Garda and sunstrip and L plates problem

colm_mcm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Probably because they are required to be placed on the most vertical surface of the front and rear of the vehicle. On the vast majority of cars, the windscreen is the most vertical part of the front of a car which is large enough to accommodate an L/N plate.

And 99% of the L plates on sale are designed to go onto glass. It’s not like years ago when you could tie the, to the steel bumpers!

Isambard

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Probably because they are required to be placed on the most vertical surface of the front and rear of the vehicle. On the vast majority of cars, the windscreen is the most vertical part of the front of a car which is large enough to accommodate an L/N plate.

most bumpers would be big enough and really are at the front and back. I suspect that the glass is the easy option.

Eoinbmw

Mad idea but maybe invest in a decent set of sunglasses for driving!

1hnr79jr65

Could such a law be enforced by guards against a driving instructor when no learner on board? (L Plates)

Just curious how far enforcement of this law could go.

oleras

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

Could such a law be enforced by guards against a driving instructor when no learner on board? (L Plates)

Just curious how far enforcement of this law could go.

They dont usually have them affixed to the glass though.

PapaOscar

Taking L plates on and off depending whos driving, utter bolloxology.

OldMrBrennan83

GM228 wrote: »

There is none.

Then could be not be told to ram it? More diplomatically, of course.

GrumpyMe

PapaOscar wrote: »

Taking L plates on and off depending whos driving, utter bolloxology.

When drivers change you normally have to adjust mirrors and seat position. Whats the big deal about removing an L/N plate?

PapaOscar

GrumpyMe wrote: »

When drivers change you normally have to adjust mirrors and seat position. Whats the big deal about removing an L/N plate?

Because there is absolutley no need for it. Its a long time since ive had to use an L plate but they were not exactly easy to get off.

I know of nobody that takes L plates off when their misses or whoever is finished driving the car. When was this law brought in?

GrumpyMe

PapaOscar wrote: »

...not exactly easy to get off...

Now that's bolloxology! FFS

PapaOscar wrote: »

...I know of nobody that takes L plates off when their misses or whoever is finished driving the car...

Well you do now - me!

PapaOscar wrote: »

...When was this law brought in?...

From what was posted in the thread there is no law covering the non display. The law on keeping the windscreen clear of unnecessary clutter can/could be used to end up with the same result.

PapaOscar

GrumpyMe wrote: »

Now that's bolloxology! FFS



Well you do now - me!


From what was posted in the thread there is no law covering the non display. The law on keeping the windscreen clear of unnecessary clutter can/could be used to end up with the same result.

Gimme a break on the grammar im just finishing a 13 hour shift ha.

So theres no law that says you have to take L plates off, that makes sense. Its not practical. Im sure if it was that big of a deal it would be deemed unlawful not to do it.

GrumpyMe

PapaOscar wrote: »

Gimme a break on the grammar im just finishing a 13 hour shift ha.

So theres no law that says you have to take L plates off, that makes sense. Its not practical. Im sure if it was that big of a deal it would be deemed unlawful not to do it.

Nothing to do with grammar - you said it wasn't easy to take on and off L plates. Two strips of masking tape, plate on in +/- 5 seconds include walking round the other end of the vehicle and install second plate, 15 seconds total. Removal, all on 5 seconds to remove both. Big deal! :rolleyes:


Specific law on removal? It seems not, but law about obscuring view through windscreen will/would suffice!


There can be no rhyme nor reason for a licensed driver to use a vehicle with an L plate displayed. They must be displayed by learners to alert other road users.

Henry Ford III

Compliance can be inconvenient or a royal pain in the ass, but there are good reasons for it.

p.s. Please don't ask what these are, as even if everyone agreed one or more was silly we won't change them. Resistance is futile.

dr.fuzzenstein

yamaha4life wrote: »

it has just alloy wheels, no loud exhausts or window tints, its a small hatchback car i wouldnt like to post much more details online tbh

OP, it's a small hatchback with L plates, a visor strip and alloy wheels.
To some Gards this will scream "Fcuk Me!". Not your fault, just unfortunate.

yamaha4life

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

OP, it's a small hatchback with L plates, a visor strip and alloy wheels.
To some Gards this will scream "Fcuk Me!". Not your fault, just unfortunate.

i have since removed the sunstrip but i have been stopped on two occasions for nothing both gards beside manner left a lot to be desired

corks finest

Mint Sauce wrote: »

yamaha4life wrote: »

so i was on my way home the other day and there was a check point, i drove upto with no worried iv everything cover tax insurance ect, so the garda said are you a learner and i replyed no, to which he said why do you have L plates displayed, i told him i have a learner named on my car and we share it, to which he replyed that i shouldnt have them up while im driving. i never heard that before is that a new thing?

the next thing is ive a sun strip on the windscreen approx 6 inches long, he enquired why i have it i told him it keeps the sun out of my eyes and he replyed no its a sticker your not allowed to have any stickers on your windscreen quoted some law and told me that he will sieze the car next time he sees me with it.

fair enough there might be some law i dont know but is siezing the car not a bit excessive i couldnt belive it anyway seems they can sieze a car for anything nowadays

The L/N plates thing is nothing new. The Sunstrip, there is rules in regard to having certain parts of the windscreen un obscured. If the car is unsafe to drive say due to a Sunstrip taking up to much of the screen, then yes, it could be reason to seize.

Bit much though? Sun strip is only a few inches

corks finest

Mint Sauce wrote: »

yamaha4life wrote: »

so i was on my way home the other day and there was a check point, i drove upto with no worried iv everything cover tax insurance ect, so the garda said are you a learner and i replyed no, to which he said why do you have L plates displayed, i told him i have a learner named on my car and we share it, to which he replyed that i shouldnt have them up while im driving. i never heard that before is that a new thing?

the next thing is ive a sun strip on the windscreen approx 6 inches long, he enquired why i have it i told him it keeps the sun out of my eyes and he replyed no its a sticker your not allowed to have any stickers on your windscreen quoted some law and told me that he will sieze the car next time he sees me with it.

fair enough there might be some law i dont know but is siezing the car not a bit excessive i couldnt belive it anyway seems they can sieze a car for anything nowadays

The L/N plates thing is nothing new. The Sunstrip, there is rules in regard to having certain parts of the windscreen un obscured. If the car is unsafe to drive say due to a Sunstrip taking up to much of the screen, then yes, it could be reason to seize.

Bit much though? Sun strip is only a few inches

Del2005 wrote: »

Mint Sauce wrote: »

The L/N plates thing is nothing new. The Sunstrip, there is rules in regard to having certain parts of the windscreen un obscured. If the car is unsafe to drive say due to a Sunstrip taking up to much of the screen, then yes, it could be reason to seize.

Where's the legislation to remove the L or N plate when it's not required? All I know is that you have to display if you are a learner or novice, I know of no law which says that you can't display it when neither are driving.

Same

Spook_ie

Silly question but who in their right mind at the RSA approved an ad to put N plates on the front windscreen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEfmPnUlIQ4

The amount of visibility lost by positioning a sticker like that is just criminal IMO
I mean you get bits n pieces occasionally about not putting mobile phones, sat navs etc. in your vision zones and then blank out a 20x20 square!

colm_mcm

Saw a newish Fiesta with N and L plates vertically stacked on the front windscreen, top of passenger side, then imagined how much visibility I’d lose on my own car if I had them, not good, and the Fiesta is smaller than my car.

kirving

I just leave the novice plates on my car all the time, as my girlfriend who is insured on the car sometimes uses it.

I get treated noticeably worse on the road because of it.

The high horse brigade

Op, why don't you replace the visor with an L plate

Zatoichi

colm_mcm wrote: »

Saw a newish Fiesta with N and L plates vertically stacked on the front windscreen, top of passenger side, then imagined how much visibility I’d lose on my own car if I had them, not good, and the Fiesta is smaller than my car.

I've seen this quite a bit. I've also seen very small N plates about 5''x5'' ...don't know how legal they are.

liamog

Zatoichi wrote: »

I've seen this quite a bit. I've also seen very small N plates about 5''x5'' ...don't know how legal they are.

I call them Dutch cars, (NL) i do wonder how many cars are truly shared between 3 people, the novice, the learner and the non novice who is the fully licensed driver for the learner.

creedp

Spook_ie wrote: »

Silly question but who in their right mind at the RSA approved an ad to put N plates on the front windscreen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEfmPnUlIQ4

The amount of visibility lost by positioning a sticker like that is just criminal IMO
I mean you get bits n pieces occasionally about not putting mobile phones, sat navs etc. in your vision zones and then blank out a 20x20 square!

Better there than at bottom corner. Where else should it be placed? I can't understand why people put those 4 section disc holders on the bottom passengers side of windscreen, especially in some cars where the bottom of screen curves upwards, it really does badly obscure your visibility.

Isambard

creedp wrote: »

Better there than at bottom corner. Where else should it be placed? I can't understand why people put those 4 section disc holders on the bottom passengers side of windscreen, especially in some cars where the bottom of screen curves upwards, it really does badly obscure your visibility.

It's surely not beyond technology to come up with a disc and N/L plate display on top of the dash rather than on the glass.

creedp

Isambard wrote: »

It's surely not beyond technology to come up with a disc and N/L plate display on top of the dash rather than on the glass.

That may well be the case (best approach is probably ANPR type technology or an electronic tag something like used for tolls to store all necessary information) which would remove the need for any physical disc or plate on the car) but until those options are available placing the L or N plates on the top passenger side corner of the windscreen is probably as good as it gets.

dar83

colm_mcm wrote: »

Saw a newish Fiesta with N and L plates vertically stacked on the front windscreen, top of passenger side, then imagined how much visibility I’d lose on my own car if I had them, not good, and the Fiesta is smaller than my car.

The K11 Micra's with both L and N plates are my favourite. Literally takes up nearly a full third of the back window, not to mention the front! :pac:

alpahaeagle

What gets me is when I see a car with either or both the Nor the L plates stuck to the car either upside down or roated by 90 degress...


Sorry if you are unable to place an N or L plate correctly on the car then you should not be driving.


I am sorry to say that the N+L plates should not be on disply when there is neither a Leaner or novice not driving. The stickers come off easily and its just pain lazy to leave them on.