Sisters wanting sites

Emme

Donald Trump wrote: »

Most of the decent farms and estates were owned by Protestant Ascendancy. The Catholic Irish had the marginal land and smaller plots.

Some Protestants were just tenant farmers on Ascendancy estates. They weren't all Ascendancy.

Donald Trump wrote: »

The splitting of smaller Catholic farms and lands during that time period was down to rules that Catholics had to necessarily divide their farms up like that.

The Penal laws were very harsh. Catholics were not allowed outbuildings so had to keep any stock they had in the house with them.

Donald Trump wrote: »

Unless of course one son converted to Protestantism. In which case he could get it all.

I don't know. I think the rest of the family would kill him first.

Donald Trump

Emme wrote: »

Some Protestants were just tenant farmers on Ascendancy estates. They weren't all Ascendancy.

Not trying to be argumentative, but I never said that they were. Saying that most of the big farms of good land were owned by the Protestant Ascendancy is not the same as saying that all Protestants were in the ascendancy or all protestants owned big farms.

Alrigghtythen

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Very little as we were building up a herd at the time. Any shortfall was made up by my parents and paid back by me when I sold my surplus stock.

So you already owned land to keep the stock on. Or where you paying back the shortfall for education & land rent, fodder etc?

Bass Reeves

Addle wrote: »

Sure isn't it the children of farmers that get all the grants towards their 3rd level education??? What are the parents supposedly forking out for?

Most farmers work and farm nowadays. Like myself they will have to pay to put there children through college. I have put two through and in the process of putting the third through. Total cost in the region of 100K

Buford T. Justice XIX

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

So you already owned land to keep the stock on. Or where you paying back the shortfall for education & land rent, fodder etc?

Jaysus, Michael D wasn't getting as many questions:D

No land owned then. Did whatever was needed since I was old enough to block a gap, like every other farmers child.


Every birthday, communion, confirmation, everything used to buy calves and they were left run with the parents which my work on the farm paid for. They were sold as needed and more bought again with half the returns. Milked, fenced, spread fertiliser, whatever was in need of doing as soon as I was old enough to do it in return for the keep of my stock.


Bought my first car myself and taxed and insured it myself. Spent every spring after college going out as the driver and driving home at 2 or 3 in the morning and checking cows/sheep every single night. Spent my college years coming home every second weekend to dose/fence/milk/spray/ whatever else needed doing and every summer working at home and getting odd jobs wherever I could and paid in calves where possible.


My first year in college was tight because the price of my stock had dropped so I didn't have the cash flow to pay my fees so I borrowed from my parents for 6 months until I could sell at a reasonable price.


So, to be perfectly honest, I worked damn hard for 20 years on this farm before it was handed over while my siblings had a rather comfortable life of sleepins, holidays and funding a good life style mainly on the back of my hard work in conjunction with my parents.



And now I'm told here that they deserve sites on the farm? There's some whiff of entitlement off some here and, as far as I'm concerned, they can sod right off!

Dinzee Conlee

Some of my siblings have built houses on the home farm.

I was left an out farm, i got it before one of my sisters had decided to come home...
When she expressed an interest in coming home, I offered her a site on the farm if she wanted it...

I think it would be a disservice to not offer - I know the people that came before me, would have loved to see us all coming back and living at home...

It’s easy to talk though, when all my family get on reasonably well.

I would also add everything should be talked through.
Me and my siblings were all summoned around the kitchen table one day, and the question was asked what would everyone like to see in our parents will...
It was discussed and agreed, and everyone knew what was happening... it changed a bit over the years, but all changes were discussed and agreed together...

Alrigghtythen

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Jaysus, Michael D wasn't getting as many questions:D

No land owned then. Did whatever was needed since I was old enough to block a gap, like every other farmers child.


Every birthday, communion, confirmation, everything used to buy calves and they were left run with the parents which my work on the farm paid for. They were sold as needed and more bought again with half the returns. Milked, fenced, spread fertiliser, whatever was in need of doing as soon as I was old enough to do it in return for the keep of my stock.


Bought my first car myself and taxed and insured it myself. Spent every spring after college going out as the driver and driving home at 2 or 3 in the morning and checking cows/sheep every single night. Spent my college years coming home every second weekend to dose/fence/milk/spray/ whatever else needed doing and every summer working at home and getting odd jobs wherever I could and paid in calves where possible.


My first year in college was tight because the price of my stock had dropped so I didn't have the cash flow to pay my fees so I borrowed from my parents for 6 months until I could sell at a reasonable price.


So, to be perfectly honest, I worked damn hard for 20 years on this farm before it was handed over while my siblings had a rather comfortable life of sleepins, holidays and funding a good life style mainly on the back of my hard work in conjunction with my parents.



And now I'm told here that they deserve sites on the farm? There's some whiff of entitlement off some here and, as far as I'm concerned, they can sod right off!

You started with:

Did whatever was needed since I was old enough to block a gap, like every other farmers child.

And ended with:

while my siblings had a rather comfortable life of sleepins, holidays and funding a good life style mainly on the back of my hard work in conjunction with my parents.

Every other farmers child, except your siblings whose holidays you funded. I'd say more your parents, if you were full time in college home every second weekend.

And now I'm told here that they deserve sites on the farm? There's some whiff of entitlement off some here and, as far as I'm concerned, they can sod right off!

blackbox

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

So, to be perfectly honest, I worked damn hard for 20 years on this farm before it was handed over while my siblings had a rather comfortable life of sleepins, holidays and funding a good life style mainly on the back of my hard work in conjunction with my parents.


And now I'm told here that they deserve sites on the farm? There's some whiff of entitlement off some here and, as far as I'm concerned, they can sod right off!

Were you not properly paid for the work you did over the 20 years? If not, why not?

memorystick

blackbox wrote: »

Were you not properly paid for the work you did over the 20 years? If not, why not?

Do you not understand what it's like to be a young farmer?

patnor1011

So... If I understand correctly to qualify as a proper farmer parent I should enslave my oldest son and work him to the brink of suicide while I am expected to pay for universities and holidays of other children. They also should not lift a finger as they are going to get nothing and should sod off when my time will come?

What century are we living in right now?

bosallagh88

blackbox wrote: »

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

So, to be perfectly honest, I worked damn hard for 20 years on this farm before it was handed over while my siblings had a rather comfortable life of sleepins, holidays and funding a good life style mainly on the back of my hard work in conjunction with my parents.



And now I'm told here that they deserve sites on the farm? There's some whiff of entitlement off some here and, as far as I'm concerned, they can sod right off!

Were you not properly paid for the work you did over the 20 years? If not, why not?

I’d say there wouldn’t be too many young farmers “properly paid” for the work they do on the farm often on family farms the money is simply not there to pay wages

bosallagh88

bosallagh88 wrote: »

blackbox wrote: »

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

So, to be perfectly honest, I worked damn hard for 20 years on this farm before it was handed over while my siblings had a rather comfortable life of sleepins, holidays and funding a good life style mainly on the back of my hard work in conjunction with my parents.



And now I'm told here that they deserve sites on the farm? There's some whiff of entitlement off some here and, as far as I'm concerned, they can sod right off!

Were you not properly paid for the work you did over the 20 years? If not, why not?

I’d say there wouldn’t be too many young farmers “properly paid” for the work they do on the farm often on family farms the money is simply not there to pay wages

The problem with family farms is other siblings and in-laws want there share after contributing very little if anything over the years. Greed often takes over and these plots of land will more than likely be sold especially if there is three families involved which further complicates the situation

Alrigghtythen

bosallagh88 wrote: »

The problem with family farms is other siblings and in-laws want there share after contributing very little if anything over the years. Greed often takes over and these plots of land will more than likely be sold especially if there is three families involved which further complicates the situation

Someone who blocks their parents doing what they want with their land is greedy.

Someone who has 200 of their parents land and refuses to give 0.75 acre to their sibling is greedy.

All you can hope for is that the family house is on the farm and when the siblings are left it they sell it to the biggest scumbag going who will never give the farmer a moments peace.

K.G.

i blame the media.they brought out this notion of" love" and now you have guysmarrying for"love" instead of the old system of matchmaking where if she didnt have enough money to buy in there was no wedding.if we went back to that system she should have brought enough to pay out the sisters so tis the poster is actually at fault.problem solved.feck the love.that dont last either.btw a surveywas done a bit ago which found that in farms where net worth was decreasing 7out if 10had children in third level.also the ones the have the hand for a site are not the type that will look after you in your old age.

Emme

K.G. wrote: »

i blame the media.they brought out this notion of" love" and now you have guysmarrying for"love" instead of the old system of matchmaking where if she didnt have enough money to buy in there was no wedding.if we went back to that system she should have brought enough to pay out the sisters so tis the poster is actually at fault.problem solved.feck the love.that dont last either.btw a surveywas done a bit ago which found that in farms where net worth was decreasing 7out if 10had children in third level.also the ones the have the hand for a site are not the type that will look after you in your old age.

Why do you think farmers always liked to marry nurses and teachers? Love is all very well but she has to be a good laying hen. Farmers tend to marry women with good jobs.

Several people are mentioning the welfare of parents in their old age. Well in the old days that issue was addressed when the parents kept one child (usually a girl) at home to look after them. That child was prevented from having an education, taking a job that would interfere with her family duties, marrying or having any life of her own. Perhaps if one of the sisters took on that role the OP might think she deserves a site. Then again the sister who looked after the parents was often forgotten about when the parents died and the son got everything and she had to go looking for a job without qualifications. The local lunatic asylum was often the only place to put her so the farm could be kept intact.

Bullocks

K.G. wrote: »

i blame the media.they brought out this notion of" love" and now you have guysmarrying for"love" instead of the old system of matchmaking where if she didnt have enough money to buy in there was no wedding.if we went back to that system she should have brought enough to pay out the sisters so tis the poster is actually at fault.problem solved.feck the love.that dont last either.btw a surveywas done a bit ago which found that in farms where net worth was decreasing 7out if 10had children in third level.also the ones the have the hand for a site are not the type that will look after you in your old age.

True love is only a fantasy sure

K.G.

Emme wrote: »

K.G. wrote: »

i blame the media.they brought out this notion of" love" and now you have guysmarrying for"love" instead of the old system of matchmaking where if she didnt have enough money to buy in there was no wedding.if we went back to that system she should have brought enough to pay out the sisters so tis the poster is actually at fault.problem solved.feck the love.that dont last either.btw a surveywas done a bit ago which found that in farms where net worth was decreasing 7out if 10had children in third level.also the ones the have the hand for a site are not the type that will look after you in your old age.

Why do you think farmers always liked to marry nurses and teachers? Love is all very well but she has to be a good laying hen. Farmers tend to marry women with good jobs.

Several people are mentioning the welfare of parents in their old age. Well in the old days that issue was addressed when the parents kept one child (usually a girl) at home to look after them. That child was prevented from having an education, taking a job that would interfere with her family duties, marrying or having any life of her own. Perhaps if one of the sisters took on that role the OP might think she deserves a site. Then again the sister who looked after the parents was often forgotten about when the parents died and the son got everything and she had to go looking for a job without qualifications. The local lunatic asylum was often the only place to put her so the farm could be kept intact.

or why do ambtious women go for men with large assets.😆

Lady Haywire

K.G. wrote: »

or why do ambtious women go for men with large assets.��

To be fair, there's a lot of ambitious farming men looking for women with large assets too :pac::D

mf240

Was it peirce Morgan that asked a young lady about her much older husband in an interview. "what first attracted you to the elderly billionaire"

mf240

K.G. wrote: »

i blame the media.they brought out this notion of" love" and now you have guysmarrying for"love" instead of the old system of matchmaking where if she didnt have enough money to buy in there was no wedding.if we went back to that system she should have brought enough to pay out the sisters so tis the poster is actually at fault.problem solved.feck the love.that dont last either.btw a surveywas done a bit ago which found that in farms where net worth was decreasing 7out if 10had children in third level.also the ones the have the hand for a site are not the type that will look after you in your old age.

:D legendary

Pelvis

Non-farmer here. I've worked near 20 years in the private sector now, and do you know what I am entitled to? A salary. Just working for that salary doesn't entitle me to 200 acres of land, a site, or a home.

Seems some need to take stock and realise what's being gifted to them on a plate.

ganmo

Pelvis wrote: »

Non-farmer here. I've worked near 20 years in the private sector now, and do you know what I am entitled to? A salary. Just working for that salary doesn't entitle me to 200 acres of land, a site, or a home.

Seems some need to take stock and realise what's being gifted to them on a plate.

that phrase is really starting to annoy me.


for the rest of your point, its kind of missing where the argument was going, let me spell it out for you.

children helping(working) on the farm rarely get paid anything so inheriting the farm is their payment. i just did some rough calculations based on a typical experience, 5 hours pw averaged over the year for 20 year @€;12 ph =€60k.

no family business that i know don't pay family if they're working regularly

Pelvis

ganmo wrote: »

that phrase is really starting to annoy me.


for the rest of your point, its kind of missing where the argument was going, let me spell it out for you.

children helping(working) on the farm rarely get paid anything so inheriting the farm is their payment. i just did some rough calculations based on a typical experience, 5 hours pw averaged over the year for 20 year @€;12 ph =€60k.

no family business that i know don't pay family if they're working regularly

5 hours per week and in return you get 200 acres, a home and a livelihood.

60k for 200 acres, a home, and a livelihood. Less than 40k if you take away the tax that should have been paid.

God love ya, that's just terrible. Practically slave labour!! Someone should notify the authorities.

ganmo

Pelvis wrote: »

5 hours per week and in return you get 200 acres, a home and a livelihood.

60k for 200 acres, a home, and a livelihood. Less than 40k if you take away the tax that should have been paid.

God love ya, that's just terrible. Practically slave labour!! Someone should notify the authorities.

5 hours pw as a child

Pelvis

ganmo wrote: »

5 hours pw as a child

I had to do chores as a child. Maybe two hours per week, how many acres would that get me?

Parishlad

mf240 wrote: »

Was it peirce Morgan that asked a young lady about her much older husband in an interview. "what first attracted you to the elderly billionaire"

There's a famous one with Mrs Merton (Caroline Aherne) when she interviewed Debbie McGee...“So what first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?”

beauf

ganmo wrote: »

....no family business that i know don't pay family if they're working regularly...

Lots of people work for their parents for years for little or nothing. Probably why most of them quit. A lot probably only get paid eventually because the tax man comes looking.

Its not just farming.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

You started with:





And ended with:



Every other farmers child, except your siblings whose holidays you funded. I'd say more your parents, if you were full time in college home every second weekend.

Aye, my parents worked hard. On their own while I was away because my siblings found the work too 'distasteful'.


So if there was work needing doing, it had to wait until I came home to do it as the rest were 'discovering themselves'. I'll leave it up to yourself to decide what they actually found while out searching.


My parents were well used to work but a bit directionless, which is no criticism of them, it was just the way they were. So I was in charge of the direction while studying every second weekend and farming the other and sorting stuff for the next two weeks while at home. We enjoyed working together so it wasn't a great hardship. The rest had the option to arise from their slumbers at any moment that suited them but sleeping in and enjoying themselves seemed a higher priority.

Emme

Lady Haywire wrote: »

To be fair, there's a lot of ambitious farming men looking for women with large assets too :pac::D

Large assets in this case doesn't mean good childbearing hips but they can be useful when it comes to bearing strong sons

Buford T. Justice XIX

blackbox wrote: »

Were you not properly paid for the work you did over the 20 years? If not, why not?

I was properly paid, just deferred for a good number of years. Farming is looking at the long term, not the quick fix of living it up now. Deferred income is the reality of farming.