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Motivator

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Ireland v England this year? The one week break last month shouldn’t affect English horses too much but it’s very hard to tell. Willie is taking a smaller team than usual this year but Gordon thinks he has a chance of beating last year’s total of 8 winners. I don’t doubt that ireland will have more winners but a lot of people I’ve spoken to seem to think Ireland will win every race.

It’s very difficult to focus in on any English horses that have an outstanding chance. I think Beuveur D’Air will win the Champion Hurdle and they’ll pick up a few handicaps but I’m finding it difficult to get a proper angle on the English horses.

PhuckHugh2

Motivator wrote: »

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Ireland v England this year? The one week break last month shouldn’t affect English horses too much but it’s very hard to tell. Willie is taking a smaller team than usual this year but Gordon thinks he has a chance of beating last year’s total of 8 winners. I don’t doubt that ireland will have more winners but a lot of people I’ve spoken to seem to think Ireland will win every race.

It’s very difficult to focus in on any English horses that have an outstanding chance. I think Beuveur D’Air will win the Champion Hurdle and they’ll pick up a few handicaps but I’m finding it difficult to get a proper angle on the English horses.

Even when we have been doing well the last few years there is little to nothing in the amount of races won. I seen England can be bet at 7/4 to win it. I think you could have a lot worse bets during the week than that.

Just looking at the favorites on Oddschecker right now. England have 15 favs vs Ireland 13. Id have to dig into the next few in each of the markets but tbh i see absolutely no reason why it is not a 50:50 bet. Barring a draw of course.

IAMAMORON

Motivator wrote: »

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Ireland v England this year? .

I would say the Welsh and Scottish trainers might have something to say about above, but I know what you mean.;)

I think the Paul Nicholls yard is flying. I am going to back his runners fairly blindly. It looks to me like Nicky Henderson is on the bottle again, so who knows what is happening there. I don't think either Willie Mullins or Gordon Elliott are having a stonking year either. The main reason for that is that Joseph O'Brien is lashing in the winners, I will be backing his runners also. I think some of the leading British trainers have being scared off ( Greatrex seems to be targeting Aintree this year ). Philip Hobbs should have a few winners, his yard seems to be out of the slump it was in last year.

It wasn't that many years ago that Ireland would be happy with 5 or 6 winners, in fairness we have had it really good the last 4 -5 years. The Brits know how to get one right for the handicaps also.

RivetingRoger

I stonewall GUARANTEE you Buveau D'air will NOT win champion hurdle.

Guarantee!

ROGER KNOWS !

akelly02

RivetingRoger wrote: »

I stonewall GUARANTEE you Buveau D'air will NOT win champion hurdle.

Guarantee!

ROGER KNOWS !

were you chatting him rodge ?

said he didnt fancy it 3 years running?

RivetingRoger

akelly02 wrote: »

were you chatting him rodge ?

said he didnt fancy it 3 years running?

Vautour appeared to me in a dream last night AK.
Told me 2 things
1. BD won't win CH
2. Everton will beat Liverpool

VAUTOUR KNOWS

Whiplash85

Buveur D'air will destroy the 2 mares.

akelly02

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Vautour appeared to me in a dream last night AK.
Told me 2 things
1. BD won't win CH
2. Everton will beat Liverpool

VAUTOUR KNOWS

i hope hes right about half if it

Motivator

Motivator wrote: »

It’s very difficult to focus in on any English horses that have an outstanding chance. I think Beuveur D’Air will win the Champion Hurdle and they’ll pick up a few handicaps but I’m finding it difficult to get a proper angle on the English horses.

Altior might have a squeak in the champion chase maybe?

There's a fair amount of doublethink on here come Cheltenham time, every Irish horse can't be beat, the English have nothing etc.

It will be close enough. If anything I would say the English are stronger in the novice events than they usually are. The fact that the supposed irish banker isn't going off until Friday morning tells you everything you need to know.

RivetingRoger

Closer it gets to day 1 I am starting to think about kalashnikov for the arkle. If as reported defil is staying in jlt then this opens the arkle right up for one of lalor, Glen Forsa or murphys yoke who ran relatively well last year just nabbed at the line.
Classy sort and not much to beat

longshotvalue

I think the English should be about 1/2 this year. Not many huge irish certainties, apart for Apples Jade :rolleyes:



Jeez just looked and UK are 7/4. Id Pile on if i was bothered with that kind of price.



Ill probably add that to a multiple or 2.

Charlie George

I think they were 5/2 around christmas time, they will win most of the handicaps now after the weights came out.

The Mig

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Vautour appeared to me in a dream last night AK.
Told me 2 things
1. BD won't win CH
2. Everton will beat Liverpool

VAUTOUR KNOWS

Talking pony Roger

akelly02

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Closer it gets to day 1 I am starting to think about kalashnikov for the arkle. If as reported defil is staying in jlt then this opens the arkle right up for one of lalor, Glen Forsa or murphys yoke who ran relatively well last year just nabbed at the line.
Classy sort and not much to beat

He was beaten out of sight by glen forsa rodge?

paddy no 11

akelly02 wrote: »

He was beaten out of sight by glen forsa rodge?

And Lalor thru dynamite dollars

RivetingRoger

akelly02 wrote: »

He was beaten out of sight by glen forsa rodge?

He was but wasn't he just after his shots I heard? Can't have that as his true form

akelly02

RivetingRoger wrote: »

He was but wasn't he just after his shots I heard? Can't have that as his true form

what about kempton then?

dynamite dollars had no bother with him

The White Wolf

RivetingRoger wrote: »

I stonewall GUARANTEE you Buveau D'air will NOT win champion hurdle.

Guarantee!

ROGER KNOWS !

End of the day defending champ going for a historic 3 in a row. It's the bar and well done to any nag that puts BD away.

I'll be delighted to get a decent price on him on the day anyway.

jj mac

RivetingRoger wrote: »

He was but wasn't he just after his shots I heard? Can't have that as his true form

Looked like he was after been shot alright Roger. 😂

The White Wolf

The Mig wrote: »

Talking pony Roger

Absurd really. It's the mad house in the antepost thread.

Plasandrunt

Kalashikov will be a different proposition on a left handed course

HarshOstrich

Plasandrunt wrote: »

Kalashikov will be a different proposition on a left handed course

He’s too slow a jumper, save your money.

Plasandrunt

too late......

Dr. Bre

Don’t forget it was a shocking supreme last year.

Angliru

Think the Arkle will be one of those races where a pig outsider will win. Very poor race. Someone like Mengli Khan could end up thriving.

BumperD

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Don’t forget it was a shocking supreme last year.

This.

Andrew00

The RSA and the Arkle are absolute dross this year

famagusta

Angliru wrote:

Think the Arkle will be one of those races where a pig outsider will win. Very poor race. Someone like Mengli Khan could end up thriving.

I'll be 4k up when Articulum wins !!!

Gringo180

Angliru wrote: »

Think the Arkle will be one of those races where a pig outsider will win. Very poor race. Someone like Mengli Khan could end up thriving.

Knocknannus