mean? Is that suppose to get sympathy?

How much do they owe? If it's €1,001 per month...tough ****. Case over.

Lesson to kids....don't take out loans you can not afford.

First of all, I admit to having been incorrect - I thought the owners were elderly, but now it appears the farmer in question is in his 50s.
Second of all, the figure of about 400,000 is being bandied about. This includes 75,000 in interest and 177,000+ in 'penalties'. The original sum appears to have been about 177,000 itself.

My initial response is that this level of penalties seems very stiff and would mitigate severely against people managing to pay off original sums owing. This seems counter-productive.

At the rate of 1000 per month, that's 12,000 per annum less interest obviously, the original sum could have been paid off in 20 - 25 years. It was within the bounds of feasibility.

The retired garda friend of the farmer is saying that the farmer was making an offer of paying - would it not be better to pursue that offer than this dreadful palaver that has taken place.

Anne Kavanagh, who made some fo the videos circulating, has described in some of them the issues facing farmers in rural Ireland who are being hounded into upgrading to make ends meet since milk quotas etc were cut and are being given loans inappropriately. There are a lot of evictions going on as a result - there is something very nasty about all of this, even though I do not have all the details, so cannot put my finger on it.

There are so many sides to every story. Yes, this farmer has obviously made some inappropriate business moves, but some of the people on here calling them ''scumbags'' and displaying such schadenfreude is really ugly and unwarranted. Local people seem to be on the side of the family. I can tell you around here people would be incensed at this kind of stuff.

Even a local TD said,

Fianna Fáil TD Eugene Murphy said: “People in the area don’t want this (the raid by unknown persons on Sunday morning) but also they would like to see the family back in their house, if possible. I went to school with those people, two of them are in their mid-50s, one of them is in their mid-60s, they’d be very well known in the area and I think the general consensus is we should be able to try and get them back into their home if at all possible.”

listermint

Zorya wrote: »

First of all, I admit to having been incorrect - I thought the owners were elderly, but now it appears the farmer in question is in his 50s.
Second of all, the figure of about 400,000 is being bandied about. This includes 75,000 in interest and 177,000+ in 'penalties'. The original sum appears to have been about 177,000 itself.

My initial response is that this level of penalties seems very stiff and would mitigate severely against people managing to pay off original sums owing. This seems counter-productive.

At the rate of 1000 per month, that's 12,000 per annum less interest obviously, the original sum could have been paid off in 20 - 25 years. It was within the bounds of feasibility.

The retired garda friend of the farmer is saying that the farmer was making an offer of paying - would it not be better to pursue that offer than this dreadful palaver that has taken place.

Anne Kavanagh, who made some fo the videos circulating, has described in some of them the issues facing farmers in rural Ireland who are being hounded into upgrading to make ends meet since milk quotas etc were cut and are being given loans inappropriately. There are a lot of evictions going on as a result - there is something very nasty about all of this, even though I do not have all the details, so cannot put my finger on it.

There are so many sides to every story. Yes, this farmer has obviously made some inappropriate business moves, but some of the people on here calling them ''scumbags'' and displaying such schadenfreude is really ugly and unwarranted. Local people seem to be on the side of the family. I can tell you around here people would be incensed at this kind of stuff.

Even a local TD said,

Offer to pay when....
After refusing to pay for ten years.


Jesus this fella is getting some bandwidth from people

Kermit.de.frog

Zorya wrote: »

First of all, I admit to having been incorrect - I thought the owners were elderly, but now it appears the farmer in question is in his 50s.
Second of all, the figure of about 400,000 is being bandied about. This includes 75,000 in interest and 177,000+ in 'penalties'. The original sum appears to have been about 177,000 itself.

My initial response is that this level of penalties seems very stiff and would mitigate severely against people managing to pay off original sums owing. This seems counter-productive.

At the rate of 1000 per month, that's 12,000 per annum less interest obviously, the original sum could have been paid off in 20 - 25 years. It was within the bounds of feasibility.

The retired garda friend of the farmer is saying that the farmer was making an offer of paying - would it not be better to pursue that offer than this dreadful palaver that has taken place.

Anne Kavanagh, who made some fo the videos circulating, has described in some of them the issues facing farmers in rural Ireland who are being hounded into upgrading to make ends meet since milk quotas etc were cut and are being given loans inappropriately. There are a lot of evictions going on as a result - there is something very nasty about all of this, even though I do not have all the details, so cannot put my finger on it.

There are so many sides to every story. Yes, this farmer has obviously made some inappropriate business moves, but some of the people on here calling them ''scumbags'' and displaying such schadenfreude is really ugly and unwarranted. Local people seem to be on the side of the family. I can tell you around here people would be incensed at this kind of stuff.

Even a local TD said,

This man defrauded the state.

Get lost with your whataboutery.

Criminal should be locked up. He is lucky he is only losing the house.

The people who ran to defend him are gob****es - but we already knew that.

I am highly amused to find out that the revenue (i.e. you and me) had already throttled every penny out of these people long before the bank got on the scene.

Local TDs are all talk about KBC being harsh when they control the revenue commissioners.

Will the local TDs get the revenue to go easy on them? Will they f***

awec

Zorya wrote: »

First of all, I admit to having been incorrect - I thought the owners were elderly, but now it appears the farmer in question is in his 50s.
Second of all, the figure of about 400,000 is being bandied about. This includes 75,000 in interest and 177,000+ in 'penalties'. The original sum appears to have been about 177,000 itself.

My initial response is that this level of penalties seems very stiff and would mitigate severely against people managing to pay off original sums owing. This seems counter-productive.

At the rate of 1000 per month, that's 12,000 per annum less interest obviously, the original sum could have been paid off in 20 - 25 years. It was within the bounds of feasibility.

The retired garda friend of the farmer is saying that the farmer was making an offer of paying - would it not be better to pursue that offer than this dreadful palaver that has taken place.

Anne Kavanagh, who made some fo the videos circulating, has described in some of them the issues facing farmers in rural Ireland who are being hounded into upgrading to make ends meet since milk quotas etc were cut and are being given loans inappropriately. There are a lot of evictions going on as a result - there is something very nasty about all of this, even though I do not have all the details, so cannot put my finger on it.

There are so many sides to every story. Yes, this farmer has obviously made some inappropriate business moves, but some of the people on here calling them ''scumbags'' and displaying such schadenfreude is really ugly and unwarranted. Local people seem to be on the side of the family. I can tell you around here people would be incensed at this kind of stuff.

Even a local TD said,

20-25 years for someone in their mid 50s?