John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

secman

Dots1982 wrote: »

I’m sure if JD had insisted on paying compo to Dundalk even though it wasn’t ever going to be asked for then that would be a universally popular decision.

There definitely wouldn’t be a load of people saying why are a cash strapped organization like the FAI giving away free money. There would be no chance John Delaney would be criticized as incapable of negotiationing on behalf of the association because he gives away money when he doesn’t need to.

Absolutely no chance.

With the exception when its to do with bettering JD, no expenses spared then.

Irishmale0399

Chancer3001 wrote: »

The two lads are named in the link i provided a few posts ago.

“Dundalk were brilliant, I spoke to Dundalk on Saturday, Mike Treacy and Mal Brannigan, they were brilliant."


He may have spoken to the map of Dundalk....he certainly didnt speak to the club until after Kenny was announced, it was on twitter before the call came to Mal Brannigan from Stephan Kenny. That is a fact that the then Dundalk CEO didnt hide when speaking to fans over the following days. As for Mike Treacy...he was in the States....so how did JD sit down with him???



Here is the real story and not JDs tripe:


"Kenny declined to reveal what transpired as he broke the news to the various parties on Saturday, but local website dundalksport.ie reported that he told club chief executive Mal Brannigan on Saturday before getting on to his management team. His assistant, Vinny Perth, is said to have driven from Galway – where team captain Stephen O’Donnell had got married the previous day – to meet him face to face."

“I would have liked to have communicated better with the players,” said Kenny yesterday, “but logistically it could not work. I was only signed and it was out there. That’s the modern era.”

It had been, he said, “a huge wrench” to leave. “But I’m very confident that the club is in a strong place. The players from last season are virtually all signed up for next season and there is a great leadership group there. Vinny Perth, the assistant manager, is tremendous, Ruaidhrí Higgins, the captain Stephen O’Donnell and Brian Gartland … They will have great success.”


Added to that why didnt Dundalk mention JD or the FAI for their cooperation when doing the deal.....in fact the Dundalk statement was a statement itself about how they felt.

Chancer3001

oooook...

so Delaney says he talked to the 2 lads on Saturday and they didn't want compensation.

You say Kenny told the chief he'd be leaving on Saturday...

so?

Irishmale0399

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

“Dundalk were brilliant, I spoke to Dundalk on Saturday, Mike Treacy and Mal Brannigan, they were brilliant."


He may have spoken to the map of Dundalk....he certainly didnt speak to the club until after Kenny was announced, it was on twitter before the call came to Mal Brannigan from Stephan Kenny. That is a fact that the then Dundalk CEO didnt hide when speaking to fans over the following days. As for Mike Treacy...he was in the States....so how did JD sit down with him???



Here is the real story and not JDs tripe:


"Kenny declined to reveal what transpired as he broke the news to the various parties on Saturday, but local website dundalksport.ie reported that he told club chief executive Mal Brannigan on Saturday before getting on to his management team. His assistant, Vinny Perth, is said to have driven from Galway – where team captain Stephen O’Donnell had got married the previous day – to meet him face to face."

“I would have liked to have communicated better with the players,” said Kenny yesterday, “but logistically it could not work. I was only signed and it was out there. That’s the modern era.”

It had been, he said, “a huge wrench” to leave. “But I’m very confident that the club is in a strong place. The players from last season are virtually all signed up for next season and there is a great leadership group there. Vinny Perth, the assistant manager, is tremendous, Ruaidhrí Higgins, the captain Stephen O’Donnell and Brian Gartland … They will have great success.”


Added to that why didnt Dundalk mention JD or the FAI for their cooperation when doing the deal.....in fact the Dundalk statement was a statement itself about how they felt.

Chancer3001 wrote: »

oooook...

so Delaney says he talked to the 2 lads on Saturday and they didn't want compensation.

You say Kenny told the chief he'd be leaving on Saturday...

so?

Do you believe a word JD says???



Can you read between lines???


"I was only signed and it was out there. That’s the modern era.”
What does that mean???


I said "He may have spoken to the map of Dundalk....he certainly didnt speak to the club until after Kenny was announced, it was on twitter before the call came to Mal Brannigan from Stephan Kenny.


Again you said JD sat down with the 2 lads named......I asked how he could sit down with 2 men...1 in Chicagoand 1 in Dundalk???
Is he that good??? Some man if he can be in Dundalk and Chicago in 1 day to sit down doing the deal??

Chancer3001

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Do you believe a word JD says???



Can you read between lines???


"I was only signed and it was out there. That’s the modern era.”
What does that mean???


I said "He may have spoken to the map of Dundalk....he certainly didnt speak to the club until after Kenny was announced, it was on twitter before the call came to Mal Brannigan from Stephan Kenny.


Again you said JD sat down with the 2 lads named......I asked how he could sit down with 2 men...1 in Chicagoand 1 in Dundalk???
Is he that good??? Some man if he can be in Dundalk and Chicago in 1 day to sit down doing the deal??

yes i believe lots of what he says unless i have reason to doubt it chief (just an expression, I dont think youre an actual chief)


When I said he sat down, it was just an expression, maybe he leaned on a railing, maybe they stood at a desk, maybe it was even on the phone. My apologies for not being pedantic enough.


so Kenny decided he would leave on the saturday. told his bosses. Same day, delaney RINGS (apologies again) and thrashes out that no compensation is needed cos Kenny is going international.


*rings could be a whatsapp call, facetime, skype, snapchat video call etc etc etc

Irishmale0399

Chancer3001 wrote: »

yes i believe lots of what he says unless i have reason to doubt it chief (just an expression, I dont think youre an actual chief)


When I said he sat down, it was just an expression, maybe he leaned on a railing, maybe they stood at a desk, maybe it was even on the phone. My apologies for not being pedantic enough.


so Kenny decided he would leave on the saturday. told his bosses. Same day, delaney RINGS (apologies again) and thrashes out that no compensation is needed cos Kenny is going international.


*rings could be a whatsapp call, facetime, skype, snapchat video call etc etc etc

Christ am I happy that I am not living in your perfect John Delany world. Only other person I have spoken to with such an opinion on the FAI and JD publically put out a letter of support for the great leader on behalf of the league he represents within the FAI. That was later shot down by numerous clubs....


A final 2 questions....if JD is such a great person and wonderful business man, working hinestly and soley for the interest of Irish football. why do members of Sport Ireland, politicians, club boards (LOI and grassroots), former players, journalists and fans have doubts about his credibility, honesty and integrity???


Why did Treacy yesterday say he couldnt say he had confidence in the FAI board, which is led by JD???

secman

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Christ am I happy that I am not living in your perfect John Delany world. Only other person I have spoken to with such an opinion on the FAI and JD publically put out a letter of support for the great leader on behalf of the league he represents within the FAI. That was later shot down by numerous clubs....


A final 2 questions....if JD is such a great person and wonderful business man, working hinestly and soley for the interest of Irish football. why do members of Sport Ireland, politicians, club boards (LOI and grassroots), former players, journalists and fans have doubts about his credibility, honesty and integrity???


Why did Treacy yesterday say he couldnt say he had confidence in the FAI board, which is led by JD???

Wasting you time , might as well be talking to Sepp Delaney himself.

Irishmale0399

secman wrote: »

Wasting you time , might as well be talking to Sepp Delaney himself.

I wouldnt be suprised if it is a FAI family member.....just wonder what they are being paid to stand up for Teflon and Uhu Super Glue.

Chancer3001

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Christ am I happy that I am not living in your perfect John Delany world. Only other person I have spoken to with such an opinion on the FAI and JD publically put out a letter of support for the great leader on behalf of the league he represents within the FAI. That was later shot down by numerous clubs....


A final 2 questions....if JD is such a great person and wonderful business man, working hinestly and soley for the interest of Irish football. why do members of Sport Ireland, politicians, club boards (LOI and grassroots), former players, journalists and fans have doubts about his credibility, honesty and integrity???


Why did Treacy yesterday say he couldnt say he had confidence in the FAI board, which is led by JD???

1 = think weve addressed this one before. The last major outburst by an ex player seems to have been roy keane years and years ago. Cant remember many ex irish players getting after Delaney despite many of them being in the media. Best known journalist Dunphy came out in Delaneys support lately. Most Ive heard politicans say is that there are questions. YES THERE ARE.



2 - Treacy, like I said before is covering his own ass. He's worried about this 100k. Maybe its the tip of the iceberg. MAYBE it is, maybe its corrupt as ****. Til we know tho, we cant really comment. He cant give them his backing and 2 weeks latr they come out as being corrupt. So he said "I cant back them" NOT "Im not backing them" which is fair enough. Id say the same in his shoes.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Best known journalist Dunphy came out in Delaneys support lately. Most Ive heard politicans say is that there are questions. YES THERE ARE.

you obviously haven't listened to Dunphy's podcast dedicated to this whole debacle then.

The Talking Bread

The guy is clearly ťrolling. Stop humouring him.
This thread is a mess.

Chancer3001

Faith Some Loop wrote: »

you obviously haven't listened to Dunphy's podcast dedicated to this whole debacle then.

no i didnt hear that. I just read him in the Independent TBH


He wrote/said


"I think you have to look at the whole picture", Dunphy begins. "The grassroots soccer people in this country have come out in support of Delaney. It's extraordinary and very telling. In 13 years he turned up at over 2,000 events. In addition to that, Irish soccer now has a home; when Delaney took over, we were renting it from the IRFU.


he also brought a lot of money into the game. He managed to persuade Denis O'Brien to pony up the money to pay for the best coaches. They were paid massive salaries but at the time, they were the best money could buy. He was able to get the patronage of wealthy individuals like O'Brien and I approved of that. He went around the country and organised all-weather pitches in places like Kerry where that stuff was never there before. I went to my old soccer club in Drumcondra and saw him open a new pitch with dressing rooms. I thought it was amazing stuff." What about the League of Ireland, which Delaney once characterised as "a difficult child" and which continued to founder under his authority? "The problem with the League of Ireland is that nobody can f**king fix it, including John Delaney, and including Niall Quinn. [Quinn] wants to give each of the clubs €2m - that money will disappear like smoke, you might as well burn it. The League of Ireland has been the way it is forever, it has always been a bad joke, delinquent. It's always been on the brink of collapse. The clubs are all autonomous."


I have never accepted hospitality from Delaney. I know the guy, I haven't spoken to him for years. I've tried to say there's bad stuff here but there's also very good stuff here.




Maybe I need to listen to his Podcast if its wildly different???? What did he say in it???

Corholio

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I have never accepted hospitality from Delaney. I know the guy, I haven't spoken to him for years. I've tried to say there's bad stuff here but there's also very good stuff here.

It only took loads of pages and posts but you got there in the end.

dreamers75

From the LOI thread:

2 tweets:

https://twitter.com/YouBoysInGreen/status/1113910634117259264


And a reminder of when Derry and Pats disagreed with the FAI, The St Pats one altho brilliant at the time, is super ****ing brilliant now in a world of governance and how boards work.....


https://twitter.com/stpatsfc/status/761945974294142976


The other clubs were silent then.....

Chancer3001

Corholio wrote: »

It only took loads of pages and posts but you got there in the end.

Yoy realise thats a quote from dunphy yeah?

Would you prefer people commenting who don't know delaney at all??

Necro

I mean the board are already in breach of terms of very basic corporate governance in terms of the length the members have been serving.

They've also ignored pretty much ALL of their own recommendations from the Genesis report after the Saipan incident.

I know I was talking about SI not being able to do much but the Oireachtas committee seem to have their big boy pants on based off Imelda Munster's interview on Newstalk this morning.

Hopefully they take them to task and rout the whole bunch, bow to stern.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Chancer3001 wrote: »

1 = think weve addressed this one before. The last major outburst by an ex player seems to have been roy keane years and years ago. Cant remember many ex irish players getting after Delaney despite many of them being in the media. Best known journalist Dunphy came out in Delaneys support lately. Most Ive heard politicans say is that there are questions. YES THERE ARE.



2 - Treacy, like I said before is covering his own ass. He's worried about this 100k. Maybe its the tip of the iceberg. MAYBE it is, maybe its corrupt as ****. Til we know tho, we cant really comment. He cant give them his backing and 2 weeks latr they come out as being corrupt. So he said "I cant back them" NOT "Im not backing them" which is fair enough. Id say the same in his shoes.

Dunphy certainly isn't supporting him anyway.

https://soundcloud.com/thestandwitheamondunphy/ep-379-john-delaney-uncut

s3rtvdbwfj81ch

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Maybe I need to listen to his Podcast if its wildly different???? What did he say in it???

I'm not about to transcribe the whole podcast for you.

He has the journalist on, and it's pretty damning.

Look, you have your opinion on the man and you don't seem to want to listen to counter opinion, or engage in good faith, so have at it

JohnFalstaff

I don't understand the Delaney defenders in this thread. You point out the various things Delaney has done to benefit the game in the country... but THAT'S HIS JOB. It's what he's paid to do.

The person who replaces Delaney will do everything Delaney did, and more, and hopefully operate in a more transparent manner.

It's time for Delaney to go.

The_Kew_Tour

You swear we had a European or World Cup in the bag

We don't have a single world class player and not have had one in 10 years or more.

The LOI is just floating above water

JohnFalstaff

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

I don't understand the Delaney defenders in this thread. You point out the various things Delaney has done to benefit the game in the country... but THAT'S HIS JOB. It's what he's paid to do.

The person who replaces Delaney will do everything Delaney did, and more, and hopefully operate in a more transparent manner.

It's time for Delaney to go.

Don’t even try and make sense of his defenders.

They are not real.

The same second John Delaney loses his job is the same second these ‘posters’ will disappear.

ozzy jr

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You swear we had a European or World Cup in the bag

We don't have a single world class player and not have had one in 10 years or more.

The LOI is just floating above water

Would replacing John Delaney change any of that?

(That's not me suggesting he stays by the way)

Irishmale0399

JD and FF TD on the Oireachtas committee.....best buddies it seems, WC final tickets and a night out before next week.

https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/status/1113867514004611072

Nesta99

With the growing seaswell against the former FAI CEO, the chance of further revelations, the potential con of sending out patsy's like the High Performance Director/League of Ireland Director to the Oireachtas rather than the President and key members of the board over the last 14 years of FAI governance then Kevin O'Keefe might just be better served distancing himself to Delaney and Co. for now at least and not buddying up. Not the shrewdest move of self preservation by a politician and a schoolboy error that Delaney himself would not make! His limp attempt to defend JD at the Oireachtas committe this week was roundly criticised and seen as pure cronyism. How he performs next week in front of his 'pal' could well make or break the publics perception of the guy.

The almost cut and paste versions of press releases from certain sectors of the footballing community stinks even if 'conincidental', and and the growing dissension from the clubs to their committees (pampered presidents) is significant and a growing trend.

The description of Mark Tighe of the High Court proceedings and abuse of the Family Court by JD and his tactic to leave things so late as to minimise the opportunity to challange his gagging order is the conduct of a man dipped in experienced arrogance of such tactics.

All in all what has piqued most of interest is this desperate attempt to surpress a pretty benign story that could have been explained away as a temporary paycut due to financial pressure on the FAI, apologies to SI for not informing them but as it was a short stop gap they didnt bother. By the time net Wednesday comes every whistleblower who feared speaking up will have approached the govt committee and they will be better armed. Ignoring reccomendations of sections of the Genisis Report on governance wiil crop up for example I dont think this will be the damp squibb people are expecting. I wouldnt be surprised if a few documents have been shredded in Abbotstown just in case over the last few weeks...

irishgeo

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I would love to know how much he is paying his missus. I'm pretty sure she is a paid up employee of the FAI. She goes to all of John Delaney excursions out of the country, and that's not just ones we see (away games, UEFA draws etc). If Delaney is meeting with another FA he's bringing her with him, as I have witnessed myself. She is paid a salary, for a role that nobody knows what she actually does and a role that was created for her.

What does she actually do?
How much is she paid?
How much did her expenses come to in the last couple of years?

John Delaney PA by any chance.

Nesta99

irishgeo wrote: »

John Delaney PA by any chance.

Well he has to have someone to chew the face of during the national anthems to grab some attention. Some might say fair play, some think its disrespectful. I'd love to know who all these people are who look for his autograph and for selfies as its a bit sad imo. As for Delaney introducing John O'Shea being 'the best pro Ive ever worked with', I know JD likes to control all parts of the FAI but I would have thought he'd have left working with the players to managers of the team!!:rolleyes:

shanec1928

Are they trying to sharpen the sword before the fall? The board now claiming a level of ignorance.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0408/1041423-fai-delaney-oireachtas/

Irishmale0399

shanec1928 wrote: »

Are they trying to sharpen the sword before the fall? The board now claiming a level of ignorance.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0408/1041423-fai-delaney-oireachtas/

Sounds like skid marks to me.....someone in the FAI has decided to protect themselves. The board will be claiming they were not fully informed based on that statement and will say no one expects them to be up to date with day to day affairs.

irishgeo

shanec1928 wrote: »

Are they trying to sharpen the sword before the fall? The board now claiming a level of ignorance.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0408/1041423-fai-delaney-oireachtas/

So its 6 different investigations going on.
The internal sub committee.
Grant Thornton.
Mazers.
Sport Ireland.
The dail committee.
Director of corporate enforcement.

The reports will be interested.

Within a few weeks the board have gone from full knowledge to ahh no actually we didn't really know. They are looking for a way out. Are they the board going to throw someone to the wolves to save themselves.

Again, not good reading for Delaney as finally cracks appear. Conway's statement is also far less bullish than Delaney's approach over the years, which was to dismiss criticism. It contains a clear acknowledgement that the FAI are not reaching the levels expected of it, which is a concession we're not used to.