John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

FixdePitchmark · 08-12-2019 09:02PM

topmanamillion wrote: »

Good point.
The four clubs that played in Europe last summer are due €2 million + which will be paid by UEFA to the FAI next summer when the European competitions are finished.

You would hope the league prize money, affiliation fees and European money is all ring fenced for LOI clubs. But who knows what will happen to it. Clubs should really be raising that issue with UEFA and looking for them to guarantee that money.

imagine all that effort, training and achievement. And them ***** get your prize money and john Delaney haz most of it already gone.

Then you don't get it. (I know unrelated money , but still)

horrible stuff.

Irishmale0399 · 08-12-2019 09:03PM

Wondering here lads....Conway says JD paid €50K towards his birthday bash.....is that the same €50K he donated to the FAI to keep it afloat. Also interesting would be for the names of the other persons or companies who donated to make up the €650k....what did they believe they were donating towards or were they aware of the problem and if so why wasnt it made public??

Oat23 · 08-12-2019 09:16PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

imagine all that effort, training and achievement. And them ***** get your prize money and john Delaney haz most of it already gone.

Then you don't get it. (I know unrelated money , but still)

horrible stuff.

Luckily Dundalk are the team who would be most affected and they're owned by a very rich group of people. If the FAI try to f*ck them over, they have the money to take them to the cleaners unlike most other clubs who couldn't afford that court battle.

Irishmale0399 · 08-12-2019 09:26PM

Oat23 wrote: »

Luckily Dundalk are the team who would be most affected and they're owned by a very rich group of people. If the FAI try to f*ck them over, they have the money to take them to the cleaners unlike most other clubs who couldn't afford that court battle.

Wonder will the FAI have the balls to ask Desmond or Peak6 to help bail them out.....allow the problem child save them.:P:P

Zebra3 · 08-12-2019 09:53PM

smelly sock wrote: »

It would be similar to swim ireland id suggest. But yes. They should be let go to the wall and the tax payer should in no way have to foot a bill to bail them out. Start again. Keep anyone with any history of involvement with the FAI well away from any new organisation.

Please choose your words wisely.

There are a lot of good people in the FAI who had nothing to do with what happened.

They are victims of it and their jobs are now at risk.

Cork Boy 53 · 08-12-2019 09:55PM

There must now be doubts in the short term over the international teams` future including the Euro 2020 playoff games. Also if the FAI were banned from international competition would that have implications for the Euro 2020 tournament matches scheduled for Dublin?

Dots1982 · 08-12-2019 09:59PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

There must now be doubts in the short term over the international teams` future including the Euro 2020 playoff games.

Uefa bailout will them going for now I’d imagine

mikeym · 08-12-2019 10:36PM

I would love to see the FAI disbanded but there are people who work for the FAI who have nothing to do with the Shenanigans at the top level.

08-12-2019 10:43PM

Oat23 wrote: »

If the FAI try to f*ck them over, they have the money to take them to the cleaners unlike most other clubs who couldn't afford that court battle.

The FAI is broke, there is nothing to take to the cleaners, the money is gone.

FixdePitchmark · 08-12-2019 10:57PM

By the way I know the figures look shocking.

But has the reality of the actual value of organisation being lost in the blow out ?

the returns are potentially excellent
they have a stake in a stadium that in current climate you couldn't afford location or cost to build , why was there an obsession with paying it off so quickly?
In theory the team is on an upward trend
the team has fantastic sponsorship potential
outrageously loyal fan base
they have incredible access to the cash cow events and tv rights

if it was a soccer team in any domestic league a dragon would love a punt.

I'd imagine a few people see a potential take over if that is possible internationally.

Kind of mad space, government should nationalise it if possible.

jack presley · 08-12-2019 10:59PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

By the way I know the figures look shocking.

But has the reality of the actual value of organisation being lost in the blow out ?

the returns are potentially excellent
they have a stake in a stadium that in current climate you couldn't afford location or cost to build , why was there an obsession with paying it off so quickly?
In theory the team is on an upward trend
the team has fantastic sponsorship potential
outrageously loyal fan base
they have incredible access to the cash cow events and tv rights

if it was a soccer team in any domestic league a dragon would love a punt.

I'd imagine a few people see a potential take over if that is possible internationally.

Kind of mad space, government should nationalise it if possible.

FIFA don't allow government interference.

Seth Brundle · 08-12-2019 11:03PM

GRASSROOTS football will be funded to the tune of €2m with funds by-passing the controversy-hit FAI.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/funding-to-be-restored-to-grassroots-football-to-tune-of-2m-shane-ross-38764726.html

FixdePitchmark · 08-12-2019 11:07PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Please choose your words wisely.

There are a lot of good people in the FAI who had nothing to do with what happened.

They are victims of it and their jobs are now at risk.

This is a complex one and getting a bit philosophical.

but is it not fair to say most (90%) of staff knew the FAI was a corrupt organisation? The dogs on the street did.
Nobody believed it would end well, the only surprise was how long .

We are hearing more and more how you were pushed out if you didn't buy into the Delaney way.

I'd have more respect for people who were forced out , left or wouldn't work in that regime.

I know above is very harsh and moralistic, but fundamentally this is a moral and ethical issue. Fans wouldn't go to games and they found that very hard.

Plenty of very average people have fairly high moral and ethical standards.

There was a sizeable amount of people in the organisation taking the soup.

CrabRevolution · 08-12-2019 11:10PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

By the way I know the figures look shocking.

But has the reality of the actual value of organisation being lost in the blow out ?

the returns are potentially excellent
they have a stake in a stadium that in current climate you couldn't afford location or cost to build , why was there an obsession with paying it off so quickly?
In theory the team is on an upward trend
the team has fantastic sponsorship potential
outrageously loyal fan base
they have incredible access to the cash cow events and tv rights

if it was a soccer team in any domestic league a dragon would love a punt.

I'd imagine a few people see a potential take over if that is possible internationally.

Kind of mad space, government should nationalise it if possible.

I doubt the FAI is incorporated in a way that allows what you're suggesting. It's a governing body for the sport, not a for profit company with shareholders.

I can't see someone being able to buy the assets of the FAI and just instantly become in charge of organising soccer in Ireland.

FixdePitchmark · 08-12-2019 11:13PM

jack presley wrote: »

FIFA don't allow government interference.

no choice .

so no international football if that is the case.

I do understand why it makes sense because every despot country like , Zimbabwe, Russia and Ireland would try take over soccer for the cash.

Undoubtedly they do in them countries, we need Delaney in there to pull of such a secret deal.

MrMusician18 · 08-12-2019 11:25PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

By the way I know the figures look shocking.

But has the reality of the actual value of organisation being lost in the blow out ?

the returns are potentially excellent
they have a stake in a stadium that in current climate you couldn't afford location or cost to build , why was there an obsession with paying it off so quickly?
In theory the team is on an upward trend
the team has fantastic sponsorship potential
outrageously loyal fan base
they have incredible access to the cash cow events and tv rights

if it was a soccer team in any domestic league a dragon would love a punt.

I'd imagine a few people see a potential take over if that is possible internationally.

Kind of mad space, government should nationalise it if possible.

Lol.
That's up there along with that Irish superfan that they had on RTE suggesting that the government run a referendum on Roy returning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEitwow6M6s

secman · 08-12-2019 11:27PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

By the way I know the figures look shocking.

But has the reality of the actual value of organisation being lost in the blow out ?

the returns are potentially excellent
they have a stake in a stadium that in current climate you couldn't afford location or cost to build , why was there an obsession with paying it off so quickly?
In theory the team is on an upward trend
the team has fantastic sponsorship potential
outrageously loyal fan base
they have incredible access to the cash cow events and tv rights

if it was a soccer team in any domestic league a dragon would love a punt.

I'd imagine a few people see a potential take over if that is possible internationally.

Kind of mad space, government should nationalise it if possible.

Their "stake " in the stadium is a leasehold only to share it, not sure for how long, must google the length of the lease. Googled it

Ultimately IRFU own the stadium, they have leased it out to a joint adventure company involving FAI and IRFU for a period of 60 years, it then reverts to IRFU as The owners.
The FAI only have a shared leasehold interest for another 50 years. Im sure the smarts of IRFU have clauses inserted about whether the FAI are able to sell their leashoold interest, amazed if they dont.

FixdePitchmark · 08-12-2019 11:29PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Lol.
That's up there along with that Irish superfan that they had on RTE suggesting that the government run a referendum on Roy returning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEitwow6M6s

it isn't really.

There are no alternatives at present and only this evening the government bypassed the FAI .

effectively we are nationalising (today) as government providing direct funding.

Zebra3 · 08-12-2019 11:40PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

This is a complex one and getting a bit philosophical.

but is it not fair to say most (90%) of staff knew the FAI was a corrupt organisation? The dogs on the street did.
Nobody believed it would end well, the only surprise was how long .

We are hearing more and more how you were pushed out if you didn't buy into the Delaney way.

I'd have more respect for people who were forced out , left or wouldn't work in that regime.

I know above is very harsh and moralistic, but fundamentally this is a moral and ethical issue. Fans wouldn't go to games and they found that very hard.

Plenty of very average people have fairly high moral and ethical standards.

There was a sizeable amount of people in the organisation taking the soup.

There’s a lot of members of SIPTU in the FAI who were fighting hard against Delaney.

Many love their jobs and walking away would have given him more control. Delaney would’ve been a happy man if they’d disappeared.

The average employee in the FAI didn’t know about Delaney’s secret contracts but I can tell you for sure that journos were being fed from people inside.

Oat23 · 09-12-2019 12:07AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The FAI is broke, there is nothing to take to the cleaners, the money is gone.

No it isn't. UEFA do not pay out prize money until June when their competitions end. Peak6 are an investment group and they aren't going to to stand by and let UEFA hand that €1.2m+ over to the FAI if it will disappear overnight. They'll get their money.

FixdePitchmark · 09-12-2019 12:08AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

There’s a lot of members of SIPTU in the FAI who were fighting hard against Delaney.

Many love their jobs and walking away would have given him more control. Delaney would’ve been a happy man if they’d disappeared.

The average employee in the FAI didn’t know about Delaney’s secret contracts but I can tell you for sure that journos were being fed from people inside.

Did the staff know he was corrupt?

It took a long time to nail him , if there was revolt going on , how long is he there ?

look , undoubtedly what your saying is true. But he has to have had a sizeable support and network in there who helped him , kept him in there and were in on the act.

Including people even at lower levels who were blindly faithful like he was some sort of cult leader.

MrMusician18 · 09-12-2019 12:11AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

it isn't really.

There are no alternatives at present and only this evening the government bypassed the FAI .

effectively we are nationalising (today) as government providing direct funding.

The FAI is a private sporting organisation and it is run by a management committee in accordance with the the rules of it's constitution within the boundaries of the law. Because it's teams play in green and call themselves Republic of Ireland doesn't mean that the government has any duty to save them.

The FAI sought sporting grants for specific programmes and got them. Now, it doesn't have the confidence of government in it's ability to deliver those programmes, so government is making alternative arrangements.

09-12-2019 12:28AM

Oat23 wrote: »

No it isn't. UEFA do not pay out prize money until June when their competitions end. Peak6 are an investment group and they aren't going to to stand by and let UEFA hand that €1.2m+ over to the FAI if it will disappear overnight. They'll get their money.

Oh they should get their money alright, as should all clubs, and one presumes the Minister will step in to ensure that money is correctly allocated. But again talk of taking the FAI to the cleaners is wide of the mark, that's only passing on money from another. The FAI cannot and will not give another cent beyond what UEFA give, they can't, they're broke.

FixdePitchmark · 09-12-2019 12:38AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The FAI is a private sporting organisation and it is run by a management committee in accordance with the the rules of it's constitution within the boundaries of the law. Because it's teams play in green and call themselves Republic of Ireland doesn't mean that the government has any duty to save them.

The FAI sought sporting grants for specific programmes and got them. Now, it doesn't have the confidence of government in it's ability to deliver those programmes, so government is making alternative arrangements.

The government dont give money directly to sporting organisations, in fact government rarely provide direct provision to anything.

what the Government is doing is fairly bad governance and purchasing procedure.

There is no way that Ross has had the time to study the efficiency of sending money to Community Development Officers.

in fact considering our record of localised investment by ministers , It is fairly shocking he can put this together so quick.

Seems fairly extreme measures for mad times.

FAI are finished by the looks. Unless someone one like DOB steps in again.

MrMusician18 · 09-12-2019 12:40AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh they should get their money alright, as should all clubs, and one presumes the Minister will step in to ensure that money is correctly allocated. But again talk of taking the FAI to the cleaners is wide of the mark, that's only passing on money from another. The FAI cannot and will not give another cent beyond what UEFA give, they can't, they're broke.

What has this got to do with the minister? The department isn't involved in the allocation of prize monies, that's entirely a private matter between UEFA, the FAI and the club involved.

Were UEFA to pay the FAI prize money and the FAI went bust whilst it had that money in it's possession, the LOI clubs would have to get in line like every other unsecured creditor behind Revenue, the secured creditors etc. They'd be lucky to get cents on the euro if that happened.

09-12-2019 12:49AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What has this got to do with the minister? The department isn't involved in the allocation of prize monies, that's entirely a private matter between UEFA, the FAI and the club involved.

Were UEFA to pay the FAI prize money and the FAI went bust whilst it had that money in it's possession, the LOI clubs would have to get in line like every other unsecured creditor behind Revenue, the secured creditors etc. They'd be lucky to get cents on the euro if that happened.

Oh I completely agree. I was responding to the suggestion that one club has very rich owners that would take the FAI to the cleaners. The FAI is broke, there is no money, there will be no big payday if the FAI mess around. The absolute most a club can hope for is to get what UEFA has allocated for them anyway. You're correct about unsecured creditors, but I'd be surprised if UEFA pays out in situations where it could just go into a general fund for all creditors.

Zebra3 · 09-12-2019 02:30AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Did the staff know he was corrupt?

It took a long time to nail him , if there was revolt going on , how long is he there ?

look , undoubtedly what your saying is true. But he has to have had a sizeable support and network in there who helped him , kept him in there and were in on the act.

Including people even at lower levels who were blindly faithful like he was some sort of cult leader.

The FAI is filled with elected officials from the clubs, leagues and regional associations, etc.

Delaney was not answerable to the vast majority of employees within the FAI. Hence why he savagely cut their wages.

You should do a bit of reading up before you start spouting any more shyte.

FixdePitchmark · 09-12-2019 07:00AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

The FAI is filled with elected officials from the clubs, leagues and regional associations, etc.

Delaney was not answerable to the vast majority of employees within the FAI. Hence why he savagely cut their wages.

You should do a bit of reading up before you start spouting any more shyte.

you can't read about that question, It is about the atmosphere and culture in the FAI. You'd have to be involved or part of change process.

Did people in the FAI know john Delaney was corrupt?

on pay cuts , there was hardly a person who didn't take a pay cut or worse in the last 10 years in the country. That's hardly going to win hearts and minds , either is "shyte".
Your talking about an association fighting for it's very existence.

This John was the bad guy , look at him. Is not going to do.

Sorry that is "shyte".

If the FAI is going to survive, your talking far greater change than just John. Including cultural and the wider organisation.

09-12-2019 08:08PM

No post in over 12.hours. In that time, people have posted about Leeds, Newcastle, Aston Villa, presume dozens of times on the Liverpool and ManU threads, about a host of issues and incidents relating to the game in England and nothing about the biggest crisis to hit our own national association.

09-12-2019 08:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No post in over 12.hours. In that time, people have posted about Leeds, Newcastle, Aston Villa, presume dozens of times on the Liverpool and ManU threads, about a host of issues and incidents relating to the game in England and nothing about the biggest crisis to hit our own national association.

I think it’s because at this stage you resign yourself as to how this country works. Everyone in the FAI will remain, they’ll be bailed out, and they’ll continue to be on the take for years to come. What’s the point?

John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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