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Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

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    #3212
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    And of course SF will define "Rich" as anybody who earns 1 euro more than the average industrial wage.

    Like their TD's (LOL!).

    I notice that Mary Lou had a lovely Burberry coat on her during her jolly to Palestine. She must have been saving for ages with the pittance that she claims to take home ;)


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    #3213
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    My own town of Dundalk has got bad again latley, house robbiers, attacks on streets, knife crime, drugs etc....

    Id put money that more people would rather the IRA back than the job the Gardai are doing now.

    Nothing a few beatings wont solve!


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    #3214
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,497 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    My own town of Dundalk has got bad again latley, house robbiers, attacks on streets, knife crime, drugs etc....

    Id put money that more people would rather the IRA back than the job the Gardai are doing now.

    Nothing a few beatings wont solve!

    The children of IRA members are more than likely involved.
    Was always the case.


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    #3215
    archer22
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just love this! “Officers believe some attackers are possibly security guards themselves, who were annoyed that many of those chosen to protect the house at Falsk, Strokestown, were from the North”

    And “ Others were locals, who opted to join in as a protest, without realising the incident was likely to turn so violent.

    "This appears to be largely a case of teaching a lesson to the outsiders because of their selection for the job rather than a protest over the eviction of the family from the house the previous Tuesday", a senior officer told the Irish Independent last night.“

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/garda-believe-whatsapp-group-organised-violent-attack-37643527.html
    According to that article the dirty savage cnuts used an axe on the Dog :eek:


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    #3216
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The children of IRA members are more than likely involved.
    Was always the case.

    No they are not, the same scum families from the 80's/90's are involved


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    #3217
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Edgware wrote: »
    "Someone else" possibly "the rich" would pay for it.
    It would all work out because everyone would be on the average industrial wage like Mary Lou and Dessie Ellis

    Before or after tax? Liadh let the cat out of that bag in the Presidential debates.


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    #3218
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,208 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The children of IRA members are more than likely involved.
    Was always the case.

    In some cases, it isn't even the children, there are many IRA members deeply involved in criminal gangs. And they are still protected by Sinn Fein.


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    #3219
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    gandalf wrote: »
    TBH I do think all the defenders of this McGann guy only did so because they were afflicted by the Orange rage initially. As the actual facts of the situation are coming out a lot are changing their minds or slipping back into the shadows in silence. In reality the guy and his non-payment ways are irredeemable.

    What we are left with are the trolls doing it for the lols or those who will protest at everything because its "giving the two fingers to the man".

    Meanwhile in the real world, actual people are willing to step away from their laptops and phones and take direct action against perceived wrongs...and as long as that continues to happen your agenda is fcuked.


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    #3220
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,208 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    simongurnick wrote: »
    Meanwhile in the real world, actual people are willing to step away from their laptops and phones and take direct action against perceived wrongs...and as long as that continues to happen your agenda is fcuked.


    Why do you support vigilante mob justice? Do you not think the attack that killed the dog, burned out cars and left several people just doing their job in hospital to be horrific?


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    #3221
    [Deleted User]
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    In some cases, it isn't even the children, there are many IRA members deeply involved in criminal gangs. And they are still protected by Sinn Fein.

    .....and here we go.


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    #3222
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »

    Id put money that more people would rather the IRA back than the job the Gardai are doing now.

    Those people would be what are known as 'morons' and better off ignored.


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    #3223
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,694 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    simongurnick wrote: »
    Meanwhile in the real world, actual people are willing to step away from their laptops and phones and take direct action against perceived wrongs...and as long as that continues to happen your agenda is fcuked.

    Cool, so if I perceive that someone cut in front of me in Tesco, and I burn out their car and kill their dog, will this shower of gob****es who probably can't even spell IRA defend me??


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    #3224
    goat2
    Registered Users Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Cool, so if I perceive that someone cut in front of me in Tesco, and I burn out their car and kill their dog, will this shower of gob****es who probably can't even spell IRA defend me??

    there are two that were also living in that house, they are the ones that suffered


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    #3225
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Why do you support vigilante mob justice? Do you not think the attack that killed the dog, burned out cars and left several people just doing their job in hospital to be horrific?

    So if the Gardai do no protect you, what is the alternative?


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    #3226
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    goat2 wrote: »
    there are two that were also living in that house, they are the ones that suffered

    They should direct their ire at their selfish brother then who has put them in this position.


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    #3227
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,694 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    goat2 wrote: »
    there are two that were also living in that house, they are the ones that suffered

    If they suffered, it's because their brother has lied to them about paying loans for a decade.

    Unless of course they knew.


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    #3228
    goat2
    Registered Users Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    gandalf wrote: »
    They should direct their ire at their selfish brother then who has put them in this position.

    It could be the position that they did not know that he was up to his eyeballs in debt,
    he may not have told them, as he is the owner of the property I am gathering from the information,
    They could have had the permission to live their lives there but not have the ability to have a say on what happened it.
    It is a terrible situation,
    We all cannot know what our siblings are up at all times, I for one don't know my siblings situations or how much they owe anyone nor I don't tell them my financial situation, even though we are all great buddies


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    #3229
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,156 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    goat2 wrote: »
    It could be the position that they did not know that he was up to his eyeballs in debt,
    he may not have told them, as he is the owner of the property I am gathering from the information,
    They could have had the permission to live their lives there but not have the ability to have a say on what happened it.
    It is a terrible situation,
    We all cannot know what our siblings are up at all times, I for one don't know my siblings situations or how much they owe anyone nor I don't tell them my financial situation, even though we are all great buddies


    It is a terrible situation for them but it is entirely their brothers fault. Nobody else is to blame.


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    #3230
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,396 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    simongurnick wrote: »
    So if the Gardai do no protect you, what is the alternative?

    Who are the Gardai not protecting?


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    #3231
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    kippy wrote: »
    Who are the Gardai not protecting?

    They didn't protect the fella pinned down by 5 goons.


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    #3232
    goat2
    Registered Users Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    It is a terrible situation for them but it is entirely their brothers fault. Nobody else is to blame.

    I agree with you that the brother is at fault, but it must have been a terrible shock for them,
    I would not like to have found myself in their situation, would be in shock, wondering what tomorrow brings, I cannot emagine


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    #3233
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,694 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    simongurnick wrote: »
    They didn't protect the fella pinned down by 5 goons.

    What laws were being broken??


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    #3234
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    simongurnick wrote: »
    Meanwhile in the real world, actual people are willing to step away from their laptops and phones and take direct action against perceived wrongs...and as long as that continues to happen your agenda is fcuked.

    Perceived is the key word here. The real problem is that your perception of the situation is wrong and twisted. If this was someone who got into difficulty because of illness or unemployment but who did try and service their debts or engaged with the bank and still got evicted I'd agree with the protest (once it was peaceful).

    However the reality (not the perception) is we have a serial defaulter who has tax judgements and district court convictions. He has been given plenty of opportunities to come to an agreement and didn't bother. He is not worthy of any sort of support or protest. It definitely isn't an excuse for the barbarity that was unleashed on Sunday morning. This is the real world version not the concocted green tinged narrative that broke on Sunday, which has been falling apart as the details of the whole farce have become apparent.


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    #3235
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    simongurnick wrote: »
    They didn't protect the fella pinned down by 5 goons.

    He was being restrained while on private property, not attacked. So no need for the police to step in as it was reasonable force. And it was 3 security personnel.


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    #3236
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    goat2 wrote: »
    It could be the position that they did not know that he was up to his eyeballs in debt,
    he may not have told them, as he is the owner of the property I am gathering from the information,
    They could have had the permission to live their lives there but not have the ability to have a say on what happened it.
    It is a terrible situation,
    We all cannot know what our siblings are up at all times, I for one don't know my siblings situations or how much they owe anyone nor I don't tell them my financial situation, even though we are all great buddies

    I would agree if it was just one loan but given he has multiple defaults, a judgement from revenue, two district court tax related convictions and owes a number of local suppliers I suspect they had an inkling that something was amiss.


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    #3237
    Sycamore Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Sycamore Tree


    It's fascinating to see opinions change on this one amongst work colleagues as the week goes by. I guess the facts have overtaken the initial outrage and a few folks have gone very quiet.


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    #3238
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,208 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    simongurnick wrote: »
    So if the Gardai do no protect you, what is the alternative?


    So you do think that vigilante mob justice is ok.

    Astonishing disregard for the rule of law.


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    #3239
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,208 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    simongurnick wrote: »
    They didn't protect the fella pinned down by 5 goons.

    Was that the fella with a small cut on his knee, or the one who got a nosebleed from all the excitement?


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    #3240
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    simongurnick wrote: »
    They didn't protect the fella pinned down by 5 goons.

    The guy was trespassing and impeding a legal eviction. The contractors were allowed to use reasonable force to subdue and remove him from the premises which they did (personally I believe they were very restrained in dealing with these eejits). As I have said many times before in this thread I have seen trouble makers get worse from security in a pub/club on a Saturday night in Dublin.


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    #3241
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    simongurnick wrote: »
    So if the Gardai do no protect you, what is the alternative?

    Maybe the Gardaí should have arrested those who were illegally occupying a property that is owned by the bank?

    Or maybe the ex-property owners should have just complied with the repossession and court order and left the property peacefully as they were legally obliged to do?

    Instead they acted the d1ck and had to be evicted.

    I've seen the video and I would judge that reasonable force was used. It wasn't excessive, I saw no hammerings, kickings etc.


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