Traveller immigration and dole threads

CinemaGuy45 · 08-12-2018 10:06AM #1

I would describe myself as somebody with a right of centre view and I always found it very frustrating that the left got their way is getting all threads closed.

Lately, boards have left these threads open and many people including myself have finally got to say what we wanted and on a level playing field, the narrative of the left has been destroyed.

Having said that these threads are becoming tiresome the fun has been sucked out of After Hours.
Not sure what the solution is but does anybody else think After Hours has become too polarised and serious?

08-12-2018 10:10AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I would describe myself as somebody with a right of centre view and I always found it very frustrating that the left got their way is getting all threads closed.

Lately, boards have left these threads open and many people including myself have finally got to say what we wanted and on a level playing field, the narrative of the left had been destroyed.

Having said that these threads are becoming tiresome the fun has been sucked out of After Hours.
Not sure what the solution is but this anybody else think After Hours has become too polarised and serious?

They've become too repetitive.

Mysterypunter · 08-12-2018 10:18AM

But they are true, about 90% of traveller males are conmen. I have a mate who is a traveller and he didn't dispute this, I got a great buzz off him, he was watching YouTube videos of travellers threatening each other. I asked him who one of the family's were, and he said they are the Mcphees, Scottish travellers. I didn't know there were any Scottish travellers, wouldn't you be mad enough being one the other? He is not a permanently offended type of fellow, and he just laughed at this. Everyone should be a target for a laugh or a bit of humour, he is always getting at me as well, but just in a joking manner, never bullying or threatening, just winding up each other.

Church on Tuesday · 08-12-2018 10:28AM

In one way it's interesting to have debate and (mostly) intelligent discourse on AH.

In other ways you just want to escape all the stuff that's in the news.

It would be nice if AH was a bit more lighthearted for sure. Honestly the dead serious threads can get tiresome after a while and people are very quick I notice to get offended.

And if I see another Dole thread again, I'm just gona up and leave :mad:

Homer · 08-12-2018 10:32AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Not sure what the solution is but does anybody else think After Hours has become too polarised and serious?

This might sound quite radical and out there.. but, how about you don’t read the threads that don’t interest you or irritate you? Can’t get offended by something you don’t read?

CinemaGuy45 · 08-12-2018 10:38AM

Homer wrote: »

This might sound quite radical and out there.. but, how about you don’t read the threads that don’t interest you or irritate you? Can’t get offended by something you don’t read?

Not offended in the slightest I just think After Hours could do with a few more fun threads.:)

And I will always click into the highest trending threads like most everybody else.:D

Badly Drunk Boy · 08-12-2018 10:50AM

Homer wrote: »

This might sound quite radical and out there.. but, how about you don’t read the threads that don’t interest you or irritate you? Can’t get offended by something you don’t read?

Threads often stray from their oiginal purpose too. You go in expecting one thing, but somebody has derailed it, irreparably.

08-12-2018 10:52AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Not offended in the slightest I just think After Hours could do with a few more fun threads.:)

And I will always click into the highest trending threads like most everybody else.:D

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-12-2018 10:53AM

Mysterypunter wrote: »

But they are true, about 90% of traveller males are conmen. I have a mate who is a traveller and he didn't dispute this, I got a great buzz off him, he was watching YouTube videos of travellers threatening each other. I asked him who one of the family's were, and he said they are the Mcphees, Scottish travellers. I didn't know there were any Scottish travellers, wouldn't you be mad enough being one the other? He is not a permanently offended type of fellow, and he just laughed at this. Everyone should be a target for a laugh or a bit of humour, he is always getting at me as well, but just in a joking manner, never bullying or threatening, just winding up each other.

There's your problem right there.

Sentence 1: baseless exaggerated opinion passed off as factual information.

Sentence 2: said claim backed up by annecdotal experience.

Conclusion: is a deliberate - and blatantly baseless - attempt to smear. Even if you're actually right - which is possible - then why don't you present a more factually researched post...?

These threads get shut down because - as highlighted - the people starting them are unable to debate.

"I can't say this..." - it's not that you're not allowed to, is that you don't know how to.

Sonics2k · 08-12-2018 10:53AM

To be honest I'd say a large part of the reason these threads were constantly closed is because the same ones were opened time and time again, often about the exact same people.

Three threads alone in the last few weeks have been opened about the UN Migrant and Hate Speech pact, each one throwing up the same nonsense each time.

How many threads are going right now about Fairytale of New York on AH? Must be 2 or 3 by now.

facehugger99 · 08-12-2018 11:00AM

Scour papers for story of Traveler criminality.

Post link.

Mouth-breather outrage.

Repeat.

DrumSteve · 08-12-2018 11:02AM

It’s all those poxy threads destroying this place to be honest.

RWCNT · 08-12-2018 11:12AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Having said that these threads are becoming tiresome the fun has been sucked out of After Hours.
Not sure what the solution is but does anybody else think After Hours has become too polarised and serious?

I agree. Throw in anything about "PC gone mad" on the list as well. We currently have two lengthy threads of angry lads posting essays about how wounded they are that they might not be able to hear the word "f@ggot"on the radio in the middle of the day. Embarrassing.

Spanish Eyes · 08-12-2018 11:14AM

Maybe a new section should be opened called "rumours and news today in Ireland" or something like that. Would keep the fun in AH and the more touchy subjects out of it.

CrankyHaus · 08-12-2018 11:15AM

Did the new, stricter, politics cafe cause all of these serious threads to migrate to AH?

While there are a few nutters and eejits contributing to such threads on AH you can at least get a lively debate, whereas in Politics it seems there are too few contributing.

CinemaGuy45 · 08-12-2018 11:16AM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Did the new, stricter, politics cafe cause all of these serious threads to migrate to AH?

While there are a few nutters and eejits contributing to such threads on AH you can at least get a lively debate, whereas in Politics it seems there are too few contributing.

I think you might be on to something.

Say Your Number · 08-12-2018 11:37AM

AH doesn't seem like much fun anymore, not that it was perfect a few years ago, but once every while there was threads like Duggy's Housemate or the found safe to make it worth clicking on, now everything is 'Arrgh virtue warrior PC justice brigade' or ye are honing in on Louise O'Neill or Margaret Cash or whoever the easy target is this week or it's this 'Woman awarded 20,000 Euro for broken fingernail' rubbish that people are always anxious to infest this place with.

I do still look to see if there is anything interesting here, but I know to stay away from those contentious threads that will end up with two lads trying to out multi-quote each other for a million pages.

CinemaGuy45 · 08-12-2018 11:39AM

Say Your Number wrote: »

I do still look to see if there is anything interesting here, but I know to stay away from those contentious threads that will end up with two lads trying to out multi-quote each other for a million pages.

I really hate that too.

Harry Palmr · 08-12-2018 12:01PM

After Hours is a **** hole of stupid these days. Combination news-dump and proto nationalist xenophobic snug.

tuxy · 08-12-2018 12:07PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

After Hours is a **** hole of stupid these days. Combination news-dump and proto nationalist xenophobic snug.

And by these days you mean since 1999?

Fann Linn · 08-12-2018 12:12PM

Plenty of justification in having traveller/dole threads but ultimately it boils down to the same 3 or 4 posters calling each other racists/commies/lefties etc., across all the different threads.

Gets tiresome.

freshpopcorn · 08-12-2018 12:34PM

The best advice I can give you is not to use offensive language when discusding sensative topics.
You can have a topic that's a bit controversial and people coming along using a lot of offensive words causes a lot of the reporting/etc and that's a reason why threads can get locked after a time.

orourkeda1977 · 08-12-2018 12:34PM

RWCNT wrote: »

I agree. Throw in anything about "PC gone mad" on the list as well. We currently have two lengthy threads of angry lads posting essays about how wounded they are that they might not be able to hear the word "f@ggot"on the radio in the middle of the day. Embarrassing.

I find it more embarrassing that three grown men are offended by the word f@ggot.

I think that's the real point of that thread.

Whats more I spelled out the word in this post and it didn't appear as it was typed. Presumably as an effort to minimise the offence (or perceived offence) it may cause

I'm overweight. If someone expressed their disgust at my weight should I throw a tantrum? Absolutely not, because I've grown up.

Mysterypunter · 08-12-2018 12:40PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

There's your problem right there.

Sentence 1: baseless exaggerated opinion passed off as factual information.

Sentence 2: said claim backed up by annecdotal experience.

Conclusion: is a deliberate - and blatantly baseless - attempt to smear. Even if you're actually right - which is possible - then why don't you present a more factually researched post...?

These threads get shut down because - as highlighted - the people starting them are unable to debate.

"I can't say this..." - it's not that you're not allowed to, is that you don't know how to.

Its not baseless, but may be exaggerated. Lots of them are up to no good, live in fantasy land if you like, but they are up to no good.

orourkeda1977 · 08-12-2018 12:45PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The best advice I can give you is not to use offensive language when discusding sensative topics.
You can have a topic that's a bit controversial and people coming along using a lot of offensive words causes a lot of the reporting/etc and that's a reason why threads can get locked after a time.

Where do you draw the line?

klaaaz · 08-12-2018 12:47PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I would describe myself as somebody with a right of centre view and I always found it very frustrating that the left got their way is getting all threads closed.

Lately, boards have left these threads open and many people including myself have finally got to say what we wanted and on a level playing field, the narrative of the left has been destroyed.

Funniest post of the day. It's actually right wing leaning posters who are starting all those threads, they're all offended. Very sensitive bunch!

Ronan|Raven · 08-12-2018 12:48PM

klaaaz wrote: »

Funniest post of the day. It's actually right wing leaning posters who are starting all those threads, they're all offended. Very sensitive bunch!

Some may say they are a bunch of snowflakes.

CinemaGuy45 · 08-12-2018 01:00PM

klaaaz wrote: »

Funniest post of the day. It's actually right wing leaning posters who are starting all those threads, they're all offended. Very sensitive bunch!

Yes, and how many of those threads did I start?

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_Kaiser_ · 08-12-2018 01:04PM

Whatever happened to the idea of a Current Affairs sub-forum off AH?

That would allow those who want to discuss the issues the ability to do so, and those who want to post random things about their dinner or whatever to do so without feeling the place is too "serious"

Skylinehead · 08-12-2018 01:07PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Whatever happened to the idea of a Current Affairs sub-forum off AH?

That would allow those who want to discuss the issues the ability to do so, and those who want to post random things about their dinner or whatever to do so without feeling the place is too "serious"

Yes, please, please make this happen.

I ain't modding it though

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-12-2018 01:08PM

Mysterypunter wrote: »

Its not baseless, but may be exaggerated. Lots of them are up to no good, live in fantasy land if you like, but they are up to no good.

And exaggeration is acceptable in debate, because...?

The figure is most certainly baseless, and it makes the rest of the post look untrustworthy.

If the point is correct, then why not find out the exact figure, find some references and THEN post?

Whatever the reasons fit not found so, are the same reason the post looks like scaremongered bigotry. (Not saying it is, but that's how it looks. And then that's why these threads get locked)

Traveller immigration and dole threads

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