European Parliament Elections 2019

Blueshoe

Fann Linn wrote: »

Only if ye continue to vote. You can stop after '1'.

What reason would my vote for number 1 pass onto number 2?

Sawduck

road_high wrote: »

And who are the consumers of these “big evil companies”?

If you are referring to everyone who drives a car then well pretty much everyone, so you think we should all be punished

charlie14

Just Saying wrote: »

In Midlands NW the fascinating question is where the Smith/Casey/Rabbitte transfers will go.
It is likely that the 3 candidates requiring the transfers will be Mc Hugh/Walsh/Flanagan who are for varying reasons unlikely to pick up a big block of transfers from any of them.
If this is the case the key question will be how far ahead of Flanagan will Mc Hugh and Walsh be after the distribution of the MMcG surplus...If Walsh gets more than 50% of the surplus then Flanagan is in real trouble.

Smith/Casey/Rabbitte have 16% between them. If Walsh gets 60% of McGuinnesss surplus that will leave her on 13% but I cannot see her getting much from the other three. Mc Hugh will get some, but it would not surprise me to see Flanagan pick up the main bulk.

Larbre34

Blueshoe wrote: »

What stops my vote going to just number 1 and not being passed to number 2?

The immediate elimination of your No.2. If you haven't voted a No. 3, that becomes 'non transferable' and your vote is done.

Westernyelp

Blueshoe wrote: »

Well it's never been explained to me. As far as I see it if I pick someone then that's it. It can't be just given to someone else for whatever reason. As I said maybe I have that wrong

fair enough. your number 1 vote cant be given away. but if you put a number 2 for someone else. then that will be counted. if your number one has a surplus or gets eliminated.

L1011

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

If and when sitting TDs get elected to EUP, next up are the by elections I presume.

The only ones I can think of right now are Daly and Wallace. A match made in Strasbourg lol.

By election, but if certain people do get elected it could precipitate a general election. Fitzgerald for instance as it will further cut the tiny majority

Westernyelp

Larbre34 wrote: »

Decimated?

ah stahp!!

igCorcaigh

Blueshoe wrote: »

Well it's never been explained to me. As far as I see it if I pick someone then that's it. It can't be just given to someone else for whatever reason. As I said maybe I have that wrong

You have it wrong. Your vote will only go to who you vote for, but if they don't get elected (or have a surplus), then you can still choose who you want from the remaining candidates. And if then they don't get elected... And so on.

feel like there's a lot of interesting transfer patterns waiting to show up in dublin

Zubeneschamali

Fann Linn wrote: »

Only if ye continue to vote. You can stop after '1'.

Sure. Do that.


Everyone (but me) should do that.

Spanish Eyes

L1011 wrote: »

By election, but if certain people do get elected it could precipitate a general election. Fitzgerald for instance as it will further cut the tiny majority

Indeed, I forgot about Ms. Fitzgerald, if she gets a seat.

Could be an interesting knock on effect all round. But confidence and supply will carry on I reckon, FF will be invisible otherwise.

alan partridge aha

Francis is 70 in 15 months, talk about a retirement home.

Just Saying

charlie14 wrote: »

Smith/Casey/Rabbitte have 16% between them. If Walsh gets 60% of McGuinnesss surplus that will leave her on 13% but I cannot see her getting much from the other three. Mc Hugh will get some, but it would not surprise me to see Flanagan pick up the main bulk.

I would have thought Casey voters were highly unlikely to transfer to Flanagan in any great numbers.The FF vote might but will Walsh and Mc Hugh be far enough in front?
Also the sequence of events will be vital as it is very likely that Carthy will still not have reached the quota and many of these FF votes could be absorbed by him and leave Flanagan too far behind.

Blueshoe

Fair enough. Thanks for explaining. Guaranteed that many people don't really know either. In future I will only be picking a number 1 and nothing more

L1011

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Indeed, I forgot about Ms. Fitzgerald, if she gets a seat.

Could be an interesting knock on effect all round. But confidence and supply will carry on I reckon, FF will be invisible otherwise.

Priir to the exit poll, the possibility of losing Fitzgerald and Doyle looked real, plus Kelliher and smith on the c&s side. I was certain we were looking at an imminent GE.

igCorcaigh

Blueshoe wrote: »

Fair enough. Thanks for explaining. Guaranteed that many people don't really know either. In future I will only be picking a number 1 and nothing more

Would you not like to express a preference between the other candidates also?

Westernyelp

Blueshoe wrote: »

Fair enough. Thanks for explaining. Guaranteed that many people don't really know either. In future I will only be picking a number 1 and nothing more

Out of interest.is this your first time voting? or are you British?

charlie14

L1011 wrote: »

By election, but if certain people do get elected it could precipitate a general election. Fitzgerald for instance as it will further cut the tiny majority

Surprised at Fitzgerald`s vote. Thought she would have polled higher.

kippy

Blueshoe wrote: »

So no more holidays for joe soap. Anyone with a diesel screwed even more. A green version of fine Gael.

Do you think our suffering will keep the Chinese or Indians up at night. Guilt them into changing their ways.
Walking us into more taxes which will make absolutely no difference to the environment. There are no alternatives in Ireland.

Christ, the mind boggles, suggesting we are suffering relative to the people of China and India.....
We have to think and act more green no matter what others do. The greens aren't all bad.
The only issue for them is that they shouldn't and don't have a monopoly on a green agenda which other parties will work on.

blanch152

Sawduck wrote: »

Planes and cars ugh, can't they tax big companies who endanger the environment instead

I think the problem people have with the Greens is that they do focus on taxing carbon and things like cars and planes. A lot of people would prefer if politicians stuck with promising to tax unicorns and rainbows as most of the left do.

Zubeneschamali

Blueshoe wrote: »

Fair enough. Thanks for explaining. Guaranteed that many people don't really know either. In future I will only be picking a number 1 and nothing more

Yes. Do that and tell all your friends to do the same.

Blueshoe

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Would you not like to express a preference between the other candidates also?

Not really. I looked at today's list of faces and names and I didn't see anything I liked. I don't like or trust politicians and think society is so ingrained in its ways and direction that temporarily swapping the names around makes absolutely no difference in the long run.
Money and power runs the world. Not voters
Yet I always vote at every opportunity

seamus

Sawduck wrote: »

If you are referring to everyone who drives a car then well pretty much everyone, so you think we should all be punished

Punished? No. We should all be encouraged to think about living our lives in ways that are sustainable.

Such as being encouraged to not buy a massive car when all you do is drive it to work and the shops.

Thing is, at a population level, people are incapable of acting selflessly off their own bat. Left to the individual's own choice, people will choose what is most convenient for themselves at the expense of the planet, because "I can't make a difference anyway".

Differences are made in the large scale, but that's entirely dependent on everyone making an effort at the small scale; whether out of pure altruism or because it's the cheaper option.

If you choose to drive a larger vehicle and use your vehicle for all your journies without regard to whether you actually need to, then logically that should be far more inconvenient for you than buying a smaller car and leaving it at home when you could walk or cycle instead.

mickmackmcgoo

An Irish Times poll last week had Cuffe at 9% . Some jump in a week to around 23%.
If there is no brexit then the last seat in Dublin and in South won't actually get their seats anyway

igCorcaigh

Blueshoe wrote: »

Not really. I looked at today's list of faces and names and I didn't see anything I liked. I don't like or trust politicians and think society is so ingrained in its ways and direction that temporarily swapping the names around makes absolutely no difference in the long run.
Money and power runs the world. Not voters
Yet I always vote at every opportunity

I can understand! I tend to use the STV system to vote against rather than for. But only to a point. I would never give a vote to someone who goes against my core values.

Spanish Eyes

Blueshoe wrote: »

Fair enough. Thanks for explaining. Guaranteed that many people don't really know either. In future I will only be picking a number 1 and nothing more

It is both a complex (if you don't understand it fully), and relatively simple (if you are used to it) system.

It's a bit late to explain in full here, and most people are just following and commenting on the exit polls right now etc.

Why don't you open a separate thread asking for STV/PR system to be explained. I am sure many will help, and believe me you are not alone in not following it fully. There should be a lot more information given to prospective voters about this system I feel.

When you get a handle on it you will not stop at just a number 1 vote. It is great to be able to spread your vote. It also gives a much more accurate and fair result, resulting in the will of the voters being translated into votes for minority candidates in some instances.

This is the opposite of the FPTP system in places like UK. Don't give up!

grbear

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Whut?


Nobody, not FFs biggest fan, expected Rabbitte to win. She was just there to hoover up a few local votes and transfer preferences to Mr. Say Cheese.

3% still represents a failure on her part which pleases me. I'm in Galway East so the bar for TDs hasn't been set particularly high lately but she is by some distance the worst of the current shower. Hate the sight of her.

trixiebust

seamus wrote: »

Sawduck wrote: »

If you are referring to everyone who drives a car then well pretty much everyone, so you think we should all be punished

Punished? No. We should all be encouraged to think about living our lives in ways that are sustainable.

Such as being encouraged to not buy a massive car when all you do is drive it to work and the shops.

Thing is, at a population level, people are incapable of acting selflessly off their own bat. Left to the individual's own choice, people will choose what is most convenient for themselves at the expense of the planet, because "I can't make a difference anyway".

Differences are made in the large scale, but that's entirely dependent on everyone making an effort at the small scale; whether out of pure altruism or because it's the cheaper option.

If you choose to drive a larger vehicle and use your vehicle for all your journies without regard to whether you actually need to, then logically that should be far more inconvenient for you than buying a smaller car and leaving it at home when you could walk or cycle instead.

Sounds like you have been reading too much of that green party manifesto;)

ancapailldorcha

trixiebust wrote: »

Sounds like you have been reading too much of that green party manifesto;)

Serious discussion only please. One-liners are not welcome here.

AndrewJRenko

Sawduck wrote: »

If you are referring to everyone who drives a car then well pretty much everyone, so you think we should all be punished

If only there was some alternative to using cars for <2km journeys, like perhaps walking for 20 minutes or cycling for 10 minutes?


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/more-than-half-of-travellers-use-cars-for-journeys-under-2km-1.2303451